"Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

[Hunter]

Yea like I said, it is well documented that at least 8 of the hijackers were attending the Mosque right down the street from the University of Arizona and that Mosque is a very simple right down interstate 10 from the airport, about ten miles, ten fifteen minute drive tops.

Please document, I'm having trouble recalling.

I dont have much time to go through all of the articles google shows as having this info it in but here is one from the local Phoenix Arizona newspaper:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... rists.html

Arizona an important site for 9/11 killers

It has been a while but living here I do recall reports back then stating that at least 8 of the hijackers had made an appearance at the local Tucson Mosque down by the University of Arizona, perhaps this article covers that, when I geta free moment I will try and find some of the reports that came out in the local Tucson media about this.

THE PROBLEM of course is when they were all here and I personally believe at one time they all made an appearance here in Tucson, nobody knew who they were at the time, they were just like any other middle eastern person, of which Tucson has many because of the University, and they werent famous at the time, it wasnt until after the attacks that people here started to realize that they had met many of them.
I also recall at least a few of them were enrolled in english classes at the U of Arizona as well, at one time.

[8bitagent]

this is where he says the pilot-hijackers received training on 'the big birds'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark

Another puzzle is presented by Hani Hanjour, a small, shy lad who, throughout his teens in Saudi Arabia, wanted nothing more than to be a flight attendant. Despite the fact that Hanjour displayed little interest in his flying lessons, abandoning courses that he did not flunk outright, he was the alleged pilot of American Airlines Flight 77 which crashed into the Pentagon.

In 1998, Hanjour received a one-hour lesson after which, in the words of manager Wes Fults, "He had only the barest understanding of what the instruments were there to do." Yet by April 1999, by means that FAA officials refuse to discuss, Hanjour had obtained a commercial pilots license, capping several years of trying. In April of 1996 he attended a 30-minute class at the Sierra Academy of Aeronautics in Oakland California, never to return. The next month finds him in Scottsdale, Arizona, where he signed up for lessons at CRM Flight Cockpit Resource Management. Hanjour left after three months with no certificate. He returned one year later, stayed only a few weeks, then left again. Over the next three years, Hanjour called the Scottsdale School seeking re-admision but was rebuffed as having no pilot potential. In 1998 Hanjour enrolled at Sawyer Aviation in Phoenix, Arizona. He attended a handful of sessions on the flight simulator, then disappeared once again. ( September 11 WikiGoldstein et al., 2001)

In August of 2001, Hanjour arrived at the Freeway Airport in Bowie, Maryland. His attempt to get himself checked out in a single-engine plane ended once more in failure. Owing to his general incompetence, officials at Bowie refused to rent an aircraft to him. (Goldstein et al., 2001) In view of the fact that Hanjour could not manage to fly single-engine aircraft, it seems amazing that Hanjour piloted the Boeing passenger liner that hit the Pentagon right on target.

The other major discrepancy between stereotype and reality in the case of the alleged 19 (or 20) hijackers is religion. Perhaps Hanjour was the most religious of the lot, having been rather devout, according to his older brother, throughout his youth. Hanjour was never observed flouting the rules of Islam openly, as several of his better-known colleagues were. Some of the other alleged hijackers were observed drinking alcohol and engaging in sexually promiscuous behaviour.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Hanjour,Hani.shtml

Seems that, like Venice/Hollywood FL and Norman Oklahoma's Airman Aviation, Arizona was another spook flight center hotbed.
I seem to recall Dave Emory doing a whole episode on Saudi SICO corporation attached to the selection of certain flight schools the hijackers trained at.

And of course, there is this

[8bitagent]

In fact this guy is the first person I have ever read about who connected Pinal Airpark with 9-11 and it makes perfect sense with everything else that has been documented about the hijackers time in Arizona in the few months leading up to the attacks.

Yep, in fact it made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck when I heard him mention that in an interview. While History Commons/Cooperative Research/Paul Thompson's Terror Timeline, the Phoenix memo, former informants, and even the 9/11 commission mention Arizona, Marshall makes this connection that really is a whopper of a discovery. Hani Hanjour of course was prominent in Arizona, allegedly meeting up with the Anwar Awlaki/Saudi handled guys in San Diego and Vienna/Falls Church Virginia. I believe there is an American white guy who claimed to be a merc/informant who lost his leg in Chechnya that said some of the hijackers were in Arizona being protected(forget his name at the moment)

In 11.5 years of sept11 research, first time I hear of this and the guy ends up dead shortly after...

[justdrew]

Hanjour may not have given a shit about the flight schools cause he knew he had it all covered here. A real pilot would take it up and land it, he only head to learn to work it in the air. That place is a small bone yard, where 7x7's get parked between leases, so they could have practiced on the exact model plane, or 2 - 3 of the possible models.

[Hunter]

Hanjour may not have given a shit about the flight schools cause he knew he had it all covered here. A real pilot would take it up and land it, he only head to learn to work it in the air. That place is a small bone yard, where 7x7's get parked between leases, so they could have practiced on the exact model plane, or 2 - 3 of the possible models.

Yea it is actually the perfect place for that type of training, its way out in the middle of the desert very isolated and secure, while it isnt terribly far from Metro Tucson, when you are out in the middle of a desert it is very isolated and secure. Like I said, most people in Tucson understand pretty clearly and without much concern that it is a CIA air training facility, you can even see guys parachuting out of planes all the time in that area.

There is also DAVIS MONTHON Air Force base in Tucson which is the boneyard of boneyards for retired military craft, it is miles and miles of nothing but old parked planes from ww1 onward, pretty neat place to drive by, one of the main streets of tucson is adjacent to it and you can drive about 5 miles down that street and to your left is just plane after plane as far as you can see, all makes, sizes and models from years past to even more recent.

Its about 15 miles from Pinal AP to DM AFB.

[compared2what?]

In short, I see no plausibility obstacle to formulating a murder hypothesis in this case.

Not an obstacle to it, no. But a rigorous examination of same does have to take into account how likely he would have been to be in a position to know the kind of very closely held operational secrets that spookdom might have killed him for wanting to tell.

Alternatively, secrets or actions that sufficed to piss some motherfucker off enough to desire revenge or to wish to render an example. Inexperience, incompetence, willingness to talk and a touch of bluster are compatible with fucking up that way. The secrets he might have revealed that merit a killing might not be the important-sounding ones he fronted. They might be old and obscure.

That's true. But a lot of those become obsolete over the passage of thirty years or so. Statutes of limitations. Changes in personnel and institutional memory and so on.

Besides which, irrespective of what kind of hit was hypothetically committed over what kind of secret, what he actually did, with whom, and when is relevant to the goddamn speculation. What's the matter with you? The entire hypothesis is premised on his having said he was an Iran-Contra vet, some others of whom are known to have been killed in hits. Such as Barry Seal. Therefore, what he did as a pilot during Iran-Contra does matter..

And imo, the odds of anyone having enough firsthand operational experience to know that sort of shit without either having had any prior qualifications for it or going on to have the kind of career for which they come in handy after he'd acquired them are pretty low to begin with.

How would you know?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

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Obviously, it's not the kind of thing anyone does truly know. I was speaking from observation and experience, based on information, belief and conviction.

Okay?

I mean, most people who know secrets that dangerous as a result of having done extremely secretive and dangerous work are professionally trained to take steps to guard against getting themselves and their children slaughtered like sitting ducks while hanging out in their comfortable and undefended suburban homes, by definition.

(Note bolding.) Assumptions. Sufficiently overwhelming force, planning and surprise give the advantage to attackers. I mean, what you're saying would work both ways. As he's out of the game (assuming he was in it), the attackers presumably would be the ones with the surveillance advantage.

ONCE AGAIN.

The hypothesis is premised on known models. Which have patterns and tendencies and so forth. Stealth home invasions that use overwhelming force and require teams of hitmen working in a coordinated effort to kill one adult and two minors in a residential neighborhood are not a form of professional hit that's known to me. Except maybe in movies.

That's all.

No big deal.

I have no opinion about how they died. But I'm sorry they did.

[divideandconquer]

Why are people so quick to accept the presented narrative that this person killed his kids and then killed himself? There are other possibilities..

When asked about 9/11, George Carlin responded, "I always question the received reality...the consensus reality is often intentionally misleading." Then, when asked if he would support an investigation, Carlin said, "You know, they don't investigate themselves in this country...People who are in charge do what they want and they will always do what they want. Power does what it wants to. "

I'm sorry but this story is far too convenient for the "all conspiracy theorists are mentally ill" agenda that's apparently on steroids now.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/02 ... and-logic/

[FourthBase]

Some thoughts:

- I don't see how the level of veracity about his purported background would necessarily have any evidentiary relevance to the quality of his dot-connecting re: Arizona and Saudi Arabia, etc.

- The more I read of Marshall, the more it feels like having stared down a rabbit hole for ten years with nothing to see for sure but a few faint outlines of a rabbit and spots of detail here and there that seem to shift and vanish and reappear like a trickster spirit. And then one day someone points and says, "Hey, look, that looks like a rabbit" and suddenly you can see the distinct shape of a rabbit, and hey whaddya know it really is that fucking rabbit you've been fruitlessly trying to identify all that time. That's what it feels like, anyway, at the moment. Subject to change, if necessary.

- If it was a hit and if the hit directly relates to his 9/11 research, then there could be a silver lining lesson to be found amidst the horror: That the perpetrator-elite are not so invulnerable that the mere reasoning and detective work of a guy like Marshall can't hurt them. It would mean they concluded that he had to be extinguished, lest...what? Well, lest something that -- forgive the emotional incongruity -- is probably something to rejoice over. Lest that information spread, and...and lead to...what? These seemingly omnipotent operators with seemingly limitless impunity are...capable of losing? If not, if they have not made that same determination themselves, then why would they ever feel the need to assassinate anyone?

- As alluded to above, there is a significant downside for the perps to any remotely-transparent hit, especially to such a gruesome spectacle as Marshall's might be. What it can do is draw an inordinate amount of attention in the precise direction of whatever secrets were being suppressed in the first place. In that way, every such hit becomes a neon billboard with a flashing arrow and the words "Look here! This is a tree you will definitely want to bark up!", even though the entire point of the hit may have been to erect the adjacent sign that says in creepy lettering, "Don't look here! We will murder your family if you do!" If anyone is familiar with Taleb's concept of antifragility, though the individual truthseeker is fragile to termination, there is always a benefit to be salvaged by the community of truthseekers, and a drawback to be feared by the perps. So far, the perp-elite have been able to cut off single heads from the conspiracy-theory Hydra and never wind up suffering their worst case scenario of many-headed regeneration from those same necks. That need not be the case. If there is the will for it, then Marshall's death could well be the neck that gives birth to a thousand heads -- one of the perp-complex's worst nightmares, or so we can surmise from the many hit jobs of seemingly obscure schmucks they feel compelled to carry out in fear for their own self-preservation. Look at the situation and at first it might make you want to shit your pants with impotent dread; but take a few steps to one side and bend your head a little, and from that new perspective one might see that...we have them right where we want them, lol. Really, though, it could be so.

- The sociopaths in charge, I imagine, have no qualms about presenting inhuman choices to people they want to make disappear. So, if some maverick amateur researcher is found dead in a bathtub with severed arteries or hanging from a noose in the garage, it could be at the same time both a suicide and a hit job. Because, think about it for a second, what would the average person do if a couple of evil powerbrokers made it very clear that he could either a) kill himself or b) see his loved ones die at irregular intervals over the next several years in horrific, painful, untraceable ways...?

- It's time that people stop dying and taking crucial information, the stuff their eventual murders are designed to keep secret, to the grave with them. It makes no sense to ever be "about to" unveil, release, expose, share, or leak any information that is valuable enough to feel the need to tread carefully with it, because if it's that valuable and there is a window in which the murderer-elites have time to intercept you, you will be intercepted. If you know something that big, tell as many fucking people as humanly possible in as many forms as possible as quickly as possible in as many places as possible. Am I right?

[slimmouse]

Having heard and read Marshall on a number of occassions, he did seem to know his stuff.

I still have extreme difficulty accepting that anyone actually flew the Pentagon plane in the fashion that they allegedly did ( unaided by RC technology) - which is something Marshall appeared to have believed most defiinitely happened. Could even an expert aviator hit that mark one time in a hundred?

Nonethless his sleuthing on the subject has the potential to open up some serious avenues for those of us who believe the 9/11 occult mass murder is still important. Not to say that any of them are immediately, in the future, or ever likely to lead us any closer to justiceville.

I wouldnt be prepared to speculate on how he died, but surely there have to be some question marks - and his book sure as hell sounds worth a read in the face of this tragedy. At the very least it sounds like it has the potential to stack up yet more serious questions regarding the lies, obfuscations and general nonsense of the official account, against an already large pile.

RIP

[FourthBase]

The inverse of Jeff's motto is equally true. What you know can hurt them. Take solace in that, every otherwise-demoralizing time a dissident, a witness, a researcher, a whistleblower is suicided or accidented or assassinated. And then: Bark! There, up that tree! Damn the torpedos, damn any ultimatums of death or torture. Become immune to that force. Who wants to live forever, anyway? What would be the point of selling out to protect your family, anyway, if it means surrendering the world your family will live in to such a soul-destroying evil regime?

[thatsmystory]

To re-iterate about journalists and newsrooms....they won't touch this stuff. The smart clued in journalists are very careful about this sorta stuff. A lot of news articles contain bad info on a daily basis. Does not mean the newspaper or reporter has an axe to grind, often it's bad info supplied to them. Cops make mistakes everyday, even good cops make mistakes, we're all human. Medical examiners flub up also. A story being investigated by a colleague of mine right now exemplifies this very thing. Sometimes it's laziness, incompetence, accidental mistakes, or now and then an axe to grind or something evil and conspiratorial. The daily news is such a mix of crap in, crap out. So hard to take a lot of it seriously if you are close to the biz. A lot of journalists are truly very hard working individuals, but they don't all have the awareness to see beyond the veil.

Being a lurker for many years, I sorta feel like I'm coming out...lol. I miss Hugh, what the heck happened to him? I know everybody ragged on him terribly, but sometimes he dug up stuff that was pretty close to reality. Not always, but now and then.

One would think journalists would have some loyalty to the people murdered on 9/11. Meaning the best way to honor the victims would be to find out why they were murdered. Instead we have a media mindset of arrogance and authoritarian cheerleading. To the point where Marshall is derided as some sort of whacky conspiracy nut for daring to claim the Saudis and CIA were involved in facilitating 9/11. This just so happens to be supported by public record information. But because it is not establishment consensus the media pretends it is conspiracy nuttery. I read articles, blogs and message boards about the Marshall murders and it is very sad the way many people are evidently pleased by their allegiance to a government approved 9/11 narrative. Why would anyone be proud of celebrating the coverup of a mass murder?

[82_28]

They know we know they know and know we know they now know it that they know we're here. I mean fuck bro, this shit is getting real stupid. In one flavor or the other, the conspiracy people have it right. Shit was CD. I mean there's no getting around obviousness. However, where we must be careful is in shit like this. Because, instead of silencing Marshall, they have placed him into a position where the rabbit hole goes still deeper.

Talk to the hand, motherfuckers. You can only go so far down a rabbit hole till you say, fuck this shit and I've seen enough. Even if dude did massacre his family, it doesn't change jack shit. They want us to go down a further rabbit hole. Don't take the bait. We know all we need to know already. There was collusion within the US .gov and longterm corporate, global allies to get this thing done for the purposes of robbing America.

What they play on is the day to day fear we all feel, thus we feel it and direct our lifestyles in concert -- because that was what was meant. When we feel it, they take it to the bank, which happens to be they themselves and all of us are left holding the bag.

I still have the craziest conspiracy theory of all and that is that the buildings themselves were actually built to do what they did on September 11th, 2001 and it was easily planned over 40 years before the collapses with its very architecture and who was going to be running the show as far as management. Yes, I believe it was planned almost a half century out to happen on this certain date we still speak of.

But that's just me. Swear I'm not a total kook.

[8bitagent]

They know we know they know and know we know they now know it that they know we're here. I mean fuck bro, this shit is getting real stupid. In one flavor or the other, the conspiracy people have it right. Shit was CD. I mean there's no getting around obviousness. However, where we must be careful is in shit like this. Because, instead of silencing Marshall, they have placed him into a position where the rabbit hole goes still deeper.

Talk to the hand, motherfuckers. You can only go so far down a rabbit hole till you say, fuck this shit and I've seen enough. Even if dude did massacre his family, it doesn't change jack shit. They want us to go down a further rabbit hole. Don't take the bait. We know all we need to know already. There was collusion within the US .gov and longterm corporate, global allies to get this thing done for the purposes of robbing America.

What they play on is the day to day fear we all feel, thus we feel it and direct our lifestyles in concert -- because that was what was meant. When we feel it, they take it to the bank, which happens to be they themselves and all of us are left holding the bag.

I still have the craziest conspiracy theory of all and that is that the buildings themselves were actually built to do what they did on September 11th, 2001 and it was easily planned over 40 years before the collapses with its very architecture and who was going to be running the show as far as management. Yes, I believe it was planned almost a half century out to happen on this certain date we still speak of.

But that's just me. Swear I'm not a total kook.

Not crazy at all to me.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cult ... merce.html

The World Trade Center's architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was a favorite designer of the Binladin family's patrons—the Saudi royal family—and a leading practitioner of an architectural style that merged modernism with Islamic influences.

[seemslikeadream]

^^^^



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[NeonLX]

Thanks for Alchemy's post, I searched for Davis Monthon AFB via the satellite view on Google maps.

I may spend the better part of the day poking around:

http://goo.gl/maps/mN8xH