Huge explosion in Oslo

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Found this on the aangirfanblog Tazmic linked to, picture of "loner" Anders Breivink:

[Stephen Morgan]

1) What's going on in the background of that picture?
2) How did the Daily Mail come to think they possessed the copyright on that picture?
3) I'm a loner and even I know that many people. Although I don't think any photographs exist of me with any other living being. Also, the profusion of drinks before them implies that they have been intoxicating themselves, which serves to lessen social inhibitions, for example making one more sociable with that sort of people.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Yeah it's from a skivacation in norway in 2005. Just seems hard to imagine he was planning all this even back then, he looks so happy and normal. Not saying you can tell by just looking at someone.. there's another pic of christmas where he looks more sinister:



Look at that bronze cup or whatever it is ont the table, how it seems to have a white edge where it's in front of Anders leg. What's going on there?

[barracuda]

2) How did the Daily Mail come to think they possessed the copyright on that picture?

That picture first appeared in the Daily Mail last weekend, so they may have purchased it. From who, I don't know. A girlfriend, or one of his other friends? Not from his mother, I would think. They both look as if they were snapped by a cameraman who was photographing a scrapbook.

[DrEvil]

Just a couple of things about this story:

Here is a persuasive essay on the terror attack being a Gladio operation to bring Norway "in line" with the transnational oligarchy's objectives.

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-en ... orld-order

Oslo: Down to the New World Order

Submitted by Richard Cottrell on Mon, 2011-07-25 19:56
Author bio:
Richard Cottrell

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Relations with Israel are up in lights too. Israeli companies and interests are not welcome and just before the bombings, two Israeli firms were thrown out of the country.

Not really. But they were removed from our sovereign wealth fund for among other things selling surveillance equipment for the Israeli wall in Palestine.
The fund has ethical guidelines that decides what it can invest in or not, so no companies that build nukes, cluster bombs, land mines, sell surveillance equipment to illegal walls, smash unions (wal-mart) etc. are allowed.

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It is no co-incidence whatsoever that starting about eighteen months ago, the US and NATO began planting interlopers in the Norwegian police, security agencies and the military.

Hmm. Never heard of this actually. Anyone got any more info on this?
There was a big mess about a year ago when someone discovered that the American embassy had hired retired Norwegian cops to sit in a loft across from the embassy and keep tabs on any suspicious people they saw. This also happened in Denmark and Sweden, and has been going on since around 2000 (before 911).
The official story is that they had clearance to do it from Norwegian police back then, but whoever authorized it "forgot" to tell it to whoever got their job next, so "nobody" in the police knew about it when it was exposed last year.

And one other thing from another article here, about 6 people being arrested in Breiviks apartment. That's wrong. They were arrested at a different address (a garage somewhere in Oslo I think) and released with no charges.

[Peachtree Pam]

@Dr Evil
Here are some more details about recruiting retired policemen in Norway, written by Webster Tarpley who is controversial but has good sources and investigators.

http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-te ... alse-flag/

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It is no co-incidence whatsoever that starting about eighteen months ago, the US and NATO began planting interlopers in the Norwegian police, security agencies and the military.

Hmm. Never heard of this actually. Anyone got any more info on this?

http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/

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Are SIMAS Surveillance Detection Units the New Gladio for Norway?

US and NATO intelligence have been shown to possess extraordinary capabilities inside Norway, many of which may be operating outside of the control of the Norwegian government. In early November 2010, the Oslo television channel TV2 exposed the existence of an extensive network of paid assets and informants of US intelligence recruited from the ranks of retired police and other officials. The ostensible goal of this program was the surveillance of Norwegians who were taking part in demonstrations and other activities critical of the United States and its policies. One of the Norwegians recruited was the former chief of the anti-terror section of the Oslo police.7 Although the goal was supposedly merely surveillance, it is possible to imagine some other and far more sinister activities that could be carried out by such a network of retired cops, including the identification and subversion of rotten apples on the active-duty police force. Some of the capabilities of a network of this type would not be totally alien to the sort of events that have just occurred in Norway.

The official name for the type of espionage cell which the United States was creating in Norway is Surveillance Detection Unit (SDU). The SDUs in turn operate within the framework of the Security Incident Management Analysis System (SIMAS). SIMAS is known to be used for spying and surveillance by US Embassies not just in the Nordic bloc of Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, but worldwide. The terror events also raise the question of whether SIMAS has an operational dimension. Could this apparatus represents a modern version of the Cold War stay behind networks set up in all NATO countries and best-known under the name of the Italian branch, Gladio?

The Norwegian government needs to find out. Thus far Norwegian ministers have asserted that they never approved the SIMAS network of SDUs. “We never knew about it,” claimed Norway’s Justice Minister Knut Storberget and Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre in chorus. Hillary Clinton stated instead that the Norwegians had been informed.
CIA’s Wikileaks Limited Hangout Has Rationale for Toppling Norway’s Government

Thanks to document dumps by the CIA limited hangout subsidiary generally known as Wikileaks, an obvious path for using the Norwegian terror attacks as a rationale for overthrowing the current government has already been provided. Real or doctored State Department cables obligingly made available by Wikileaks portray the Norwegian government which NATO hates as a collection of bunglers and misfits, unable to take effective measures to safeguard the national security of the country.

Some of these tables have been published in the immediate wake of the terror attacks by the London Daily Telegraph, a newspaper reputedly close to NATO intelligence circles. According to this article, while ‘talking about an attempt by the Police Security Service (PST) to track one particular suspected Al Qaeda terror cell, a cable written by the US Ambassador to Norway, Barry White, describes [how Norwegian authorities] … refused the help of the UK authorities to put surveillance on a potential suspect and adds: “Not only will they not put their own resources on him…but they also just turned down the visiting UK intel service’s offer of two twelve-person surveillance teams.” The cable goes on to say the UK and US intelligence services analyzed coded conversation between terror suspects and decided it warranted surveillance. But, says the cable, “PST instead found a way to interpret the same translated coded conversation in a rosier, less threatening light, an interpretation which makes little sense to the US or UK.”’ A catalog of even the most recent failures and fiascos of the FBI and the CIA in the so-called Global War on Terror would help to put these hypocritical judgments into proper perspective, but it would also be too voluminous to be appended here.

Another damaging particular appears made to order for an attempt to blame the alleged bungling of the Norwegian government for the Oslo bomb attack: ‘The memo also reveals how, despite apparently having surveillance on the suspect, the PST lost track of bomb-making equipment which was being stored in an apartment after it was apparently removed without investigators’ noticing. The PST then failed to track one suspect for 14 days because the investigator assigned to him was called away on another job. The memo concludes: “The PST is in over its head…it simply cannot keep up.”’

Another State Department memo dished up by Wikileaks, supposedly written in 2007… adds: “The official police (PST) threat evaluation…states that international terror organizations are not a direct threat against Norway. A memo written in 2008 shows how the US felt that Norway was not awake to the possibility of a potential terrorist attack. The cable reads: “We repeatedly press Norwegian authorities to take terrorism seriously. We will seek to build on this momentum to fight the still-prevalent feeling that terrorism happens elsewhere, not in peaceful Norway.” And a cable written just last year adds: “The PST still viewed Denmark as more of a target than Norway, for reasons very specific to the cartoon controversy.” 8

The government of Norway needs to go on the offensive and establish the whole truth of what has just occurred. Otherwise, that government is likely to succumb to the internationally orchestrated campaign which the Wikileaks documents so clearly foreshadow.

[vanlose kid]

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http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-te ... alse-flag/

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Thanks to document dumps by the CIA limited hangout subsidiary generally known as Wikileaks, an obvious path for using the Norwegian terror attacks as a rationale for overthrowing the current government has already been provided. Real or doctored State Department cables obligingly made available by Wikileaks portray the Norwegian government which NATO hates as a collection of bunglers and misfits, unable to take effective measures to safeguard the national security of the country.
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let me see:

1) Wikileaks dumps State department cables.
2) these cables are presumably written by State department employees.
3) these employees produce assessments of the Norwegian government that say they are "a collection of bunglers and misfits, unable to take effective measures to safeguard the national security of the country".
4) these assessments match Breikvik's own (see "manifesto").
5) this of course proves that Wikileaks is a CIA limited hangout.
6) and that the cable dump plus Breivik's attack provide "a rationale for overthrowing the current government".
7) because the leaked cables, i.e. the State assesments (see 3) and Breivik's attack prove the incompetence of the Norwegian government.
8) also the response to the attack's on Utoya were "extremely slow, bungled and infffective".
9) this of course further proves the incompetence of the Norwegians, and supports the State dept. assessment leaked by Wikileaks.
10) which again proves that the Wikileaks cable dump was part of a plot to prove the incompetence of the Norwegian government.
11) which again proves that the assessments made by State dept. regulars is top notch as always.
12) which again proves that the State dept. does an excellent job and that their assessments are worthy of trust.
13) all of which proves that Assange is working for the State dept. and the CIA.
14) and that the bungling response of the Norwegians was part of the plot to prove that Norwegians bungle.
15) which again proves that the State dept. assessment leaked by Wikileaks was correct.
16) so the Norwegians bungled or didn't bungle, either way, the State dept. has proof.
17) if the Norwegians did bungle they have proof that Norwegians are bunglers.
18) if the Norwegians didn't bungle, if it was a psyop, the point was to prove that Norwegians bungle.
19) whatever the case Breivik's attack showed that Norwegians bungle, which means the Breivik is working for the CIA just like Assange.
20) all of this was of course carried out by the CIA and State dept., to perfection
21) and this is of course proof, if proof is needed at this point, that the CIA and State dept., never bungle and control everything.

genius.

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[waugs]

I'm guessing that at least 10 more kids died because he moved the ferry off the grid

Heres another potential scenario.
The ferry crew wait for a full boat (calling people over?(the kids know the ferry is safe?)) and after awhile load up to the full 50.
Then along comes the shooter, massacres the whole lot, and thanks them for waiting up.
Seriously stickdog, you are not being very considerate.
Doubt they could of done much rescuing from the water either.
Besides being a giant target, the logistics appear quite difficult.

Exactly. The police, organization leaders and transportation operators need to leave the dirty work of saving the shot up and drowning kids to the computer geeks, German roofers and lesbian couples. How inconsiderate of me to suggest otherwise.

what's interesting is that I have not read one word from the geeks, german roofers or lesbian couple complaining about the police (or leaders') response. In fact, what i have read is that there is an outpouring of support from the Norwegian people for them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lives.html

"Cooperation with the police and rescue crews afterwards was very good, but it all came too late. The first time I was out I was all alone."

this is hardly a condemnation of the police and rescue crews' response. only of the length of time that it took, which was not necessarily the fault of the police or rescue crews.

You want so much to believe that there is a conspiracy here, but the evidence you've gathered is not adding up to that.

You are hilarious. Show me where I've ever claimed any conspiracy. Produce my claims of conspiracy.

The only thing that has me thinking conspiracy is the way I keep getting jumped for simply pointing out the obvious.

I'm hilarious? Should I just quote every one of your passages in this thread? What exactly are you arguing about then if not some sort of conspiracy on the part of the cops and rescue teams? Do you suddenly think that everyone acted promptly enough for you? Seriously, you're not making any sense.

You are NOT pointing out anything obvious. You are creating some sort of scenario in which victims of this shooter or shooters are cowards and that the police intentionally stalled. And based on what? Numerous timelines in which people didn't respond in a fast enough manner according to your unbelievably high standards.

and THEN you claim to be the victim in this in the same breath as attacking the people who helped save lives!

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Check out the foresight of this blogger:

Wednesday, 13 July 2011
Still loving it

I've just turned on my radio, so any second now I should hear the enchanting warbling of an ugly gargoyle lady informing me about the coming glory and...yes, there it is. For a while there it was someone else singing, which confused me. Probably a mistake by the station: including someone else on the playlist.

Meanwhile, back in the world of news, the Internationalists are still in trouble, which prompts me to believe in both better and Santa. The head honcho (publicly anyway, actually just a minion tool of others) has flown in - defibrillator and oxygen tank close to hand, as these people die old, unlike their victims - to limit the damage to his masters, but so far it doesn't seem to be working.

Can I suggest a terror outrage somewhere, possibly involving the Royal family, that will get things back on track, that is to say away from attention cast on them and back toward the Muslims where it belongs. They know all about the royals' travel arrangements, so it shouldn't be a problem.

And yes, I'm still loving it.

http://suraci.blogspot.com/2011/07/still-loving-it.html

[MacCruiskeen]

“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”

[stickdog99]

I'm hilarious? Should I just quote every one of your passages in this thread?

Yes, please. The thread would read far better if they were all gathered without interruption.

What exactly are you arguing about then if not some sort of conspiracy on the part of the cops and rescue teams? Do you suddenly think that everyone acted promptly enough for you?

So I can't be pissed at the cops picking their noses while dozens of kids died without advocating some sort of massive conspiracy?

You are NOT pointing out anything obvious. You are creating some sort of scenario in which victims of this shooter or shooters are cowards and that the police intentionally stalled. And based on what? Numerous timelines in which people didn't respond in a fast enough manner according to your unbelievably high standards.

I have never trashed a single victim. The 7 people who escaped the island on the ferry within 5 minutes of when the shooting began were not victims. They were selfish pricks whose unfathomable decision to drive the ferry as far north as humanly possible before finally docking cost some young people their lives.

Meanwhile, there was huge modern police station of that employs 350 people less than 20 minutes away from the shore opposite Utoya:



from which not a single cop even ever responded to a huge and desperate crisis in which dozens of kid were murdered for 78 minutes before any police finally arrived on the scene on a day that cops should have been on full alert for hours preceding the attack.

You can laud the police and the "victims" who absconded with the ferry all you want. I will continue to point out the obvious.

[vanlose kid]

Another couple of interesting questions in here....

http://wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/norw-j28.shtml

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According to his lawyer, Breivik himself was surprised that he was able to carry out the massacre on Otøya after exploding the bomb in Oslo. He expected to be killed immediately after the Oslo bombing. The ease and speed with which Breivik reached the island and put his terrorist plan into operation stands in marked contrast to time it took the police to make the same journey to apprehend him.

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why would Breivik be surprised about having gotten away with it if he was getting help from the inside?

if he was getting help from the inside and as some suggest is merely an innocent patsy who never ever shot anyone why did victims describe as being the killer? were the victims in on it too?

the plot thickens.

you have to wonder how many of the dead are really dead.

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[lupercal]

Another couple of interesting questions in here....

http://wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/norw-j28.shtml

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According to his lawyer, Breivik himself was surprised that he was able to carry out the massacre on Otøya after exploding the bomb in Oslo. He expected to be killed immediately after the Oslo bombing. The ease and speed with which Breivik reached the island and put his terrorist plan into operation stands in marked contrast to time it took the police to make the same journey to apprehend him.

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why would Breivik be surprised about having gotten away with it if he was getting help from the inside?

Note that the attorney is quoted, not Breivik, who to my knowledge has not spoken directly to the media, and if past is prologue, won't for some decades if ever. A good point of reference would be Bradley Manning.

if he was getting help from the inside and as some suggest is merely an innocent patsy who never ever shot anyone why did victims describe as being the killer? were the victims in on it too?

Have any survivors made such an identification, and if so, where?

the plot thickens.

you have to wonder how many of the dead are really dead.

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Oddly enough, the death toll has been a matter of some uncertainty, although the latest number appear to be 77, distributed I'm not sure how:

Norway attacks death toll rises to 77: police list
2011-07-30 01:01:37

OSLO, July 29 (Xinhua) -- The death toll from the twin attacks in Oslo a week ago rose to 77 from previously 76 on Friday, according to an updated victim name list provided by police.

The local police, who said have identified all those killed as well as the missing in the two deadly attacks, added 31 new names to the previously published list of 46, a leading Olso police official confirmed.

Norwegian police would also release an updated evaluation of threat made by extremists, said the official.

Earlier in the day, police interrogated the 32-year-old mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, whom they said was "cooperative and calm" in the process.

Several memorial services have been held in Norway and around the world in the week after the atrocity.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 018758.htm

[lupercal]

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genius.

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Let's call it evil genius, and it's nothing new to anyone who's been paying attention for the last few years. As to Tarpley's analysis, which I happen to agree with, from a purely nuts-and-bolts perspective it makes a lot more sense than the official tale of a gentle Norwegian who miraculously manages, sans special forces training or experience, to bomb central Oslo AND two hours later methodically execute 68+ Norwegians in 90 minutes because he hates Muslims. Also because his personal life bears an uncanny resemblance to the plot of an 1881 Ibsen play which hinges on the incurable disease of syphilis. Please.

[vanlose kid]

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genius.

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Let's call it evil genius, and it's nothing new to anyone who's been paying attention for the last few years. As to Tarpley's analysis, which I happen to agree with, from a purely nuts-and-bolts perspective it makes a lot more sense than the official tale of a gentle Norwegian who miraculously manages, sans special forces training or experience, to bomb central Oslo AND two hours later methodically execute 68+ Norwegians in 90 minutes because he hates Muslims. Also because his personal life bears an uncanny resemblance to the plot of an 1881 Ibsen play which hinges on the incurable disease of syphilis. Please.

i know, right? pure unadulterated genius. and Webster Tarpley's analysis... man, that mind, so swift and sure-footed. i'm already thinking about buying his definitive account of Breivik and the attacks. it'll probably be out sometime next week. as for literary models. i've already gotten hold of the galley proof of the first sentence: "It was a dark and stormy night..." you being you, i guess you already know what Tarpley's going to use as a model for titillating and uncanny resemblance.

clue.

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