Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

[elfismiles]

Aw man ... I'd not heard about Miller's passing. Dang.

Was just about to post about Budd's death when I found your post.

Other recent Fortean obits:

Mind Scientist Helmut Schmidt Dies
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/schmidt-obit/

Bob Girard of Arcturus Books Has Died
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/girard-obit/

I remember with much fondness, reading Girard's Arcturus Books catalog/zine.

THE PROUST OF UFOs
...

Bob Girard is an American institution. He is possibly the best book dealer in America for the kind of material of interest to all Combat Diary Viewers.

http://www.combat-diaries.co.uk/diary26 ... uslink.htm

Very Funny UFO Book Review

After writing about the often hilarious reviews that Robert Girard used to publish in his Arcturus Books catalog, I found a copy of one of his best. It still makes me giggle uncontrollably.

Haley, Leah. Ceto’s New Friends. Greenleaf, 1994. 8 1/2 x 11 HC, 32pp.

My jaw dropped so far down when I saw this that my belly button hurt for a week (though it might have been a sinking feeling in the pit of my gut causing the pain, I admit). This is a book for ultra-young readers by abductee/author Leah Haley (Lost was the Key). It has a total of 281 words in the text. It’s apparent intention is to introduce toddlers to alien abductions early (say, age 3 or so), before they find out the hard way — later in life — via trauma, ruined lives, etc., and to make the introduction a friendly one, in which the toddlers apply their innate trust in all things and all beings to the very monsters who are going to stick long needles into their bellies, ram huge contraptions up their behinds, empty their brains, make them pregnant and then rip out the fetuses, cut them, scrape them, inflict unspeakable pain on them and tell them (if anything at all) ‘it is necessary that we do this.’

Of course, none of those things ever happen to the two tykes in the book — and that’s what strikes me as being the ultimate Big Lie that one could ever inflict upon a totally impressionable mind: the idea that the greys are our friends. Sorry folks — I think it’s a bad idea to fill tiny little heads with Santa Claus just because you want to see ‘em glow with happy anticipation around Christmastime. It’s bad to stuff Jesus, heaven and hell into all-trusting minds. And it’s certainly bad to lie to infants about alien interaction with humans.This is the most unfortunate development in UFOlogy in many years, certain to create numerous traumas of it’s own for some of it’s innocent little readers — as they find out first hand what the greys really do with humans. This book is an appalling artifact — we recommend it only for extremely open-minded adults. Keep it locked up like you keep your handguns locked up, so that the kiddies don’t blow their heads off. $18.95

As I said in the previous post, Girard repudiated his review soon after publication in the his catalog. Too bad. Based on the review, I purchased a copy from Arcturus, and it still sits on the top shelf of my UFO book collection.

http://www.ufomystic.com/2008/06/13/fun ... ok-review/

Book Review

by Robert Girard
in the Arcturus Book Catalog (July 2000)

Dolan, Richard. UFOs and the National Security State: An Unclassified History. Volume One: 1941 to 1973. Keyhole Publishing, 2000. Trade softcover. 499 pages, extensive notes, bibliog. index. First of a projected 2-volume set (second volume a long way off). If you are old enough (as is your cataloguer) to have been fascinated by flying saucers almost from Day One, then you must surely long for the innocent early days of ufology, days when strange glowing craft zoomed through our skies, easily out-performing any kind of human pursuit craft. No landings (to speak of), no UFOnauts or greys (until 1954), no abductions (yet), and most mercifully, none of the sociopathic paranoia which has today truly killed off whatever public interest there may once have been in ufology. Interest in the early UFO titles is probably higher today than it was at the time their publishers had to reprint the popular books time and again to satisfy the reading public's demand. But apart from public fascination, and despite government assurances to the contrary, there was much serious concern at the highest levels of the U.S. government over national security. It was evident immediately that whatever the flying discs were, they were first and foremost incredibly advanced over any military aircraft of the time. Furthermore, the cold war was raging then, and nobody could rest easy when the possibility of a Soviet or Chinese origin for the saucers could not be dismissed out of hand. UFOS AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE is both a history of the "life and times" of early saucering, and a critical study of how the U.S. government (and others) reacted to the challenge of an unidentified aerial presence in Earthly skies, with respect to the potential threat to our national security implicit in the saucers' capabilities. It will surprise no one at all today to be told that the U.S. government was certainly far more worried about UFOs than they let on to the public -- after all, we expect that of desk-trapped government bureaucrats. But the History involved here -- that's the real beauty of this book. If you weren't there at Day One--if your own interest in ufology dates only from the abduction period beginning in the 1970s, you really must read this book!! We've said it a zillion times in these catalogs: You will not comprehend the UFO scene today unless you acquire a solid knowledge of the beginnings of the modern UFO Age. Whether or not you agree with the author's version of UFO history is irrelevant (somebody somewhere will immediately start to nit-pick something in these pages). The important thing is to get that history under your belt. It will surely cause you to re-think your present opinions about ufology--and any time you re-think something, you have improved upon it.

http://keyholepublishing.com/Arcturus%2 ... review.htm

Couple of UFO deaths to report:

From Paul Kimball's blog: "Stuart Miller, former publisher of UFO Review (you can find a link to an old issue here) and Alien Worlds Magazine, and long-time contributor to UFO Updates and Errol Bruce-Knapp's radio show Strange Days Indeed, was killed in a tragic motorcycle accident in May....If I have a problem with Stuart, it’s that he's too modest (all of it genuine) about his own role in ufology. UFO Review is one of the best places to go for a comprehensive summary of the news of the day in the world of the paranormal, and his bi-monthly e-zine of the same name, which usually exceeds a hundred pages of content, is a must-read. His monthly UK reports on the Strange Days… Indeed radio show are always a good listen, and he’s to be commended for having the guts to put on a UFO conference at a time when attendance for conferences is down across the board. In short, he’s an important person within ufology, and makes, in his own way, a very significant and worthwhile contribution."

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2011/08/stuart-miller-rip.html

I always found Stuart's writing to be smart, funny, and very grounded. He seemed to be pulling away from the UFO scene recently after his Alien Worlds magazine wasn't able to thrive.

Today the news comes of Budd Hopkins' death on Sunday, after several weeks of hospice care.

http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/inside.html

[DrVolin]

I may be very naive on this, but I am not too optimisitic about the level of the secret technology. My understanding is that the development of space planes was essentially shelved in 1960 (as the X15 was coming online) in favour of the brute force approach needed to lift astronauts to the moon. It was thought that space plane development would be too slow to generate a manned lunar mission in a reasonable time frame. As a result, resources were sunk into the Saturn V at the expense of the more sophisticated X planes. Basically, NASA elected to explode the austronauts into space sooner, rather then fly them there in a civilized way later.

When Reagan was elected, the US diverted massive amounts of resources into the death race with the USSR, and the space program was essentially abandoned, leaving the shuttles to their own devices and critical systems failures. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the americans have been satistified with preserving the capacity to put spy satellites into orbit, which really doesn't require very elegant instruments. Meanwhile, the Chinese are happy with lifting satellite killing, minimally guided proximity charges and ballistic volkswagen sized city block obliterating chunks of concrete. The Russians are just happy to operate their mercenary space bus service and the French are endlessly fixing the latest glitch that keeps blowing up their Arianes.

Still, if we are just slightly ahead of the X15 now, that is pretty amazing. But if we had continued in that direction for 50 years (yikes!) instead of all these diversions, we'd have regular passenger service to Mars Colony by now.

[Searcher08]

After watching the Paul Kimball doc called Best Evidence, I was very curious to find that guy who ran the legendary Lockheed 'Skunk Works' had a UFO sighting which was also sighted by a plane that colleagues of his were on, which followed it. There was a report made that the Air Force dismissed as a 'lenticular cloud'. (*)
This was from the creme de la creme of MIC research - who later developed the SR 71. Look though at how long that was in service - decades! The idea of a secret program consuming vast amounts of money that was not connected to companies like Lockheed seems very odd.

So maybe some interesting questions are - where might the money actually be going if not bigger and better military tech? what is being created inside the black projects? and who controls them if not the big corporates like Lockheed?








(*)LOLWUT

[operator kos]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson in this video makes a seemingly ignorantly dismissive comment about UFOs generally, but he also has some rather interesting and even poignant things to say about life in the universe:

[Joe Hillshoist]

That was an awesome talk okos, cheers.

I think there are a fair few assumtpions he hasn't questioned, but its still much food for thought.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Hey Dr. Volin, I know this reply is seriously late, but thanks for answering my question about the Spielberg/Reagan anecdote. Still don't really know what to make of it. Like most things.

Thanks very much for those links, Ahab. I had heard of that very strange incident but never seen that fascinating three-part 30-minute documentary film.

I reckoned nobody else would've seen it. I think it was only shown once on STV in the early/mid 2000s - I remember watching it on TV at the time, but can't remember exactly when. Bob Taylor died in 2007, and I don't think it was made very many years before his death.

It is amazing the lengths some people will go to in insisting that there's nothing they cannot explain - even when that "explanation" involves postulating (without any supporting evidence whatsoever and against all the actually available evidence) a unique "astronomical mirage" PLUS a once-in-a-lifetime epileptic fit PLUS a team of mysterious scrap-metal hoarders armed with giant pickaxes.

Being a bit of a nuts-and-boltser even when dealing with counter-theories, I especially loved the idea that Bob Taylor had accidentally ingested belladonna while out working with his dog, thus causing a hallucination of the craft and the attack:

Belladonna is one of the most toxic plants found in the Western hemisphere. All parts of the plant contain tropane alkaloids.[12] The berries pose the greatest danger to children because they look attractive and have a somewhat sweet taste.[9] The consumption of two to five berries by children and ten to twenty berries by adults can be lethal. The root of the plant is generally the most toxic part, though this can vary from one specimen to another. Ingestion of a single leaf of the plant can be fatal to an adult.[12]

The active agents in Belladonna, atropine, hyoscine (scopolamine), and hyoscyamine, have anticholinergic properties.[13][14] The symptoms of belladonna poisoning include dilated pupils, sensitivity to light, blurred vision, tachycardia, loss of balance, staggering, headache, rash, flushing, dry mouth and throat, slurred speech, urinary retention, constipation, confusion, hallucinations, delirium, and convulsions.[13][15][16] In 2009, atropa belladonna that was mistaken for blueberries with six berries ingested by an adult woman was documented to result in severe anticholinergic syndrome.[17] The plant's deadly symptoms are caused by atropine's disruption of the parasympathetic nervous system's ability to regulate involuntary activities such as sweating, breathing, and heart rate. The antidote for belladonna poisoning is physostigmine or pilocarpine, the same as for atropine.[18]

Atropa belladonna is also toxic to many domestic animals, causing narcosis and paralysis.[19] However, cattle and rabbits eat the plant seemingly without suffering harmful effects.[16] In humans its anticholinergic properties will cause the disruption of cognitive capacities like memory and learning.[14]

There's no way that an experienced FOREMAN FORESTER in his late thirties/early forties would know about any of that stuff, though, is there? I mean, how could a senior forestry worker and keen gardener possibly be expected to recognise and avoid eating the berries of one of the most famously toxic plants found in the western hemisphere? Maybe he tripped and swallowed a load of them by accident?

And of course a mere DOCTOR, and then some HOSPITAL STAFF, who examined him soon after the event, would not know the tell-tale symptomns or signs of belladonna poisoning, because it happened in Bathgate, where medicine has not progressed past the works of Galen.

I like the "belladonna explanation" because it sounds very common-sense and plausible at first - so long as you start from the assumption that everyone involved was an incompetent idiot with no idea of what their own job involves. Bob Taylor, the doctors, the cops - all thick as shit. Many sceptics (and UFOlogists too, to be fair) do seem to start from such an assumption.

I like the "black ball lightning" explanation as well because (as you pointed out long ago on another thread) no one yet knows what normal ball lightning is - no scientist can tell you what it consists of, where it comes from, or what causes it. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning )

The "black ball lightning" sceptic is therefore saying, in effect, that he can only explain this currently unexplainable event by theorising that it was caused by an especially unique form of a phenomenon that still remains unexplained. He then sits back and says: "Problem solved."

[elfismiles]

Professor’s study of ‘UFO religion’ helps him stand out in classroom
by Anna Claire Conrad / STAFF WRITER

Cade Cannon, professor of anthropology, uses his experiences with alternative religions and beliefs to teach his students to have open minds. (Rebecca Croomes / ASSISTANT PHOTO EDITOR)

One of Auburn’s newest professors has brought a universal perspective to his classroom. His work deals with UFOs.

Originally from Seattle, Cade Cannon, professor of anthropology, graduated from Auburn in 2006 with a bachelor’s in psychology.

Cannon said he obtained his master’s in cultural anthropology from the University of Washington and is currently working toward his Ph.D. in cultural anthropology.

Cannon said he holds a special interest in the study of a religion that originated in France in the 1970s and revolves around the belief in UFOs.

“It is an atheistic, scientific religion that uses the Bible as a text,” Cannon said. “It supports the idea that all of the messages in the Bible did happen, but that these tales are evidence of people from ancient times trying to explain a scientific event to the best of their abilities. So, it comes across as miraculous when it actually is the best way they could describe their experiences.”

Cannon said he found that people who are religious are more open to things that are beyond comprehension.

“Science has answered a lot of questions, but it also has a particular way of looking at things that makes it hard for people to think about things that they can’t explain or justify,” Cannon said. “Religion, in a lot of cases, is more open to the things that society sees as being paranormal or supernatural.”

Though he has traveled around the world, most of Cannon’s studies take place in Montreal.

“In France, this religion is seen as a cult, so many people who believe it or practice it are discriminated against,” Cannon said. “In some cases, people have even lost their jobs. So to escape this prejudice, a lot of people have immigrated to the Quebec region of Canada so they can freely practice this religion.”

Cannon said he also studies people who claim to have been abducted by aliens.

Cannon conducts more qualitative work as opposed to physically examining evidence sites.

“I talk to them and let them explain their story, and then I compare this to what I know about psychology and also to the stories of other people I’ve interviewed,” Cannon said. “I often find correlations between several different contactees and the words they use to explain their experience.”

Cannon said he will not be able to delve deeply into the subject because of time limitations, but he will spend a few days in his classes discussing abductions and the UFO religion.

Angel Garrison, sophomore in anthropology, said Cannon stands out from other faculty members.

“He’s a really good teacher because he likes what he does,” Garrison said. “He does more than just hand out materials and teach from the book for the tests. He gets a discussion going, and he makes us think.”

Garrison said Cannon does not only teach his students, but has a desire to learn from them as well.

“I want my students to have an open mind,” Cannon said. “That’s the most efficient way to learn.”

Read more: The Auburn Plainsman - Professor’s study of ‘UFO religion’ helps him stand out in classroom
http://www.theplainsman.com/view/full_s ... -classroom

[LilyPatToo]

Thanks for that article link, elfi. I knew there had to be people (working outside of shadowy govt.-funded institutes, that is) who were seriously studying the relationship between religion and UFOs. I wish he'd publish on the subject, since I'd love to get deeper into this subject and understand it a lot better. Having been sucked into that part of the UFO community early-on, I'm struggling to figure out where I fit in now. My suspicions surrounding the religious impulse itself are at war with my first-hand knowledge that UFOs are real. And at war with both is my comparatively recent discovery of the ways that covert intelligence elements have used "alien abductions" to cover mind control program intrusions into people's lives. Wonder if Cade Cannon has encountered any of that data yet? And if so, what he's made of it...? Someone should point him at Martin Cannon's (later repudiated) The Controllers or Dolan's histories. Though, as an academic, he's unlikely to go far out onto that particular limb if he entertains hopes of tenure.

LIlyPat

[elfismiles]

Yer quite welcome LPT. I was thinking the same thing RE: Cade Cannon needing to meet Martin Cannon and his ... Cannon of MK Lore.

RE: UFO Religions ... from a previous post in this thread, check out these sources:

While more armchair than in-the-field, I too recommend the blogger at INTANGIBLE MATERIALITY.

And great suggestion PearTreed. Not sure if I'd seen that one before...

UFO Religions by Christopher Partridge
http://www.amazon.com/UFO-Religions-Chr ... 0415263239

Similarly I also recommend James R. Lewis' ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Lewis_(scholar)

The Encyclopedic Sourcebook of UFO Religions
http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedic-Sour ... 573929646/

UFOs And Popular Culture: An Encyclopedia Of Contemporary Myth
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Popular-Cult ... 576072657/

... let me recommend an obscure little book entitled “UFO Religions” for those still wondering why the flying saucers landed in our laps around the dysfunctional family circles.

Edited by Christopher Partridge, a senior lecturer in Theology and Contemporary Religion at Chester College in the UK, his research focuses on Alternative Spiritualities in the West and the social and psychological narratives expressed in UFO belief. He recaps the same 60-year history of our obsession with the elusive phenomenon and why defining and understanding its origins is like nailing Jell-O to a tree. It’s a truly dull academic read but quite informative if you can endure it.

Routledge ISBN 0-415-26324-7

viewtopic.php?p=419022#p419022

Thanks for that article link, elfi. I knew there had to be people (working outside of shadowy govt.-funded institutes, that is) who were seriously studying the relationship between religion and UFOs. I wish he'd publish on the subject, since I'd love to get deeper into this subject and understand it a lot better. Having been sucked into that part of the UFO community early-on, I'm struggling to figure out where I fit in now. My suspicions surrounding the religious impulse itself are at war with my first-hand knowledge that UFOs are real. And at war with both is my comparatively recent discovery of the ways that covert intelligence elements have used "alien abductions" to cover mind control program intrusions into people's lives. Wonder if Cade Cannon has encountered any of that data yet? And if so, what he's made of it...? Someone should point him at Martin Cannon's (later repudiated) The Controllers or Dolan's histories. Though, as an academic, he's unlikely to go far out onto that particular limb if he entertains hopes of tenure.

LIlyPat

[elfismiles]

From the latest podcast of Greg Bishop's RADIO MISTERIOSO show:


POLITICS, RELIGION, AND HUMAN NATURE:
Practical Problems and on the Path Toward Official UFO Acknowledgment
By Peter Robbins
http://radiomisterioso.com/images/Robbins.doc

Peter Robbins: Issues in Abduction Research

Peter Robbins makes his third appearance on the program, and on the heels of the untimely death of Budd Hopkins, we talk about his friendship with Hopkins and insights into working with people who claim abduction by non-human entities. We started with an in-depth examination of Robbins’ own sighting and subsequent repression of the troubling memory until he was reminded of it in the mid 1970s by his sister, who was there and had an apparent abduction experience.

While there are certainly many troubling issues in UFO abduction research, I do not personally have all the data and experience of someone like Peter Robbins to be able to come to a solid conclusion about the way it has been conducted in the last 30 years, although I have been occasionally critical of it in the past. Peter addressed some of the charges leveled at Hopkins concerning the treatment of apparent abductees, protocols for interviews and hypnosis sessions and guarding against bias from both the researcher and the subjects.

MORE HERE:
http://radiomisterioso.com/2011/09/19/p ... -research/
http://www.anomalyradio.com/blog/2011/0 ... -research/

Download (Duration: 2:38:02 — 72.3MB)
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/Peter_ ... _18_11.mp3

[elfismiles]

Leah Haley on Alien Abduction: “It Doesn't Happen”
Saturday, September 17, 2011

Former self-described alien abductee Leah Haley has revised her perspectives about her experiences of high strangeness to conclude that no alien abductions ever took place in her life. She now completely attributes her remarkable perceptions to having been an involuntary research subject. Commenting on literal alien abduction from her home in Pensacola, Florida, Haley stated, “It doesn't happen.”

Haley attracted widespread attention within the UFO community in 1993 with the publication of her book, Lost Was the Key, in which she described her extraordinary experiences consisting of fragmented memories of UFOs and apparent non-human beings. She became a well known speaker and was commonly sought for interviews. Ten years later she published Unlocking Alien Closets: Abductions, Mind Control and Spirituality, further documenting her descent into an increasingly complex web of deceit, disinformation and character assassination within ufology. Sales of her books climbed well into the thousands although word of mouth was virtually the only means of marketing.

Haley initially thought aliens were responsible for her experiences but that changed following years of investigation. She long acknowledged military personnel were involved in her experiences to some extent, but she fully re-evaluated circumstances after viewing select Freedom of Information Act and U.S. Patent Office documents. Haley further based her revised conclusions on hundreds of interactions with abductees and researchers, as well as having mysterious individuals enter and later abruptly vanish from her life. She is now thoroughly convinced mind control experiments are responsible for what became known as the alien abduction phenomenon.

“I really can explain every alien abduction away using human technology,” Haley said.

<snip>

Take her or leave her, Leah Haley is willing to be scrutinized. Other high profile members of the UFO community often hide from objective evaluation, reciting their largely unchallenged rhetoric with relentless and annoying persistence. Contrastingly, Haley at least seemingly provides us with a refreshingly transparent view of the path of an experiencer of high strangeness who embarked upon a sincere journey of investigation and self-discovery. It is only natural that such a journey included evolving perspectives, changing over time, and it appears Haley happens to be secure enough to tell us when she changes her mind.

“The most important thing about my case,” she said, “is that my memories were of alien abductions, and that after spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and years and years and years of research trying to find evidence that alien abductions occurred, the only evidence I found is of human-instigated mind control.”

Circumstantial Evidence

Haley cited circumstances such as confirmed mind control operations and Freedom of Information Act documents, substantiating details of such black budget operations, as supporting evidence for her perspectives. Suggesting the general population lacks adequate understandings of relevant issues, such as conditioned behavior and subliminal programming, Haley stated, “Doing my lectures and radio shows I met people all over the country, and most of the alien abductees just accept what's happened at face value. What they remember - to them - is what happened. Very few of us have ever questioned it to the extent that you and I obviously have.”

Haley cited U.S. Patent Office documents, demonstrating evolution of electronic technology and non-lethal weapons that correlates with the time line of reports of alien abduction. Advances in technology during the 20th century included using electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) to remotely entrain brain waves, induce altered states of consciousness and transfer an otherwise inaudible voice directly into the brain. Overexposure to EMFs was documented to cause hallucinations, nausea, short term amnesia (missing time) and reddened skin, circumstances which became staples of abductee testimonies.

<snip>

Haley said she periodically distanced herself from ufology and her past but kept getting “drawn back in.” She explained she was most recently drawn back in by me and what she found to be my interest in black budget operations and her case. I thanked her for her willingness to interact with me, then asked what was most important to her to ultimately accomplish.

Without hesitation, Leah Haley leaned back in her chair, looked skyward and replied with animated emphasis, "I want mind control and other invasive experiments on unwitting U.S. citizens to be stopped. And I want the mind control perpetrators brought to justice!"


http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/09/le ... nt_17.html

Past RI Threads citing Leah Haley...
search.php?keywords=leah+haley


Where is UFOlogy at in 2011?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32737&p=422012&hilit=leah+haley#p422012

Welcome to the WooJo
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28072&p=334884&hilit=leah+haley#p334884

Melinda Leslie - MILAB Abductee & Researcher 2009 vid Pr
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25393&p=291404&hilit=leah+haley#p291404

Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9483&p=105883&hilit=leah+haley#p105883

Quantum Physics in Action
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5744&p=52862&hilit=leah+haley#p52862

Coppens on "The Nine"
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5740&p=52643&hilit=leah+haley#p52643

[LilyPatToo]

Wow, she finally did it. At our local UFO Expo years ago, I spoke to her about what I'd learned about mind control experimentation and how it was changing my own opinion of what had happened to me during my missing time experiences. She looked very disturbed and pulled me aside to tell me that she'd gotten deeper into some of her own memories of abductions and in one was now able to see humans rather than aliens and in another she'd seen a costume on a "Gray." Ever since then, I've waited for her to go public, because she's always struck me as a very honest woman. I'm so glad that she's made what must have been an extremely difficult decision, given her high profile in the abductee community. And then there's the possibility of retribution like that nightmarish accessing that Kathleen Sullivan suffered when she spoke out about what she was remembering.

I wonder how the people who've worked so long and hard to keep so many of us in the dark are going to react? I've worried about her safety ever since our conversation. And it will be interesting to see how her change of heart will be received in the abductee community and how the gurus will spin it--maybe by attacking her character or impugning her sanity. My guess is that most abductees will either ignore it or explain it away somehow in order to keep their belief systems intact. Maybe tell themselves that while she was taken by humans, their case was different...I've lost much-loved friends over their deep-seated need to not look behind the curtain. I have a lot of compassion for them, but I hope that Ms. Haley's statement is the thing that wakens them from their long alien dream.

This has been a helluva time for abduction research recently, hasn't it? First the information about Bud Hopkins' disappointingly uncritical acceptance and support of juicy abduction stories, then this...and wasn't there another prominent researcher in trouble recently for the emotional abuse of a badly damaged woman? Too tired to go look it up, but I'm sure I have an article bookmarked somewhere. It all makes me sad, but also very proud of a fellow survivor and hopeful for the future, too. Leah Haley deserves a lot of credit for speaking up. She could have gone on just avoiding the UFO/alien abduction circuit, but she took the bravest, most honest route instead. Wouldn't it be great if she wrote a book about her own awakening?

LilyPat

[elfismiles]

^^^ Ditto LPT. She's always struck me as earnest and honest and I'm glad she's felt comfortable being public about her change of mind/heart on the subject.

The other scandalous abduction researcher you are trying to remember is David Jacobs:

How Broken Ufology
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30917

[LilyPatToo]

Thank you--I woke up with the name "Emma Woods" right in the forefront of my mind this AM. I think it likely that Jacob's abuse of that poor woman was so traumatizing for me to read about that I just tucked that memory away.

Also, I remembered another incident that I think is relevant to this thread, even though it happened at least a decade ago, maybe closer to two. Hearing Jacobs use the term "hybrids" brought it to the surface. I was interviewed for a public radio program on alien abduction by a local guy who investigates UFO matters. We were both surprised by the flood of detailed information that just spewed out of my mouth once he began asking questions, since I'd always had really severe memory problems around all my paranormal stuff (I didn't know then that I'm DID).

We became friends and eventually he told me about a close call he'd just had with a team of 3 people--2 men and a beautiful, seductive woman--who apparently targeted UFO researchers. The woman would be presented to the mark as an alien hybrid and the men as her protectors. This wasn't just some locals having fun with the UFO nuts either--the team was very well-funded and lived in a fancy condo and their story was not only convincing, it was delivered flawlessly, playing with professional con artist skill on each particular target's buttons. I should mention here that my friend is a brilliant guy, exceptionally well-educated and in a stable marriage, with a young son.

He showed me photos he'd taken of the "hybrid" standing on a commercial building rooftop, supposedly with her concealing whole-eye contacts out and her eyes look completely black. But when the sun hit them from an angle, he saw through them to her ordinary human eyes and realized he was being conned. Luckily for him, they'd just begun their campaign to discredit him and he hadn't yet slept with her. When he confronted them, they literally vanished within hours, leaving an empty condo. Obviously, someone with money was running a blackmail op that targeted respected Bay Area researchers and he found another of their victims when he began investigating.

And that's not all--many years later, I met a mind control program survivor who'd grown up in Berkeley and who'd known this guy when they were children. Turns out he'd been in a "smart kids program" at Stanford with her Most of the older program survivors I've met were in some version of one and it's one of the indicators I look for when I meet anyone who thinks they might have been an early test subject. Whatever the truth(s) behind UFOs and aliens, there have been some very shady and probably intelligence agency-funded creeps working the fringe for their own purposes from the get-go.

LilyPat

[Pele'sDaughter]

There's been a thread for quite awhile over at GLP about the gifted children program. I've only looked at one page so I don't know the contents or if any of the contents are triggering.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 963263/pg1