Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[lupercal]

The Lanzas probably wouldn't be databased if they simply took certification courses.

And you know this how? The police after 3 months produce bushels of incriminating evidence including an NRA certificate and a graphic printout that requires a police-department printer, and the certificate doesn't check out. Since the NRA has a close bureaucratic relationship with both federal and state gov'ts if they can't be trusted on this they can't be trusted on anything so I think they'd get it right.

And the NRA has NEVER published a membership list, so we have to take their word on all this. Are they trustworthy? Hardly.

What they've published and what's available to law enforcement agencies are two entirely different things. They can also be subpoenaed as I'm sure they are well aware of.

Based on what I've seen so far, it's the police, because I have yet to see reasonable evidence that Adam Lanza a) was on the premises of the Sandy Hook shooting, b) ever fired a gun anywhere, or c) was even alive at the time of the shooting.

What kind of evidence do you require at this point? Just wondering.

Basically anything more substantial than a guy in a uniform mumbling into a microphone.

[barracuda]

And you know this how?

Huh? I'm guessing, same as you.

The police after 3 months produce bushels of incriminating evidence including an NRA certificate and a graphic printout that requires a police-department printer, and the certificate doesn't check out. Since the NRA has a close bureaucratic relationship with both federal and state gov'ts if they can't be trusted on this they can't be trusted on anything so I think they'd get it right.

Well, the NRA very carefully framed their response to the warrant contents by claiming they had "no member relationship" with the Lanzas. But the NRA issues certificates for all kinds of training without requiring a membership.

What they've published and what's available to law enforcement agencies are two entirely different things. They can also be subpoenaed as I'm sure they are well aware of.

Why would they need to be subpoenaed in this case? There's no shame in having certified Adam Lanza, even if he killed some folks. The NRA didn't cause the massacre.

Basically anything more substantial than a guy in a uniform mumbling into a microphone.

That's pretty vague. Police reports and the warrant contents don't qualify, I guess. I suppose the witnesses will come forward eventually, though, once they've gotten over the immediate PTSD effects. We'll see.

BTW, have you gotten over the whole Rodia thing yet? I mean, do you still consider him an accessory to mass murder, or what?

[lupercal]

^ still licking your wounds I see. Doesn't surprise me as you and the team took quite a hit on that one:

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[barracuda]

Is that a yes or a no? Seriously, whatever you think about that (semi-retarded) thread, the warrant specifies the black Honda as registered to Nancy. Case closed on Rodia? Is he off the hook in your book?

[lupercal]

^ sorry bud, if you're itching to lose that battle one more time, you'll have to do it in your mind, or reread the Ask Admin thread which I created specifically for sore losers itching to lose that battle one more time. Good luck and happy Easter to all.

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[barracuda]

Ah, I see, the non-denial denial comes through again. Well done.

[chump]

I have 2 questions. Please.

I've seen joequinn's post with a photocopy of the cars that the Rodia's had registered, but has anyone ever posted the registration for the black Honda photographed in the Sandy Hook parking lot?

Also, I had been under the impression that Chris Manfredonia was handcuffed on the floor of the school itself, or maybe just outside. Where was it reported that Manfredonia was the man in the woods?

I know this may seem rudimentary, but I missed it.

[lupercal]

^ hi chump, as matters stand, no one has supplied evidence to contradict the police scanner report which very, very clearly ids the black Honda as Christopher Rodia's. Much ink has been spilled and many waters unsuccessfully muddied (including by the blog you mentioned, as I recall) but that's where things stand.

Manfredonia: clearly identified as on the premises by the LAT, and called "the culprit" by none other than our own barracuda right here:

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And that's where matters have stood since Christmas.

[barracuda]

I've seen joequinn's post with a photocopy of the cars that the Rodia's had registered, but has anyone ever posted the registration for the black Honda photographed in the Sandy Hook parking lot?

We have this auto tax record for the 2010 Honda under Nancy's name, and the copper's warrant states the black Honda at the school is registered to her. Actual registration docs are not public record, and I doubt the investigators care enough about the Rodiatards' complaints to make releasing it a priority, considering they'd just claim it was a fake anyway.

Also, I had been under the impression that Chris Manfredonia was handcuffed on the floor of the school itself, or maybe just outside. Where was it reported that Manfredonia was the man in the woods?

The "man in the woods with camo pants" thing originates with this video clip, I believe. The helicopter footage here shows the police doing something in the woods, but I've never seen a hi-rez enough version to tell exactly what. The Newtown Bee reported about another man who was "spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident" , an off-duty tactical officer, but never mentions that he was arrested or detained. And that small report at the end of the Bee story is the only citation I know of on Mr. Tactical.

Chris Manfrdonia has exactly zero to do with the shootings at the school. This is Chris Manfredonia:





From here.

[Iamwhomiam]

82, my last on this: There is a profound difference in 'speculation' and jumping to conclusions prematurely.

We saw here one poster's speculation unnecessarily put an innocent at risk.

Bullshit. You've been repeatedly shown to be wrong on this fib and yet you still repeat it. In fact I created an entire thread for you to demonstrate your idiotic and libelous claim, and the best you could offer was a wikipedia link to cyberstalking which has zip to do with zip. You're welcome to your delusions but leave me the hell out of them, thanks. And as for trusting you or any of your claims, I no longer do.

link to your personal Waterloo : http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 37&t=36001

Ah, lupe, what's one to do with you? It seems you never did read the wiki link, or if you did you've once again jumped to the wrong conclusion. And you obviously didn't take my advice and ask jlaw or any other lawyer about the illegality of your deeds. But let's for a minute revisit what I wrote to you on that second now locked thread, hmm?

I wrote:
It's unfortunate that this thread wasn't locked after Lupe posted it. It's been quite awhile since I read such ignorant crybaby complaints. Through three threads, at least. And the irony of its title choice, is well, choice.

Lupe wrote:
Likewise if c2w, Iamwhoiam, barracuda or anyone else is going to allege that I've committed libel or any other actionable offense including "cyberstalking," as Iamwhoiam claims here, let them prove it:

Subject: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

Iamwhomiam wrote: Lupe, c2w? was warning you of the potential that your posting the false information about Rodia was in violation of the cyberstalking laws, and as she said, that is quite the opposite of a threat.

Wiki's cyberstalking lays out most plainly the potential offenses. Why not see how many you could be prosecuted for? I doubt they'd do that though, considering the several thousands who've done the same. But they could... especially to silence such a danger to the ptb as you pose, revealing all their nefarious workings, as you surmise and broadcast. For one so wary of the god-like powers they wield, I'm glad to see you're not intimidated. But just in case you find yourself being waterboarded at Guantanamo next week, you might want to let someone know that they should report your disappearance to us here at RI.

Let's face it. you fucked up big time posting that rodia bs. And it's too bad that you do not yet recognize or admit that you have.

If any of these claims can be supported, please do so by quoting or linking to the actual statements and citing the actual statutory violation. Otherwise I'd like to state plainly and unequivocally that these accusations are false. This has been going on for a month, it's getting out of hand, and it's got to stop. Thank you.

First, Lupe I've alleged nothing. I've stated as fact your committing libel. And I tried my best to help you realize that by providing you a link to the Cyberstalking law asking you to locate how many charges you might feel you could be charged with, but I also said that wasn't likely to happen.

I don't need to prove anything nor do I feel you would accept any other proof than that I have already offered you, considering you reject the reality of your actions.

Again, I find it most difficult to believe you are the editor or blogmaster of your Peace & Justice forum, as your behavior has been anything but peaceful. Friends warn you you've possibly endangered an innocent man and you accuse them of beating-up on you, piling on. In my experience, someone sensitive to Peace and Justice issues would be contrite rather than argumentative when presented with such damning evidence.

Maybe jlaw could be of some help to you with this matter pro bono? But consulting with a lawyer is free, so just call your local Bar Association and they will gladly refer you to an attorney with whom you could consult about your illegal acts as committed here on the pages of RI, repeatedly.

Clearly, you prematurely jumped to a wrong conclusion about Rodia.

I stand by my words. There's nothing I've written that untrue.

I do however have one retraction, and that is I really don't respect you any longer and I do find it absolutely astounding that you author a Peace & Justice blog. You have issues, my man, and I really don't need to deal with your nonsense or your denial, but be assured, I will jump at the opportunity to correct you, should you repeat such dangerous, unsubstantiated and unwarranted rantings. Grow up!

So much for my personal Waterloo. You trying to get yet another thread locked?

We're done. Have a nice life.

[lupercal]

^ file under "waters unsuccessfully muddied."

[Iamwhomiam]

I just want to comment about the certificate. NRA approved firearms training is conducted by people who have passed and been approved by the organization to conduct firearms safety courses and the trainer issues the certificates, not the NRA. I doubt the NRA keeps records of those who pass their firearms safety training courses, but I'm sure they do keep records of whom they approve to conduct their firearms safety and defense training courses.

[Iamwhomiam]

Try to stay on topic lupe.

Edited to add: Yes, lupe, the waters remain unmuddied by my posting. Some might even say I was crystal clear.

[Iamwhomiam]

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[barracuda]