TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[tapitsbo]

I think he's talking about armed groups outside of the federal agencies.

[SonicG]

I think he's talking about armed groups outside of the federal agencies.

Black Panthers? Right-wing militias? Sovereign citizen nutters??
I really don't see any of them being capable of starting anything even approaching a civil or revolutionary...if that is the point.

[AlicetheKurious]

a civil war that some Americans think never ended

No, nothing like that. I'm thinking of what the transnational banking/global elite has been implementing in one nation after another, and how a suspiciously similar process appears to have begun in the US.

National institutions weakened, riddled with corruption and widely discredited. People resorting to militias and arming themselves, not trusting the government or any national institution. The commodification of everything. The emergence of armed gangs, under all sorts of names, including "private security companies". The creeping privatization of war, education, communications, money, health and other social services, and even the penal system. The widespread use of drugs, especially mood-altering or psychotropic drugs. The disintegration of a common national culture or even agreement about what core values or interests the nation and all its citizens should defend. Demagoguery rapidly replacing traditional religion and political discourse. Ethnic and sectarian hatred being stoked. Grievances nurtured, and the spread of a corrosive sense that one's "group" is targeted and victimized. Cumulative desensitization to violence and cruelty, a hardening of hearts. Film portrayals of extreme violence, especially against "other" racial or ethnic groups, as both cathartic and noble.

And flowing through all of this, untold billions of dollars flowing into the pockets of those who are poised to profit, and who are prepared to reinvest some of their profits to produce even more.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

[seemslikeadream]

NOVEMBER 24, 2015
Shocked by Trump? Churchill Wanted to “Collar Them All”
by BARRY LANDO

We’re outraged by Donald Trump’s demanding databases and I.D. cards to protect America from the super-hyped threat of Syrian refugees. We’re ashamed by the memory of Roosevelt’s interning more than 100,000 Japanese American residents and citizens during World War II. But Winston Churchill went even farther. He ordered the internment of tens of thousands of Jewish refugees in England, labeling them dangerous enemy aliens.

It’s a “distant mirror” to the mounting hysteria in the United States today.

Nationals from Germany and Austria who were living in England when World War II broke out, had already been assigned to different groupings based on their apparent threat to the UK. Category A were the “high security risks.” All 600 of them were immediately interned. Those deemed “no-security risk” in Class C, included 55,000 refugees from Nazi oppression. The great majority of them were Jewish. They were left free–at first.

But then, in the Spring of 1940, with the fall of France, the fear of a German invasion, the entry of Italy into the war, there was an outbreak of spy fever in England, a demand that more be done about the thousands of “dangerous aliens” living there. Unwilling to consider which of those foreigners might actually be dangerous, Churchill commanded “Collar them all.”

Brushed aside were objections that huge numbers of those ordered interned were Jews who had fled for their lives from the Nazis. The irrational fear was that they might still somehow become a dangerous Fifth Column, they could be blackmailed to engage in espionage or whatever.

The frenzy was fed by the groundless alarms of MI 5, Britain’s domestic intelligence service. They were amplified by a totally irresponsible media. The rightist Daily Mail, which had supported the Fascists in the 1930’s, led a campaign to have all aliens in Britain interned. Some employers began to fire all foreigners. Other workers were sacked just because they had foreign ancestors. There were calls to deport all of them. In that case, some calmer souls tried to point out, the British Royal Family should be deported as well, since their ancestors had originally come from Germany.

Pleas for more nuanced rational measures were ignored in the madness.

Whether Jewish or not, all men between 16 and 60 from Austria, Germany and Italy were to be interned.

One young sixteen-year-old Jew from Austria, Fred Stern, recounted how he was interrogated, his belongings searched. His Austrian passport was stamped with a symbol denoting he was a Jew. “Israel” was also written after his name. The police impounded it.

Their suspicions were confirmed when they discovered a Morse code set Stern had used as a Boy Scout in Vienna. That set was confiscated along with a map of Switzerland on which Stern had marked the route taken by the bus during his vacation there with the Scouts.

Conditions in the internment camps were often appalling, the prisoners at first held in tents without mattress. Some had proper toilets facilities. Others had buckets or pits.

The majority were interned on the bleak Isle of Mann off the coast of Scotland. In one of the camps more than 80% of those interned were Jewish. Wives were separated from their husbands. Internees were also forbidden newspapers, to listen to the radio, or receive letters. Many were prevented from finding out what had happened to family members trapped in Nazi Europe. Several refugees who had fled to England to avoid persecution committed suicide in these camps.

To relieve the pressure on England, more than 7,000 of the internees were deported to Canada and Australia. One of the passenger liners transporting them, the Andorra Star, was sunk by a German U Boat. 714 persons drowned, must of them internees. Others carried in an overcrowded ship to Australia later wrote of the dreadful conditions on the two-month trip; many had their belongings thrown overboard or stolen by their British military guard.

Even in far off Canada and Australia they were still treated as a dangerous threat, dispatched to hastily prepared camps, guarded by armed soldiers, surrounded by barbedwire. They were allowed two censored letters a week, ‘Prisoner of War’ embossed on the envelopes

There were 26 camps in Canada, including the horrific Camp I in Ile-aux-Noix, Quebec, where Austrian and German Jews who thought they had escaped Nazism by fleeing to Britain during the 1930s found themselves interred in camps with the same Nazis they had escaped.

One internee wrote that at another Canadian camp, “we were welcomed by German PoWs singing the Horst Wessel Song. It was most grueling to hear the words ‘Wenn das Judenblut vom Messer spritzt’ (When Jewish blood sprays from the knife)”

Rampant anti-Semitism in England and Canada also played a role in internment policies. Canada’s immigration minister at the time, Frederick Charles Blair, believed “an international Jewish conspiracy was trying to skirt Canadian immigration policies by sneaking the refugees into the country,”
Fred Stern’s father escaped, but the rest of his family perished in the Holocaust. After more than a year, his parents in England finally managed to obtain his release and return.

Later, when the hysteria had somewhat subsided, there was an official inquiry, but the British government, remained unrepentant. The Duke of Devonshire, justified the decision to deport the refugees to Canada and Australia with the words: “It seemed desirable both to husband our resources and get rid of useless mouths and so forth.”

[seemslikeadream]

a civil war that some Americans think never ended

No, nothing like that. I'm thinking of what the transnational banking/global elite has been implementing in one nation after another, and how a suspiciously similar process appears to have begun in the US.

National institutions weakened, riddled with corruption and widely discredited. People resorting to militias and arming themselves, not trusting the government or any national institution. The commodification of everything. The emergence of armed gangs, under all sorts of names, including "private security companies". The creeping privatization of war, education, communications, money, health and other social services, and even the penal system. The widespread use of drugs, especially mood-altering or psychotropic drugs. The disintegration of a common national culture or even agreement about what core values or interests the nation and all its citizens should defend. Demagoguery rapidly replacing traditional religion and political discourse. Ethnic and sectarian hatred being stoked. Grievances nurtured, and the spread of a corrosive sense that one's "group" is targeted and victimized. Cumulative desensitization to violence and cruelty, a hardening of hearts. Film portrayals of extreme violence, especially against "other" racial or ethnic groups, as both cathartic and noble.

And flowing through all of this, untold billions of dollars flowing into the pockets of those who are poised to profit, and who are prepared to reinvest some of their profits to produce even more.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

5 Shot at Minneapolis Black Lives Matter Protest, Police Searching for 3 White Suspects
Multiple witness say white supremacists attacked the peaceful protest.
By Adam Johnson / AlterNet November 24, 2015

Five protestors were shot Monday night outside of the Minneapolis Police Department’s 4th Precinct, allegedly by three white males that witnesses described as white supremacists. The protesters had been peacefully demonstrating against the recent shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark by Minneapolis police, who was shot and killed while in police detention on November 15th.

White supremacists were spotted stalking the protestors late Friday night and even posted a taunting video of themselves wielding handguns and making veiled threats on Facebook.

The shooting took place, according to The Washington Post, around 10:40 pm Central Time. None of the victims are said to have life-threatening injuries according to Minneapolis police spokesman John Elder, although one was reportedly shot in the stomach and rushed to surgery.

"A group of white supremacists showed up at the protest, as they have done most nights," Black Lives Matter media contact Miski Noor told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The Tribune described how the events unfolded:

Jie Wronski-Riley said angry protesters moved the counter-demonstrators away from the encampment at the police station. Wronski-Riley heard what sounded like firecrackers and thought, “surely they’re not shooting human beings.” Two young black men on either side of him were hit, one in the back and leg, the other in the arm.

At least two of the three men who had been taunting protesters were firing guns, said Wronski-Riley, who described the incident as “really chaotic, really fast.”

Several organizers of the protests alleged that police sprayed demonstrators with mace following the shooting to control the crowd. The police have not responded to the allegations.

This is a developing story. AlterNet will update as more details emerge.

[General Patton]

[SonicG]

a civil war that some Americans think never ended

No, nothing like that. I'm thinking of what the transnational banking/global elite has been implementing in one nation after another, and how a suspiciously similar process appears to have begun in the US.

And flowing through all of this, untold billions of dollars flowing into the pockets of those who are poised to profit, and who are prepared to reinvest some of their profits to produce even more.

Oh sure...totally agree, except that civil war is a misnomer. It is business as usual.

[Iamwhomiam]

There are more than a few places where business is anything but usual these days.

And I don't feel all that hopeful for a peaceful future.

1871 | ‘The Paris Agony’


The Rue de Rivoli in Paris after the suppression of the Commune in May 1871. In the distance are the ruins of the Hotel de Ville, which is also seen in the photograph below from the German occupation in 1940.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/insider/1871-the-paris-agony.html

[backtoiam]

There are more than a few places where business is anything but usual these days.

And I don't feel all that hopeful for a peaceful future.

I'm thinking you are absolutely correct about that.

[8bitagent]

Some people say "well Trump isn't truly a fascist or a racist", or "Trump will peter out by the primaries"...it definitely feels like Trump rallies are getting and will be getting more violent and dangerous, and he won't be fading away by the early primary voting.

[slomo]

Some people say "well Trump isn't truly a fascist or a racist", or "Trump will peter out by the primaries"...it definitely feels like Trump rallies are getting and will be getting more violent and dangerous, and he won't be fading away by the early primary voting.

And even if he does, he's awakened a dangerous beast that won't go back to sleep any time soon.

[tapitsbo]

He's awakened it or placated it? Maybe both.

[seemslikeadream]

Donald Trump mocked a reporter with a disability at a South Carolina rally



what would Hitler say? a thousand years ....a thousand years

I hear a voice from a bunker in Argentina

[General Patton]

Donald Trump mocked a reporter with a disability at a South Carolina rally



what would Hitler say? a thousand years ....a thousand years

I hear a voice from a bunker in Argentina

Sure he's good, but is he Kalki the last Avatar of Vishnu good?

[seemslikeadream]

the latest but not the last