Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

[Simulist]

Wait a second, I don't think anyone here is advocating the laughingly wtf notion that the blast victims were actors.

For the numbskulls out in youtube land saying that awful stuff, here's a couple people they can ask

There's at least one person here who is "pretty damn close to being pretty damn sure", yaddayadda.

you had better not be referring to me -
your habit of attributing ideas to me and others is absolutely rotten.

You start and maintain a discussion about "crisis actors" while the investigation into the Boston bombings is in full gear — at precisely the same time the nastiest of conspiracy theories are being promoted on the internet alleging that "crisis actors" are pretending to be victims in this terrible spectacle — and you're outraged that someone might get such an impression about you? Seriously?

[Canadian_watcher]

You start and maintain a discussion about "crisis actors" while the investigation into the Boston bombings is in full gear — at precisely the same time the nastiest of conspiracy theories are being promoted on the internet alleging that "crisis actors" are pretending to be victims in this terrible spectacle — and you're outraged that someone might get such an impression about you? Seriously?

Are you asking me if it is fair to draw inferences based on circumstances - based on how you think you'd behave in the same circumstances?
I certainly have not claimed in any way shape or form that I think crisis actors pretended to be victims in any event. But you think that might be the truth anyway.

[Simulist]

You start and maintain a discussion about "crisis actors" while the investigation into the Boston bombings is in full gear — at precisely the same time the nastiest of conspiracy theories are being promoted on the internet alleging that "crisis actors" are pretending to be victims in this terrible spectacle — and you're outraged that someone might get such an impression about you? Seriously?

Are you asking me if it is fair to draw inferences based on circumstances - based on how you think you'd behave in the same circumstances?

No. I am saying that by starting and maintaining this circuitous discussion about really who-knows-what (but it has something to do with "crisis actors" — !) at precisely the same time horribly cruel conspiracy theories are being promoted in earnest elsewhere on the internet, alleging that some victims — many of whom had their limbs blown off by bombs! — are actually "crisis actors" and are helping perpetrate some monumental hoax against the American people... that this is bound to evoke questions about what you really think you're doing.

I certainly have not claimed in any way shape or form that I think crisis actors pretended to be victims in any event. But you think that might be the truth anyway.

I really have no idea what the truth is about you, Canadian_watcher.

[Canadian_watcher]

so you're telling me that it's fair to draw inferences about people based on circumstances. thanks for making it more clear.

[FourthBase]

so you're telling me that it's fair to draw inferences about people based on circumstances. thanks for making it more clear.

Just for the record:
I have zero problem with this thread existing.
Zero problem with examining the phenomenon of crisis actors.

My problem is with conclusions unjustifiably jumped to.
Doomsaying, premature certainty, hyperactive panic about martial law, etc.

[Simulist]

so you're telling me that it's fair to draw inferences about people based on circumstances. thanks for making it more clear.

Your attempts at misdirection are overworked and tiresome. Worst of all: they are ineffective.

What I'm "telling" you, I've already stated rather clearly. Twice.

Read it again, if you need to; repeat as necessary.

[Canadian_watcher]

so you're telling me that it's fair to draw inferences about people based on circumstances. thanks for making it more clear.

Just for the record:
I have zero problem with this thread existing.
Zero problem with examining the phenomenon of crisis actors.

My problem is with conclusions unjustifiably jumped to.
Doomsaying, premature certainty, hyperactive panic about martial law, etc.

this is completely fair.
this is what I'd like, also.
thanks for this statement, 4B.

[chump]

So, Gene Rosen never worked with FEMA in Texas, huh? Someone out and out created a copy of their website to mislead the public. It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not so sure. Did someone change the description of the photo on their website? I even wasted my time in an attempt to check it out...

First of all, we know that crisis actors do exist. Gene Rosen was videotaped rehearsing his lines for CNN. He is an actor. At http://mackquigley.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... -an-actor/ (which was mentioned on the video) we see Rosen's dog walking website http://genespetservice.com/about on which he states, "In the past, Gene has been involved in community theater and Public Access Television where he hosted a program that reported on the local theater scene." . The local Public Affairs channel thanked him for his involvement. http://www.communityvision21.com/Pages/ ... ffairs.htm . Quigley also found "a news article (now scrubbed) that says this about Rosen: "


http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?arc ... Name=Rosen )

... Newtowner Gene Rosen has long taken that uniquely phrased advice, given to him by his late father, Saul, to heart.
Heeding that has led the El Paso, Texas-born-and-raised Rosen, 63, to his latest venture, pet sitting. He's made his business, Gene's Trust Pet Service, "different," he said, "by adding pet photography to the mix."...

So, he is from Texas. FWIW, the guy in Harlingen has a tattoo on the top of his wrist .



If Gene Rosen has a tattoo like the FEMA guy in Texas we might be onto something. GR oftens wears his watch the same way, but I could not find a picture with his wrist exposed to see if the tattoo is there.

[barracuda]

Unless Gene Rosen has recently had cosmetic ear surgery to hide his dastardly past as a FEMA child-interrogator, the odds are exactly zero that those are the same two men.





In the field of forensic face mapping, a discrepancy in a single feature between two images is considered a disqualifier. Here I'd say we have more than that. No match.

[compared2what?]

So, Gene Rosen never worked with FEMA in Texas, huh? Someone out and out created a copy of their website to mislead the public. It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not so sure. Did someone change the description of the photo on their website? I even wasted my time in an attempt to check it out...

The ID isn't on the FEMA website on which the photo originates at all. But since it's a public record, anyone can take it and do what they like with it. Someone reposted it to Wikimedia with that information added. It was later removed by another editor. And everybody probably had a thrilling bicker, because that's wiki.

First of all, we know that crisis actors do exist. Gene Rosen was videotaped rehearsing his lines for CNN.

Where/when?

He is an actor. At http://mackquigley.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... -an-actor/ (which was mentioned on the video) we see Rosen's dog walking website http://genespetservice.com/about on which he states, "In the past, Gene has been involved in community theater and Public Access Television where he hosted a program that reported on the local theater scene." . The local Public Affairs channel thanked him for his involvement. http://www.communityvision21.com/Pages/ ... ffairs.htm .

Okay. But a lot of people do community theater (or, ftm, professional stage, screen and television acting) without being part of any dark doings by the federal government. So without an existing cause for suspicion, it's not suspicious.

Quigley also found "a news article (now scrubbed) that says this about Rosen: "


http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?arc ... Name=Rosen )

... Newtowner Gene Rosen has long taken that uniquely phrased advice, given to him by his late father, Saul, to heart.
Heeding that has led the El Paso, Texas-born-and-raised Rosen, 63, to his latest venture, pet sitting. He's made his business, Gene's Trust Pet Service, "different," he said, "by adding pet photography to the mix."...

So, he is from Texas.

El Paso is 800-plus miles from Harlingen. Maybe...I don't know. A twelve-hour drive? Though most people would probably fly, I guess. So he was raised 800 miles from where that photo was taken. But he's 69. So there's another kind of distance between him and there, as well.

FWIW, the guy in Harlingen has a tattoo on the top of his wrist .



If Gene Rosen has a tattoo like the FEMA guy in Texas we might be onto something. GR oftens wears his watch the same way, but I could not find a picture with his wrist exposed to see if the tattoo is there.

There still wouldn't be anything to suggest he worked for FEMA or in Harlingen. Or a hypothetical cause for the op. So there'd be a long way to go.

But if that stuff could be worked out, maybe.

The thing is: You'd then be opting to believe in the validity of something you had a reason to think was fake in order not to believe in something the reality of which you had no reason to doubt, apart from the stuff you had a reason to think was fake.

Those are confusing standards..

[chump]

The thing is: You'd then be opting to believe in the validity of something you had a reason to think was fake in order not to believe in something the reality of which you had no reason to doubt, apart from the stuff you had a reason to think was fake...

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Simulist]

The thing is: You'd then be opting to believe in the validity of something you had a reason to think was fake in order not to believe in something the reality of which you had no reason to doubt, apart from the stuff you had a reason to think was fake.

Those are confusing standards..

Here, as always, I appreciate your clarity of thought.

[Canadian_watcher]

The thing is: You'd then be opting to believe in the validity of something you had a reason to think was fake in order not to believe in something the reality of which you had no reason to doubt, apart from the stuff you had a reason to think was fake...

Thanks for clearing that up.

ha. yes, that says it all.

[FourthBase]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but it came to me suddenly last night, watching local coverage of the three roommates' defense attorneys, and I do not intend this right now to be a moral judgment, just a factual observation, although obviously there are some, uh, moral judgments awaiting some of these people someday, even if they never arrive. Here it goes:

More or less than half of all attorneys are, by definition, crisis actors. Literally.
They are always emerging to perform for someone else in a crisis.
Logically, about 50% of them are full of shit, give or take 25%?
Like, necessarily full of shit. Lying. Professionally. Yes? No?

Of course, that job description is magnitudes worse for society as it applies to prosecutors.
When prosecutors lie, when they play-act and make shit up: Innocent people are persecuted.
Even if the percentage of prosecutors who are kayfabe is only, say, 20%...
By some Pareto principle they do wayyyy more total harm than defenders.
Even if 90% of defense attorneys were full of shit and crisis-acting 90% of the time...
It could still be the 20% or less of bad-faith prosecutors responsible for 80% of judicial injustice, or more!

[compared2what?]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but it came to me suddenly last night, watching local coverage of the three roommates' defense attorneys, and I do not intend this right now to be a moral judgment, just a factual observation, although obviously there are some, uh, moral judgments awaiting some of these people someday, even if they never arrive. Here it goes:

More or less than half of all attorneys are, by definition, crisis actors. Literally.
They are always emerging to perform for someone else in a crisis.
Logically, about 50% of them are full of shit, give or take 25%?
Like, necessarily full of shit. Lying. Professionally. Yes? No?

They're definitely actors who can do a little crisis-acting when called for.

I'm not sure all of them are professional liars, though. They kind of go with the style that suits their natural strengths best. The ideal would probably be the criminal defense attorney who had such consummate showmanship that he/she could tell the truth in a way that left the impression of the right falsehood.

I think you're onto something, though. And not just for criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors, either. All litigators. They're showboats.