#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby ninakat » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:50 pm

N8wide wrote:
Peter Joseph of the Zeitgeist films embraced (I think he still does) the Venus Project, but it's just a little bit too utopian and unrealistic in my view. OK, it's way too utopian and seems almost cult-like. It could probably work for the 1% while the rest of us lived in squalor or simply died off. The idea of abundance of everything (especially energy), and a sustainable way of living that looks like this (see picture below) for 7 billion people? Delusional. Hey, but you can't say Jacque Fresco isn't a dreamer.


Thank you for the additional information, after about a half an hour of research, I too was thinking cult-like. I do think he makes some good points with his "Resource based economy" ideology, but utopian indeed. I had a bizarre feeling the whole time I watched the videos. :roll:


You're welcome. Yeah, it's pretty out there. The Jetsons seems as plausible.

And, what Wombaticus and undead said.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:54 pm

I left my sign at home today and grabbed the camera again.

Here's Cenk from The Young Turks.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Laodicean » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:04 pm

Cross posting this from the Tim DeChristopher: No Mercy...Join Me thread. We heard you, Tim.

Exclusive: Interview With Jailed Climate Activist Tim DeChristopher

POSTED: OCTOBER 19, 3:30 PM ET | By JEFF GOODELL RollingStone

Lots of people talk about how committed they are to taking action to solve the climate crisis – but few people have as much skin in the game as Tim DeChristopher. Last July 26, DeChristopher was sentenced to two years in federal prison for disrupting a federal auction for oil and gas leases back in 2008. He spent a few days in the county jail before being moved to a private prison in Nevada. Now he’s doing time at Herlong Federal Correctional Institute, a medium-security prison in Northern California. If all goes well, he will be released on April 21, 2013. DeChristopher has limited access to the phone, but I was able to reach him the other night and talk with him about his life behind bars, as well as what the emergence of the Occupy protests mean for the climate and environmental movement.

How are you holding up?

I feel like I’m doing pretty well. I get a lot of time to just read and reflect and write letters, and I feel like I’m recharging myself, and refocusing. I just finished reading Nelson Mandela’s autobiography A Long Walk to Freedom.

What’s your living situation like?

It’s a big open room. It’s like a cubicle instead of a cell, with seven-foot walls around it. We have a desk, a chair, a couple of lockers. I have a job working in food service for breakfast and lunch – that takes up about two hours of my time each day. I’m finished with that shortly after breakfast, which is at 6 a.m. Then I usually walk a couple of miles as the sun is coming up. Then I read for a while. Lunch is at 10:30. In the afternoon, I work out. Then more reading and writing. Then I take a walk again around sunset. That's about it.

Are you able to keep up with the news from the outside world?

Yeah, they keep the TV news on here pretty often. And I’m able to get magazine subscriptions, and other folks here get the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, so I am able to read those.

What's your take on the Occupy Wall Street protests?

It’s been very exciting to watch. It’s one of the most promising developments we’ve had in a long time in this country. Most of the things that activists have done for as long as I’ve been involved have been very contained, very controlled. This is the first time in a long time that we’ve had protests that no one person or one group is really controlling or pulling the strings on – and that’s part of why the Establishment is so scared of it.

Environmental and climate activists have tried to organize major protests that command people’s attention but have largely failed. Why has Occupy Wall Street succeeded?

I haven’t seen the environmental movement try this kind of thing. I’ve never seen an environmental group launch something that didn’t have an end-date or that they couldn’t completely control. Nobody knows if anyone in the environmental moment could have done anything like this, because most of the leaders in the movement were too afraid to try. That’s really a lot of what has defined the strategy of the environmental movement for the past decade or so – it’s the fear of making a mistake.

So what are lessons in this for the climate movement?

I think what’s important is that these protests are not one-day actions. From the perspective of those in power, when there is a one-day action, no matter how big it is, no matter how many towns it’s in all across the country, those politicians or executives know that all they have to do is keep their head down for that one day and it will pass by, the news cycle will move on, and everyone will forget about it. But this is something that’s not going away, and that’s also what’s inspiring people to join in.

It’s hard not to contrast the Occupy protests with the demonstrations in Washington D.C. against the Keystone pipeline last summer. The Keystone action was very buttoned-down, very respectable. That’s not at all what is happening here – there’s lots of anger on display.

That’s true – and it’s true about the Left in general. And I think it’s why the Tea Party had so much success – they were the only ones expressing outrage about where the country is heading. They didn’t have any intellectual argument to back it up, but they were the only ones who were expressing the way that people were actually feeling – which was pretty angry. So a lot of people followed them, not with their heads, but with their hearts. And I think that’s something that is often missing on the Left.

So in your view, what does the climate movement need to do right now?

I don’t know – campaign for Jon Huntsman? [laughs]. I actually think he would be far better on climate issues than Obama. (I don’t think I had hopes of radical change from Obama, but even so, he has been phenomenally disappointing, especially on climate change.)

But a big part of what the climate movement needs to do is get behind the Occupy protests. Everybody in the activist world is looking for that soft-spot. Everyone is charging the wall, and most people get repelled. Most actions don’t really go anywhere because they run up against that hard wall. The Occupy protests have hit a soft spot. They have found that little crack. And now they are pushing, and they are making that crack grow. The rest of us need to keep pushing and break that hole in the wall.

One of the things that’s been made clear in the last few years is that we’re not going to deal appropriately with the climate crisis under the system of corporate rule that we have right now. We can’t deal with the climate crisis without overthrowing that corporate rule – and hopefully the Occupy protests can hold out until we do that and establish a democratic government in this country. Because that’s what it’s going to take, not just to deal with the climate crisis and reduce emissions, but also to try to prepare for the inevitable changes that we’re already on track for. I think we have to return power to the citizens if we’re going to have any hope of holding on to our humanity through the rough period that is inevitably ahead.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Nordic » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:59 am

Thanks for all your great photos, Bruce. Every time you're there, you're my representative. And you're representing countless thousands like me.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:44 am

An amazing thread with amazing photos. Thank you so much everyone who is contributing. There are so many inspiring signs and slogans. I love slogans when they are not used in the service of corporate greed. I love maxims and aphorisms too.

This is homegrown media.

We all do it for each other, write and read and photo and post and research and so on.

No one gets paid.

We all get far more interesting and entertaining and inspiring and visionary education and entertainment on this forum than anywhere else.

We massively enrich each other. Who gets paid? Who gets the taxes? Who funds the standing armies? Where is the money?

Freely create!

Freely give!

Freely receive!

Understand your needs are small. Food, shelter, companions, the infinite world of human thought. All are to be found free in the world, you know. And love! God is love, you know.

And fellowship too, a form of love. We gather in the name of Man, the Common One. Don't we? To celebrate that we are the same, yet different? It's a miracle.

Super rambling mode today!

Yesterday I walked home along the sunlit pavement, looking down at the concrete below (you always have to watch out for dog you-know-what, round 'ere. Blinkin' dogs. I don't like 'em, I don't even care whether they have buddha nature or not.) I breathed deep and thought not, yet a song and words began to form first in my head, then on my tongue; "When the Moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars..." I looked up, and saw a man. In his hand was a bright full bottle of water, shining clear in the morning Sun. I smiled at him and continued my song.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:00 am

!TYT! -it looks like he might be talking to Sam Seder, but from the angle I can't say for sure.

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Occupy Wall Street And Anonymous: Turning A Fledgling Movement Into A Meme
10/20/11 01:31 PM ET

Two weeks ago, Cornel West, Princeton professor and activist, showed up at a tent city erected by Occupy Wall Street protesters across the street from the Federal Reserve building in Boston. As he finished delivering an impromptu speech, a man who had been standing off to the side leaned in and gave him a hug. He was in his mid-thirties, with gray-dusted hair, a round face and dimples. Most people who witnessed this moment probably didn't think anything of it -- but then, most people aren't familiar with the faces of the online movement known Anonymous.

The man was Gregg Housh, an Internet technology consultant and one of the few people associated with Anonymous whose real name is known to the public. Housh occupies a special place in Anonymous lore. In 2008, he was among a small group of "Anons" who came up with the idea of releasing a video that declared war on the Church of Scientology, which in turn led to thousands of people protesting outside of Scientology centers around the world and heralded the moment when Anonymous first coalesced into something resembling a political movement.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby N8wide » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:29 am

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby N8wide » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:33 am

Nordic wrote:Thanks for all your great photos, Bruce. Every time you're there, you're my representative. And you're representing countless thousands like me.


I agree, I keep returning to see what new shots he has captured, better than anything I have seen anywhere else! #gratitude

Thank you Bruce

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:36 am

Homeless anti-Semite was around long before Occupy
A man being used to tar Occupy Wall Street as anti-Semitic has long trolled the financial district -VIDEO

Topics:Occupy Wall Street, Anti-Semitism
Right-wing pundits and Republican Party figures are continuing their attempt to smear the Occupy Wall Street movement as anti-Semitic, but we now have more evidence that the charge is profoundly dishonest.

To review: the Emergency Committee for Israel (which, it turns out, is funded by Wall Street) released an ad last week claiming that Occupy Wall Street is shot through with anti-Semitism, and demanding that Democrats condemn the protests. That attack has now been picked up by various pundits and GOP officials. The Republican National Committee started using the line against Democrats Wednesday. The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin inevitably piled on. Fox News is all over the story.

Exhibit A in the ad (watch it below) is a sign-bearing man who yells that “Jews control Wall Street!” Now, as I’ve previously reported, Occupy protesters have taken to surrounding the man, who gave his name to me recently as David Smith, with rebuttal signs, including one that reads, “Asshole —>”. Smith has been hanging around Zuccotti Park nearly every day for a couple of weeks.
But as Josh Nathan-Kazis reports at the Forward, Smith started carrying anti-Semitic signs around the financial district long before Occupy Wall Street existed:
Occupy Wall Street’s most visible anti-Semite was picketing the Financial District long before Zuccotti Park was occupied. …
During a trip to Zuccotti Park to observe the early stages of the protest on September 19, two days after activists first set up camp there, the Forward’s Nate Lavey and I watched as Smith entered the plaza with his cardboard sign, was confronted by one vocal passerby, and then was chased out of the occupied plaza by a shouting mob of activists. Police eventually intervened to separate him from the crowd.
Smith is a familiar face to those of us who work downtown. The Forward office is a few blocks from Wall Street, and I saw him at least once earlier this summer, picketing silently near the New York Stock Exchange.
That account matches the widespread hostility I’ve observed among occupiers against Smith. Given that Occupy Wall Street is based in a public space, occupiers simply don’t have the power to permanently kick Smith out. Of course anti-Semitism needs to be confronted when it crops up. And that’s exactly what the true occupiers have been doing.
Smith, according to a recent interview, is homeless and going blind from glaucoma. He previously told me that he made a sign reading “Google: Zionists Control Wall St.” because God told him to. And yet, as Nathan-Kazis notes, Smith has been endlessly written about, photographed and filmed. He now represents Occupy’s “anti-Semitism problem.”
Another man featured in the Emergency Committee for Israel ad is Danny Cline, who appears to be an aspiring YouTube star with no involvement in Occupy Wall Street beyond showing up at the park to film his own rants.
The reality is that the Occupy Wall Street movement is filled with Jews. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency recently noted its distinctly “Jewish flavor.” Fifteen hundred people attended a Yom Kippur service outside Liberty Plaza earlier this month, in what participants described as one of the most powerful and moving events of Occupy to date.
Still, the “Occupy Wall Street is anti-Semitic” meme — a classic example of a tactic known as “nutpicking” — spreads. Don’t expect the fact that all this is largely based on two or three trolls to stop the right from continuing the attacks.
Here’s that Emergency Committee for Israel ad:

And here’s video from the park on Yom Kippur:

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A Few Bits of Advice for National Public Radio:
Hey, there, NPR. Rude Pundit here. First-time caller. In the Big Apple, WNYC, one of your flagship stations, is having a fund drive. The Rude Pundit's been a continuous contributor for a few years now, mainly due to his unrequited crush on Terry Gross. But he feels invested enough to offer you a couple of pieces of advice as you go along.

First off, can you please tell your on-air fundraisers to stop comparing the cost of supporting a single public radio station to the cost of cable TV. You know what the difference is? If Garrison Keillor appears on one's TV, one can change the channel.

Okay, that's a minor annoyance. Let's move on to something bigger, like:

Could you stop being such acquiescent little bitches to the fucking assholes of right-wing blogging blabbery? (You might wanna put your finger on the bleep button.) Seriously, allowing your corporate agenda to be set by Andrew Breitbart is like allowing your balls to be waxed by chimpanzee.

Because between Ron Schiller bullshit and now this firing of Lisa Simeone, you've pretty much put your nuts in Bonzo's paw. Simeone is the host of one program, World of Opera, and she used to also host Soundprint before NPR forced the station that produced it to shitcan her once it came out that Simeone was doing some speaking about the October 11 movement in DC (which is associated with Occupy Wall Street). Breitbart and Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller (motto: "Well, what the fuck else is Tucker Carlson gonna do?") called her a "spokesperson" for the movement, which is true if you mean she's a person who sometimes spoke about it. But not on NPR.

Now, you can say, NPR, that you have an ethics policy that applies to everyone. It reads in one part, "NPR journalists may not participate in marches and rallies involving causes or issues that NPR covers." Except since when the fuck is the opera chick a journalist? And, you know, does that mean no NPR on-air personnel could attend, say, Jon Stewart's rally last October? And her other show, Soundprint? This week, it's about Edmund Hillary. Unless his skull is occupying DC, then who the fuck cares what Simeone's involved in in her free time?

And if the opera chick's a journalist, does that mean that NPR personnel cannot attend the opera because it's being covered by one of your journalists? Your code also says, "NPR journalists may sit on community advisory boards, educational institution trustee boards, boards of religious organizations or boards of nonprofit organizations so long as NPR does not normally cover them." So if Diane Rehm is on the board of an opera company, is she in violation? And let's not even get into the ethical dilemma of Mara Liasson appearing regularly on Fox "news." That's like a fucking in-kind donation to the Republican Party.

Mostly, though, what's it say about you, NPR, that the moment the slightest bit of controversy is voiced about anything, you immediately back down? From back during the Bush II administration, when you decided you needed more conservative commentary in order to appease those who said you were the liberalest of the liberal media (which led to some of the most embarrassing sputum ever aired on All Things Considered), to the Juan Williams nonsense to this, it just seems like the path of least resistance is also the path of least self-respect.

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In Sign Of Global Influence, Chinese Officials Cracking Down On Occupy Wall Street Coverage | When the Occupy Wall Street protests started last month, Chinese state media blasted the U.S. media for its poor coverage of the events. Yet as the Financial Times reports, now that the protests are spreading and igniting global unrest, Chinese censors are cracking down on coverage. “A magazine to which I am a contributor has received a notice from regulators saying that it must not carry any content regarding Occupy Wall Street,” said journalism professor Hu Jong. A handful of occupation-style protests have popped up in China, and it’s possible that Chinese government officials fear that their own citizens will soon begin protests like those in Zuccotti Park.

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China: Occupy Wall St gets too close
October 21, 2011 11:25 am by Kathrin Hille.

When Occupy Wall Street was no more than an obscure little protest in New York, the Chinese state media were really intrigued by the movement. China Daily, the country’s largest English-language daily newspaper, blasted the Western media for allegedly hushing up the news. Over the past month, Communist party mouthpieces and nationalist tabloids have relished the chance to bash the West and lecture America.

But now that the protests have spread around the world and appear to be morphing into a movements against many things including ruthless capitalism, corruption, inequality and the arrogance of power, China’s rulers have apparently decided that this is getting too close to home.
Media outlets have received a gag order on the topic, according to a prominent media expert. “A magazine to which I am a contributor has received a notice from regulators saying that it must not carry any content regarding Occupy Wall Street,” said Hu Yong, a journalism professor at Peking University and one of the foremost experts on social media in China, on Twitter.

Although reports and discussion of the topic can still be easily found online, print media and television have indeed noticeably reduced reporting and commentary since the beginning of the week, and apparently completely stopped covering the topic on Thursday.

The concern among party propaganda officials is not surprising. Defining a ‘correct’ ideological message is often difficult given that the country’s messy economic and social reality, with its aggressive entrepreneurs, greed, weak social security network and labour standards and huge income gap often resembles a caricature of capitalism more closely than communism.

It is therefore almost unthinkable for China’s media to thunder like North Korea’s state news agency did on Thursday, praising the protests as the “stern judgment of millions of people” of a capitalist system where the “popular masses” suffer from “exploitation, oppression, unemployment and poverty.”

In China, there had already been some small-scale expressions of solidarity with the anti-Wall Street movement with a sit-in of elderly people in the Central Chinese city of Zhengzhou, and widespread debate online making the connection to corrupt officials and greedy state enterprises.

Reporting bans are an everyday affair in China, as is mockery of them online. It’s no different with the latest one. “At this time, where is Chen Weihua, the deputy editor of the US edition of China Daily who wrote ‘The US media blackout of protest is shameful’? asked Hu on Twitter. “Where are Zhen Yan and Xiao Gang, the editorial writers of Beijing Daily who wrote ‘Here we can’t find ‘press freedom’, we can’t find ‘objectivity and fairness’’?

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby beeline » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:34 pm

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Cantor Cancels Income Inequality Speech After Learning It Will Be Open To The Public

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has abruptly canceled a speech planned for this afternoon at the University of Pennsylvania that was meant to lay out the GOP’s plans to address income inequality. While the university gave no reason for the cancellation, CNN is reporting that Cantor canceled after the university decided to make the speech open to the public. Cantor had signed up for a “selected audience.” The speech was seen as a response to the 99 Percent movement, and Occupy Philadelphia had organized a march from City Hall to the school. The march will still go on, as one of the the messages was that he refused to meet with his constituents to talk about jobs.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:26 pm

Survivor and author Janet Thomas, is offering a special Occupy deal through her publisher. Go Janet!

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WTO Meets Occupy Wall Street

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The Battle in Seattle

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Today’s blog is by Janet Thomas, author of The Battle in Seattle: The Story Behind and Beyond the WTO Demonstrations and Day Breaks over Dharamsala: A Memoir of Life Lost and Found. Thomas has written plays about abortion, sexual abuse, nuclear war, the Vietnam War, and the war against the environment, books about hostel travel in the West, and she’s been editor of a magazine about spas around the world. She lives and teaches on San Juan Island in Washington State.

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In November 1999, 60,000 people poured out of nowhere to occupy the streets of WTO Seattle on behalf of global social, environmental, and economic justice. It was a week of shock and awe when farmers, union workers, students, teachers, pilots, economists, environmentalists, faith leaders, indigenous people, office workers, human rights activists, writers, musicians, artists, turtles and the rest of us showed up from the far reaches of the planet. We stunned the world and one another. Nobody saw it coming. There was no social media; there were no smart phones; cell phones were few and expensive; and the Web was not yet research-reliable.

The organization of WTO week was pocketed away in various corners of concern—all centered around the impact of the growing corporate monopoly over the resources of our planet and the lives of its people. There was a two-day teach-in about the impacts of corporate domination with scholars and policy makers from all over the world. There was a forum on the global corporate war system and another forum on the corporate impact on global health and the environment. The expanding use of genetically modified foods and the invasive nature of genetic research was a major concern. So was the corporate takeover of food production and farming. Back then, Starbucks was part of the problem. Their bottom line came at the expense of farmers in South America, held hostage by the corporate coffee bean, who could no longer grow food for their families. Organic, shade-grown, and farmer co-op coffee was not yet in the cup. In India, farmers were forced to grow cotton on their land while their families went hungry. They still are, and the suicide rate of Indian farmers, through the ingestion of the agricultural chemicals that were supposed to make their lives better, is an ongoing tragedy. Follow the food and you eat your way right into the greedy reaches of agribusiness, where a dollar reigns and a human life is disposable.

On N30, that iconic day in November, I found myself walking on the streets of WTO Seattle behind a small group of peasant rice workers from Japan. They were wearing their white peasant garb and couldn’t speak much English, but they sang their rice-worker songs and were euphoric in their gestures of delight at the communal affection and appreciation on the streets. They were being seen and their song was being heard. They were recognized, acknowledged, and respected for the integrity of their lives and their struggle.

I was walking by myself in the midst of the crowd on the streets of Seattle that day and those Japanese peasant rice workers embraced me with their joy and jubilation. But why were they there? Answering that question became the seed, metaphorically and otherwise for my book The Battle in Seattle: The Story Behind and Beyond the WTO Demonstrations.

Growing rice in Japan, as with grapes in France, is rooted in generational farming. Many families participate, each taking care of their own rows, each preserving their own seeds from year to year—seeds that adapted over hundreds of years to small bits of land and to the hands that carefully farmed. But because Montsanto identified the genetics of their seeds, the farmers were no longer entitled to own and cultivate them. And the seeds they were forced to purchase came complete with terminator genes so they couldn’t be saved from year to year. And so began the end of economic justice, the end of generations of culture, the end of safe rice, and the end of a vibrant and viable future. Theirs was a unique story on the streets of WTO Seattle—as was every story on those streets that week. What wasn’t unique was the human spirit rising in embrace of what was just and fair for humankind, and for all sentient beings, including this living, breathing planet.

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The phrase of the week was civil society. To be civil is to be most of all respectful. A civil society is a respectful society. It honors deep democracy, where the integrity of an individual life is honored. It is fair. It recognizes and celebrates differences and unique ways of being in the world. It doesn’t quantify everything, bottom-line everything, weigh and measure the worth of a human being by a stock portfolio or bank account. Civil society is the bedrock of the future. Corporate society is anathema to civil society; its global domination means the end of our unique and individual stories—whether we are peasant rice farmers in Japan, teachers in Manhattan, or longshore workers in Long Beach.

The Occupy Wall Street movement is an outpouring of civil society. The media might wring its corporate hands over the lack of specifics and solutions, but civil society knows what’s right and what’s missing: the fundamental human right to a meaningful life for everyone on this planet. Everyone has a story and their story matters. Follow our individual, family, cultural stories and they lead to everything that’s right and everything that’s wrong with our world. Civil society knows the difference; corporate society doesn’t have to. This is where the line is drawn in the sands of global society. When 99 percent of us occupy the Wall Streets of the world, those simple words, right and wrong, come to life like those peasant rice workers on the streets of WTO Seattle. They mean something. So do we all.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:44 pm

This is a list of changes I can support. Anything less is only tinkering around the edges of nothing...Unfortunately this will never happen (in my opinion) without all out war and mass murder of innocents.

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Any ‘protest’, any ‘change’ or ‘revolution’ not founded on the list below — at the very least the list below — has got no chance of changing anything.

These very pillars of the system must fall or they will block any transformation of the human condition. The system does not need to be tinkered with or even fundamentally changed (on the surface). The whole bloody lot must go… starting with:

1. An end to creating money out of thin air on computer screens and charging interest on it (fractional reserve lending).

2. An end to governments borrowing fresh-air money called ‘credit’ from private banks and the people paying interest on this ‘money’ that has never, does not and will never exist. Governments (and that concept must change radically) can create their own currency — interest free.

3. An end to private banks issuing non-existent money called ‘credit’ at all and thus creating ‘money’ as a debt from the very start.

4. An end to casinos like Wall Street and the City of London betting mercilessly on the financial and commodity markets with the lives of billions around the world.

5. An end to all professional lobby groups that earn their living and their clients’ living from corrupting the professionally corruptible — vast numbers of world politicians and the overwhelming majority on Capitol Hill.

6. An end to no-contract government in which mendacious politicians can promise the people they will do this and that to win their support and then do the very opposite after they have lied themselves into office (see President Obama).

7. An end to the centralisation of power in all areas of our lives and a start to diversifying power to communities to decide their own lives and thus ensure there are too many points of decision making for any cabal to centrally control.

That is just for starters. There is so much more where that came from. What good will come from rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic? NONE.

The banking system as we know it does not need to be ‘changed’ — it needs to be gone. It is a criminal activity based on fraud, extortion and, through its effect, on worldwide mass murder.

Its replacement needs to be decided by the population — not the very people who created it in the first place and are covertly manipulating a new global structure of financial control based on a world central bank.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby norton ash » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:45 pm

^^^ From mathaba.net , Qaddafi's website. Srsly.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:46 pm

Right-uP! eyeno! That's something I'm totally behind. And I too have no illusions that the necessary change can be accomplished without enormous struggle, massive sacrifice, suffering and conflict as the PTB are too deeply entrenched, too committed to preserving their ruthless grasp on the system of privelege, wealth and power they have constructed on the ashes of our once vibrant, free Republic and by creating feudal autocracies around the world. I don't think peaceful change is possible or likely, I have no fantasies about the corporate goons and political/military/economic thugs relinquishing power because its the 'right' thing to do.

I wish it were otherwise, but its not. THEY have been murdering us with impunity for generations, and more.

ENOUGH already.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:24 pm

ENOUGH already.



Yes, and it could be that way in this day and age. With the industrialization, mechanization, robotics, and technology we have today there is no 'GOOD' reason for any person on this planet to be without everything they need to live a pain free comfortable life.

With the technology we have today every person on this earth could live from cradle to grave with all they need.

AND...

Those that consider themselves above the rest of us could still live a life of magnificent splendor way above the rest of us in the process. This could all be accomplished in a short amount of time too.
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