FBI denied. Parents spoke out. FBI admitted. Russians contacted U.S. re Tamerlane. There are legitimate questions that should be asked. I spent time in Boston. People there are tough as nails. Wicked tough. But as soon as prior involvement of the FBI was inserted into this story it begs many questions: the kinds of questions that need to be asked, good - bad - that RI in no small part exists to air. The desire to immediately kick some ass after an attack is normal. The propensity for secrecy by counter terrorist law enforcement is common. The suspicion of the official story here is in the very ribosomes in the cytoplasm of the blood cells of this board.
What we don't know won't hurt them.
" Morals is the butter for those who have no bread." — B. Traven
Re the footage of the houseful of folks being sent out
The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT during door-to-door searches for the Boston bomber By DAILY MAIL REPORTER PUBLISHED: 20:12 EST, 22 April 2013 | UPDATED: 05:02 EST, 23 April 2013
I hope you all have taken time to check out the photo blog that was posted now three times. The pictures are astounding! Talk about being in the right /wrong place at the right time! Crazy Terror at your door step!
elfismiles wrote:Re the footage of the houseful of folks being sent out
The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT during door-to-door searches for the Boston bomber By DAILY MAIL REPORTER PUBLISHED: 20:12 EST, 22 April 2013 | UPDATED: 05:02 EST, 23 April 2013
Seriously. I don't see why the legitimate questions have to be reserved exclusively for events that already have a public explanation. I want to know what was going on there.
“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him.” -- Rand Paul
All good (and repeated) questions C2W. I've not actually read the article so if it aint in there ...
Just saw it on an msm site and thought it might've provided answers.
compared2what? wrote:
elfismiles wrote:Re the footage of the houseful of folks being sent out
The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT during door-to-door searches for the Boston bomber By DAILY MAIL REPORTER PUBLISHED: 20:12 EST, 22 April 2013 | UPDATED: 05:02 EST, 23 April 2013
Seriously. I don't see why the legitimate questions have to be reserved exclusively for events that already have a public explanation. I want to know what was going on there.
Miller: Tsarnaev Brothers Killed MIT Officer Because They Needed A Gun April 23, 2013 12:48 PM ... Miller said there are still several unanswered questions about the murder of MIT police office Sean Collier.
“The original question is they walked up to that car and appeared they shot the officer in the head unprovoked, that it was an assassination. But why? How did that fit into their plan? The operating theory now in the investigation is they were short one gun. The older brother had a gun. They wanted to get a gun for the younger brother and the fastest and most efficient way they could think of doing it was a surprise attack on a cop, to take his weapon and go. Officer Collier had a locking holster, it’s like a three-way lock. If you don’t know how to remove the gun, you’re not going to get it out. There was apparently an attempt to yank it and they couldn’t get it and left. “
Boston Bombing Suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev Reported Killed, Was Alive When Detained: Tamerlan’s Aunt
As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family. Members of the alternative media with the resources and the ability to provide protective watch over family members, seems a prudent measure to both protect innocent lives and to further pursue the truth.
The FBI Has Now Lied Big, TWICE
The FBI originally feigned ignorance over the identity of the two Boston bombing suspects, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, as they appealed to an unwitting public to help them “identify” and “find” the suspects.
The Tsarnaev brothers’ family, immediately after their identities were confirmed by Boston police and the FBI, claimed that the FBI had contacted the suspects years ago and had monitored their activity for years since. The mother of the suspects claimed to Russia Today that her sons were set up by the FBI. Russia Today, in an article titled, “They were set up, FBI followed them for years’- Tsarnaevs’ mother to RT,” stated of the suspects’ mother:
But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.
She would say of the FBI to Russia Today:
“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”
“I strongly believe they were just puppets and executors of something of bigger scale.”
“There certainly were mentors. I was shocked when I heard his words, his phrases, when every other word he starts sticking in words of God. I question what he’s doing for work, (and) he claimed he would just put everything in the will of God. It was a big concern to me. He called me ‘confused’ when I started explaining to him, make yourself useful to yourself and to your family and maybe you’ll have extra to share with everybody else.
“It wasn’t devotion, it was something, as it’s called, being radicalized. Not understanding what he is talking (about). He is just using words for the sake of the words and not understanding the meaning of it.’’
CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.
The FBI would then be forced to concede that indeed it had interviewed the suspects, in 2011, two years before the Boston bombings. Finally disclosed on April 19, 2013 in an official statement that can be found on FBI.gov the FBI would state:
The two individuals believed to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday have been positively identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, now deceased, and Dzhokar Tsarnaev, now in custody. These individuals are brothers and residents of Massachusetts. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a legal permanent resident and Dzhokar Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Charges have not yet been filed against Dzhokar Tsarnaev and he is presumed innocent.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, age 26, was previously designated as Suspect 1, wearing a black hat. Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev, age 19, was designated as Suspect 2, wearing a white hat. Both were born in Kyrgyzstan.
Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.
In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.
However, the case was not “closed,” as the FBI claims. It is now revealed that the “foreign government” that asked the FBI for information on Tamerlan Tsarnaev was Russia, and that Russia again contacted the FBI 6 months ago after the suspect traveled to Russia’s Caucasus region and was apparently in contact with terrorists, long-revealed to be supported, funded, and coddled by the US.
Speculation is growing that one of the Boston bombers met a known Jihadist terrorist in 2011 – as it emerged the FBI failed to follow up on a Russian tip that he was seen with an Islamic militant six times.
The Daily Mail would also report that:
The FBI has confirmed that Russia alerted the agency in 2011 that Tsarnaev had ties to ‘radical Islam’ groups in his homeland. Homeland Security sources have also revealed the agency received tips in 2012 about his ties to extremists connected to a Boston mosque.
The FBI is confirmed to be serial liars engaged in a coverup, revealing information about its long-standing relationship with the Boston bombing suspects only when cornered by a mounting body of evidence. Inconceivable then, that the US government and the American public have entrusted the investigation of the Boston bombings to the FBI who is clearly obstructing justice.
Now more than ever, crowd-sourced investigation must be conducting into photographs and video that may reveal the true events that transpired before and after the Boston Marathon bombings. Journalists across the alternative media must interview and draw public attention to the suspects’ family in order to protect them and bring to light any information that may reveal the true nature of the increasingly suspicious relationship the FBI had with the suspects for years prior to the bombings.
Saving the Ship – Establishment Using “Double Agents,” “Islamophobia” to “Seal Off” Compromised Operation
Already the establishment, like a ship striking an iceberg and taking on water, is racing around to compartmentalize and seal off each agency and political faction involved to keep the rest of the establishment afloat. The FBI’s attempt to feign ignorance has failed, and it appears that at least Israeli sources are trying to prepare ahead of time for revelations that may indeed reveal the suspects were working directly for the FBI.
The conclusion reached by debkafile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian. Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.
A more likely explanation, however, is that the FBI led the suspects along in yet another manufactured terror attack that was allowed to go “live.” The FBI has an extensive history (see: NYT: FBI Hatches Terror Plots) of not only providing targets with weapons, explosives, vehicles and plans engineered from start to finish by undercover FBI agents, but has also allowed these operations to go “live,” as was seen in New York City in 1993 during the World Trade Center bombing.
FBI agents, according to the New York Times, were indeed overseeing the bombers that detonated a device killing six and wounding many more at the World Trade Center. In their article, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast,” NYT reported:
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars.
Debka is attempting to preempt what would essentially be the revealing of the US-Saudi-Israeli international false-flag/terror racket, used to perpetuate a global hegemonic war that has produced for all those involved trillions of dollars in profits and unprecedented geopolitical preeminence. Operations where this true axis of terror is currently running, such as the ongoing sectarian bloodbath in Syria, would be endangered, if not entirely foiled, should the Boston bombings be traced directly back to an FBI false-flag operation.
Failing to spin the FBI’s involvement as either an intelligence failure or explained away by “double agents,” the faux-right is preparing to pry off the the entire faux-left, using its Islamophobia-racket to play out the “Obama the Muslim” narrative (see: “”Obama the Muslim:” Ploy to Cover-up Years of US-Al Qaeda Support“). By doing so, at least half of the establishment’s “ship” will remain afloat in the wake of revelations the US killed and horribly maimed its own citizens in a false flag operation.
While America’s political establishment appears to be divided neatly into “left” and “right” camps, in reality, a singular corporate-financier oligarchy runs a singular agenda, compartmentalized for just these sort of situations. Lies regarding “weapons of mass destruction” and a horrific 10 year war that left millions dead, maimed, displaced or otherwise effected, can be jettisoned with the Bush Administration. And while the arming and funding of Al Qaeda occurred throughout the Bush Administration, it appears that the establishment is preparing to jettison US support for Al Qaeda with the Obama Administration.
It is essential to understand and identify the corporate-financier interests that rise above partisan politics and have profited from the continued “War on Terror” under both the Bush and Obama Administrations. It is then essential to understand the key to undermining and ultimately throwing off this insidious co-opt of America, its people, and its destiny, is to boycott and replace permanently with local alternatives, the corporate-financier interests behind it.
I hadn't seen this yet and thought it was fantastic analysis. Thanks for sharing, KeenInsight!
It's so much worse than I thought he had it in him to be that I'm shocked. This especially:
(I should note that the comment the poster appended to the Youtube video reads: "Boston Bombing Lessons: Martial Law Doesn't Work," with a link to this. As I would hope regular readers here realize, this analysis is exactly ass backwards. "Martial law doesn't work"? But surely, that depends on what the goal is, does it not? If the goal was control and ensuring obedience -- and it was -- it worked splendidly.
When you're linking to an article saying that apart from a few warrantless searches, the public's civil liberties were respected during the first Red Scare,*** which was a greater security threat,**** that's the least of your problems. ________________
***Among other things: People were deported. Executed. Purged from public office. Both the Sedition Act and the Espionage Act were passed. Speaking out against war was effectively outlawed. And martial law was actually, non-figuratively imposed.
**** From the article linked to:
The reaction of Massachusetts's state and federal officials to the Boston Marathon bombings — two black powder bombs with nails and ball bearings that killed three people — can be contrasted with the wave of 125 nearly identical bombings, technologically speaking, that took place across America in major U.S. cities during the 1917-20 "Red Scare." The differences are that many more were killed 100 years ago, top U.S. government officials were targeted (including the U.S. Attorney General and judges) back then, and the federal government did not shut down entire cities. Although the period is known as the "Red Scare," the genuine security threat was greater than the threat authorities responded to in Boston. And with the exception of a set of warrantless searches by the Justice Department's Bureau of Investigation (later the FBI) under J. Edgar Hoover, the public's liberties were respected.
When you're talking about the "genuine security threat" posed by "the period known as the "Red Scare"," you're not just talking about the Galleanist bombings.
And anyone who does it in an article in the present in The New American shortly after invoking the specter of posse comitatus is talking about this:
I'd have expected Silber to know better.
I mean, could he not find a copy of that video that didn't link to The New (f-ing) American?
“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him.” -- Rand Paul
As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family.
Alternatively, a number of inconsistencies are becoming apparent as regards statements by the family, and protection must be provided for the truth.
In the first interview with Ruslan Tsarni a few days ago, he seemed quite credible to me, for example, but this has since changed. Initially, he said that the last time he saw the brothers was in 2005; now, he says it was 2009. Initially, he said that the brothers perpetrated this act because the brothers felt "hatred to those who were able to settle themselves" and that "anything else to do with religion, with Islam — it's a fraud," and that "they've never been in Chechnya"; now, he says the brothers were "radicalized."
This was a bit difficult to understand, since the uncle sounded so confident the other day when he called his nephew's "losers" and made several other assertions with such certainty. Now he seems to be saying some different things. I'm wondering why — especially as regards the last time he says he saw them.
So details appear to be changing from other sources, not only on the part of the authorities.
Oh, by the way, CNN is reporting that the man charged in the ricin-tainted letters case has just been released from federal custody.
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
It's actually flabbergasting how wrong-headed, hysterical, ahistorical and idiotic his editorial is.
compared2what? wrote:
Jerky wrote:Silber's take is idiotic.
It's so much worse than I thought he had it in him to be that I'm shocked. This especially:
(I should note that the comment the poster appended to the Youtube video reads: "Boston Bombing Lessons: Martial Law Doesn't Work," with a link to this. As I would hope regular readers here realize, this analysis is exactly ass backwards. "Martial law doesn't work"? But surely, that depends on what the goal is, does it not? If the goal was control and ensuring obedience -- and it was -- it worked splendidly.
When you're linking to an article saying that apart from a few warrantless searches, the public's civil liberties were respected during the first Red Scare,*** which was a greater security threat,**** that's the least of your problems. ________________
***Among other things: People were deported. Executed. Purged from public office. Both the Sedition Act and the Espionage Act were passed. Speaking out against war was effectively outlawed. And martial law was actually, non-figuratively imposed.
**** From the article linked to:
The reaction of Massachusetts's state and federal officials to the Boston Marathon bombings — two black powder bombs with nails and ball bearings that killed three people — can be contrasted with the wave of 125 nearly identical bombings, technologically speaking, that took place across America in major U.S. cities during the 1917-20 "Red Scare." The differences are that many more were killed 100 years ago, top U.S. government officials were targeted (including the U.S. Attorney General and judges) back then, and the federal government did not shut down entire cities. Although the period is known as the "Red Scare," the genuine security threat was greater than the threat authorities responded to in Boston. And with the exception of a set of warrantless searches by the Justice Department's Bureau of Investigation (later the FBI) under J. Edgar Hoover, the public's liberties were respected.
When you're talking about the "genuine security threat" posed by "the period known as the "Red Scare"," you're not just talking about the Galleanist bombings.
And anyone who does it in an article in the present in The New American shortly after invoking the specter of posse comitatus is talking about this:
I'd have expected Silber to know better.
I mean, could he not find a copy of that video that didn't link to The New (f-ing) American?
Also, I agree that the Silber piece was bad — surprisingly bad.
"The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego."
As an increasing number of inconsistencies and outright lies accumulate regarding the FBI’s handling of the case, protection must be provided to the suspects’ family.
Alternatively, a number of inconsistencies are becoming apparent as regards statements by the family, and protection must be provided for the truth.
In the first interview with Ruslan Tsarni a few days ago, he seemed quite credible to me, for example, but this has since changed. Initially, he said that the last time he saw the brothers was in 2005; now, he says it was 2009. Initially, he said that the brothers perpetrated this act because the brothers felt "hatred to those who were able to settle themselves" and that "anything else to do with religion, with Islam — it's a fraud," and that "they've never been in Chechnya"; now, he says the brothers were "radicalized."
This was a bit difficult to understand, since the uncle sounded so confident the other day when he called his nephew's "losers" and made several other assertions with such certainty. Now he seems to be saying some different things. I'm wondering why — especially as regards the last time he says he saw them.
So details appear to be changing from other sources, not only on the part of the authorities.
Oh, by the way, CNN is reporting that the man charged in the ricin-tainted letters case has just been released from federal custody.
