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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:54 am

Tortured Syrian refugees need specialist help

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A Syrian man shows marks of torture on his back after he was released from regime forces, in Aleppo in 2012. A reported 55% of the Syrians who have been given protection in the UK under the Syrian resettlement programme are torture survivors.


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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:04 am

The Assad regime were doing this since for ever.
The US had few issues with Assad when he was helping them with Extraordinary Rendition.
The torture charity above has done great work and I support that without reservation. The Trustees are, however, turning much more political - and from the Open Society Foundations neo-liberal stable.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:03 am

https://tahriricn.wordpress.com/2013/12 ... upporters/

SYRIA: Who are Assad’s fascist supporters?

DEC 11 2013

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From Black Lilly blog, presumed to be a rally in Greece

By Leila Al Shami

The Assad regime has won the support of fascists and far-right nationalist parties and organizations across Europe. These include the National Front (France), Forza Nuova and CasaPound (Italy), Golden Dawn and Black Lilly (Greece), the British National Party (UK) and the National Rebirth of Poland, Falanga and All Polish Youth (Poland).

This support can be attributed to: anti-imperialist/anti-globalism sentiment with a strong focus on national states (they believe the Assad regime protects the Syrian state against US imperialism), Islamophobia (they believe the Assad regime fights Islamic extremists), anti-semitism (they believe Assad’s regime acts as resistance to Israel). All of these beliefs rest on fallacy and an uncritical perpetuation of regime narratives.[1] They are also positions shared (although without the racist element) by sections of the left. Another reason is likely to be concern about increased Arab migration to Europe where fascists in a number of countries have protested against and harassed Syrian refugees.[2]

Some of these groups have a history of support for the Assad regime but recently the support has been more visible. Fascist groups from Europe have traveled to Syria in solidarity with Syria’s tyrant and to carry out what they call “fact-finding missions”. In June 2013, a delegation of far-right and nationalist European politicians traveled on an officially sponsored visit to Damascus. Nick Griffin leader the British National Party (BNP) was one of the members of this delegation who found that apart from “occasional explosions”, life in Damascus was “normal”. He also praised the militant, sectarian, Jihadi group Hizbullah for their role in supporting the regime.[3] The BNP’s policies include: re-introducing corporal and capital punishment for certain crimes, abolishing anti-discrimination laws, making an agreement with the Muslim world “to take back their excess population which is currently colonising this country/[the UK]”, deporting all illegal migrants and those who commit crimes if their original nationality is not British, and rejecting all asylum seekers who passed through safe countries before arriving in Britain.[4] They have taken part in violent anti-Muslim protests and racist attacks.[5] Other members of the delegation included far right Parliament and European Parliament members from Poland, Russia and Belgium.[6]

Also in June, Polish fascists from Falanga travelled on a solidarity mission to Syria and met with the Syrian Prime Minister Wael Al Halqi and Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad in Damascus. In Beirut they met with representatives from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, a fascist party.[7] Falanga is a group which advocates stripping Polish Jews of their citizenship rights and has attacked Jews and their businesses. Activists from the neo-nazi All Polish Youth have held demonstrations in support of Assad on the invite of the Syrian Embassy in Poland.[8]

The European Solidarity Front is another group which, whilst not openly fascist, has strong fascist connections. It has been active in the anti-war protests for Syria across Europe. Founded in January 2013 it states that: “The European Solidarity Front is open to all those who love Syria, and support solidarity with President Assad, the Syrian nation and its army. The main founders of this project are from Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Belgium, the Netherlands, Finland and Spain, but we quickly found enthusiastic support from a number of militants activate in different countries, and more specifically in Poland, France , Czech Republic, Romania, Ireland, Serbia, Great Britain, Scotland, Malta, Ukraine, Denmark, Sweden, Canada and Argentina.”[9] As well as organizing protests in support of Syria’s dictator they also organize conferences. In Italy these have been hosted by CasaPound, an Italian fascist organization that expresses admiration for former dictator Mussolini, has carried out racist protests against the Roma community and violent attacks on anti fascists and leftists.[10] The ESF also invites speakers such as Belgian Third Positionist Ruben Sosiers to their conferences. Their common cause is the fight against “Western Imperialist Propaganda”.[11] Poland’s largest fascist organization National Rebirth of Poland, that recently carried out this attack on an antifa squat in Warsaw and attacks homosexuals, are also part of the European Solidarity Front.[12] It has been suggested that the ESF may get direct financial support from the Syrian government as “hundreds of flags, posters, and flights to Syria don’t pay for themselves ”.[13] Further this network of European fascists may use the situation in Syria as a key method of fundraising as such groups “are able to gain greater resources through their Syria campaign than they are usually capable of mustering.”[14]

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Italian delegation of the European Solidarity Front with Syrian Army soldiers in Damascus.

Between 30 August and 9 September 2013, an Italian delegation from the European Solidarity Front for Syria travelled to Damascus and Tartus, which they describe as “the most important Russian center in the Mediterranean sea and the fortress of Assad’s government”. Their trip was “in support of the legitimate government of Bashar Al Assad and the Syrian people.” During their trip they also met with the Syrian Prime Minister and Deputy Foreign Minister. A video of their trip (in Italian) is here. They were also part of the delegation that met with Wissam Samira from the Syrian Social-Nationalist Party, alongside Polish fascists in June.[15]

Greek fascists, from Black Lilly (Mavros Krinos), have gone one step further and have fighters on the ground in Syria and claim to have fought alongside Hizbullah and Assad forces in the brutal assault on Qusayr.[16] Black Lilly is an autonomous nationalist organization which combines aspects of anarchism with extremist far right ideology. They also claim that “thousands of Russians, Ukranians and Poles” from fascist groups have “declared themselves ready to fight alongside ‘The Lion of Syria’ i.e. Bashar al-Assad”.[17] Black Lilly are also part of the European Solidarity Front for Syria.[18]

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Endnotes:

[1] Assad rhetoric to justify the Syrian regime and its oppression of Syrian citizens is not matched by reality. Whilst the Syrian regime has been an vocal opponent of the US policy in the region, it has also cooperated with the US when in its own interests – such as participating with the US in the first Gulf War on Iraq, as well as Bashar Al Assad’s cooperation with the US’s illegal rendition programme. Militant Jihadi groups have infiltrated Syria since the uprising began, but the regime has done little to oppose them and even released many militant Jihadis from prison at the beginning of the uprising. The overwhelmingly majority of prisoners currently in Assad’s jails are secular, non-violent, civil activists. Moreover, military attacks carried out by the regime mainly target civilian areas or areas under control of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) while the strongholds and headquarters of ISIS and JAN (Al Qaeda affiliated groups) are spared. It is the grassroots civil opposition and the FSA that have provided most opposition to militant Jihadi groups. There has also been little evidence beyond rhetoric of the Syrian regime’s resistance to Israel. Not only has the Syrian regime never carried out attacks on Israel (even in retaliation for Israeli aggression) it has also brutally repressed Palestinian liberation movements. In fact it seems that the sole purpose of the regimes “war with Israel” was to justify the continued application of Emergency Law which stripped Syrian citizens of their rights and gave unlimited powers to security forces.

[2] ‘German neo-Nazis protest at refugee center in Berlin’ http://www.dw.de/german-neo-nazis-prote ... a-17037793

[3] Ian Black, ‘BNP leader Nick Griffin visits Syria’, The Guardian, (11 June 2013) http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... yria-assad

[4] British National Party Website, policies section http://www.bnp.xrg.xk

[5] See, Stop the BNP http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htm

[6] Ian Black, ‘BNP leader Nick Griffin visits Syria’, The Guardian, (11 June 2013) http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... yria-assad

[7] ‘Polish Comrades Report to Open Revolt from Syria’, Open Revolt, (15 June 2013) http://openrevolt.info/2013/06/15/polis ... rom-syria/

[8] Black Adder, ‘Syrian Embassy invites Polish fascists to demonstrate solidarity with Al-Assad’, http://libcom.org/news/syrian-embassy-i ... d-28082012

[9] Italian page of the European Solidarity Front, ‘Who we are’ section, http://www.frontesiria.org/?page_id=60

[10] For more information on CasaPound see, Ed, ‘CasaPound and the new radical right in Italy’, (June 2011) http://libcom.org/library/casa-pound-ne ... ight-italy

[11] Laura Eduati, ‘Manifestazione pro Assad: a Roma fascisti da tutta Europa per celebrare il governo siriano’, (5 June 2013) http://www.huffingtonpost.it/2013/06/05 ... 90190.html (In Italian)

[12] ‘Rzym: NOP za Syrią Assada’ (30 June 2013) http://www.nop.org.pl/2013/06/30/rzym-n ... ia-assada/ (In Polish)
[13] Brian Whelan, ‘Are Greek neo-nazis fighting for Assad in Syria?’ (October 2013) http://www.vice.com/read/are-greek-neo- ... -in-syria1

[14] Ibid.

[15] English Facebook page of the European Solidarity Front: https://www.facebook.com/pages/European ... 3615449307

[16] Panagiotis Liakos ‘The Greek National Socialists that are fighting alongside Assad’s regime are far more dangerous than Golden Dawn’, (September 2013) https://tahriricn.wordpress.com/2013/09 ... lden-dawn/

[17] Ibid.

[18] Brian Whelan, ‘Are Greek neo-nazis fighting for Assad in Syria?’ (October 2013) http://www.vice.com/read/are-greek-neo- ... in-syria1/



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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:26 pm

DOCUMENTING EVIL: INSIDE ASSAD’S HOSPITALS OF HORROR

When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower. Adam Ciralsky uncovers “Caesar’s” story.



...There are lots of Caesars,” said Dr. Abu Odeh, who worked at both Tishreen and a smaller facility called Harasta, on the outskirts of Damascus. I visited him this spring in a Turkish border town. (Abu Odeh is a pseudonym; the doctor, who aids Syrian refugees, still has family inside Syria.) “Caesar took pictures in the military hospitals. We lived there, 24/7.” Abu Odeh said that some patients were dead on arrival—brought to the facilities in official vehicles or even passenger cars—while others were tortured and killed following admission. “Each mark you see [on the bodies], cigarette marks and the like, was done in front of me. The Mukhabarat [intelligence officers] would be smoking when I’d walk into the room [for a consultation], and they’d put out their cigarettes on the patients and yell, ‘Get up, the doctor is here!’ ”

Caesar and his cohorts were responsible for providing a photographic record of death, but it fell to doctors such as Abu Odeh to pronounce a cause—which generally meant making one up. “Almost every day the Mukhabarat would drive up and bring dead bodies with them,” he explained. “I’d go out to the car, find a corpse lying in the back seat, can you imagine? Even if the dead guy was missing his head, the Mukhabarat demanded that I write that he died of ‘sudden death.’ That was their preferred choice, even though the injuries I saw ranged from, well, decapitation to electric shocks to stab wounds to ligature marks around the neck. This much was clear: these people had not died of natural causes. They were tortured to death by the intelligence services.” Abu Odeh said he would generate about seven to eight death reports a day.

With introductions furnished by the Syrian opposition and humanitarian-aid workers, I interviewed six other medical professionals who had firsthand knowledge of what Syria’s military hospitals have become. “Every day I saw 30 to 40 dead bodies,” a nurse named Ayman al-Abdallah told me. He claimed to have worked for 12 years at Tishreen before leaving Syria; as proof, he provided pictures and his military I.D. “I also witnessed cases where people were tortured. I will never forget people who had acid on their hips. I could see straight through to the bone.”

Al-Abdallah, a Sunni, is unique in that he had access to a high-security underground area at Tishreen, an alternative emergency room, that was otherwise off-limits to non-Alawites. “The alternate E.R. had four rows of beds with two people in each bed,” al-Abdallah recalled. “They were chained to each other and to the bed, and they were blindfolded. Every night the soldiers would get up on the beds and start walking on the patients. It was a ritual.” Another ritual, he said, was wrapping men’s genitals so tightly with a rubber glove that the pressure would cut off circulation. According to Abu Odeh, intelligence agents would walk up to patients recovering from surgery to repair bone fractures and would literally rip external fixations—used to hold bones in place—from their broken limbs. “So many times we had to do operations twice,” he said. “They weren’t doing this torture to get patients to talk—it was just torture. Sometimes the Mukhabarat guys would pee on the wounds. Other times they would dip a prisoner’s bandages in toilet water and put them back on.”

Some of those brought into the hospital with bone fractures, it turned out, had been medical aides wounded in Syrian air strikes and shellings. According to ward staffers, the security forces doing the torture seemed to be singling out their victims because their presence on the battlefield—as evidenced by their wounds—suggested that they had been pitching in to help treat the enemy: injured anti-government troops. Indeed, the Assad administration, according to recent reports by both the U.N. and Physicians for Human Rights, has appeared to deliberately target medical transport, clinics, and their staff.

The facilities had another purpose as well. To hear Abu Odeh and al-Abdallah tell it, Tishreen—while a torture chamber for perceived regime opponents—remained a functioning hospital for loyalists and served as something of a showcase for visiting dignitaries and foreign soldiers, who would walk through the wards and speak with injured government troops. “I saw Iranians and Hezbollah fighters come through,” al-Abdallah told me. “The Russians and North Koreans would also show up.” Abu Odeh spoke about the time his bosses requested that he put in an appearance the day Bashar al-Assad himself was scheduled to do a walk-through, in 2011. “In the days leading up to his visit, they took the healthiest people and put them in place. The Army gave people talking points, telling doctors, patients, and their families what to say and not to say.”

By his own account, Abu Odeh, like a number of Sunnis within the military-hospital system, was pulling double duty: treating regime members in the daytime and then moonlighting at field clinics, where he would patch up opposition combatants and their civilian supporters. He worked at Tishreen on the morning of the Assad visit, but persuaded his superiors to cancel his televised cameo, arguing that appearing alongside the president might increase the risk that rebels would recognize him, accuse him of being a government lackey, and kill him at a checkpoint. (Three weeks after I met with him, he informed me that one of his close family members had been arrested in Damascus, taken to an interrogation center, and sent to Harasta military hospital, where, two weeks later, that person died.)

In Turkey I also interviewed Eyad Ibrahim, a heavy-set man who worked as a nurse at Tishreen before the civil war and at the military hospital in Deir Ezzour after it began. “The killing is systematic,” insisted Ibrahim. He described a singularly abhorrent incident. In the aftermath of a raid that the Syrian Army conducted on Mou Hassan–Ibrahim’s home village—a lieutenant in the Makhabarat, he recalled, began asking if any members of the medical team had grown up in that town. Confident that the officer already knew the staff members’ backgrounds, Ibrahim stepped forward. A short time later, he said, he was escorted to an area near the E.R. where he came face-to-face with a villager wounded in the raid. It was his cousin. “They ordered me to torture my cousin,” he conceded. “I did everything they asked. I beat him with my hands, kicked him with my legs, beating him and saying, ‘I’m sorry.’ ” After a pause, he added, “I wished the earth would have opened up and swallowed me whole. . . . No matter how we describe or explain the torturing and killing that took place in the military hospitals, we can’t do it justice.”


...I met a man in Istanbul whom I’ll call Youssef. He recounted to me his grueling experiences as a patient lost in the Syrian hospital system. He is a burly figure who still bears the scars of his odyssey through three interrogation sites and the wards at Mezzeh. In May 2013, while a prisoner (of Air Force Intelligence), Youssef became very ill and was taken to Hospital 601 (Mezzeh).

“I saw dead bodies in the rooms that were set aside for the different intelligence divisions,” Youssef began. He said space was at a premium and hygiene was not a priority. “Six people on each hospital bed, chained together at the foot. If a prisoner died in one of the beds, they would take the chain off the leg, put the corpse in the bathroom or in the hallway, and we’d have to step over it. . . . They’d stay there for a day or day and a half. Some prisoners were forced to take the bodies to an auto garage at Mezzeh.”

That garage—located not far from Assad’s palace—is a recurring backdrop in many of the pictures that Caesar spirited out. After Mezzeh ran out of space to store the deceased, Caesar would contend, the Syrians transformed an adjoining parking area into a makeshift morgue with a concrete roof and open sides. The photos depict rows of bodies—some naked, some wrapped in plastic—overseen by hospital attendants wearing masks, presumably to cope with the stench.

The situation often veered toward the surreal. According to a Syrian government intelligence report I obtained, a strange disagreement broke out at one point when a doctor at Harasta military hospital lodged a formal complaint. in which she argued that the Mukhabarat—not medical staffers—ought to be the ones placing detainees’ bodies in bags before burial. She also claimed that, at times, intelligence personnel would take the keys to the morgue freezer home with them at night. The Mukhabarat, in response, accused the doctor, on one occasion, of refusing to allow its officers entry when they tried to drop off corpses.

Meanwhile, Youssef told me that at Mezzeh “death was routine” and often came at the hands of the staff. Patients referred to one employee as “Abu Shakoush,” Arabic for “father of the hammer,” based on his facility with blunt instruments. “Another [worker] was Azrael, the archangel of death”—evoking the nickname associated with Dr. Josef Mengele, the SS physician who conducted sadistic experiments on inmates at Auschwitz. Youssef described how, one night, he and his fellow prisoners smelled what they thought was burning plastic. The next day, when they asked a staff member about the odor, Youssef said, “We were told Azrael melted a plastic bucket over someone’s head until [he] burned to death.”

Ahmad al-Rez, a Syrian émigré now living in Western Europe, spoke to me about Tishreen hospital. In February 2012, he claimed, he was at the Damascus International Airport when he was pulled aside by members of Branch 215. “They said, ‘Come with us for two minutes.’ Two minutes turned into two years.” After falling ill at Syria’s infamous Sednaya prison, he was taken to Tishreen. On his initial stay, in October 2013, al-Rez said, he was regularly denied food and water, and the guards would routinely beat him with what patients mockingly referred to as the “Lakhdar Brahimi,” a green stick named after the former U.N. and Arab League’s joint special representative to Syria (who, in 2012, had been dispatched to persuade Assad to step down or accept a transitional process toward that end). Two months later, al-Rez said he was re-admitted to Tishreen and over the course of two days was ordered to use plastic to wrap 20 or more corpses, whose prisoner numbers had already been inscribed on their foreheads. “Tishreen,” he concluded, “is a killing center.”


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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby slimmouse » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:50 pm

I noticed today that the Russians and the Syrians are being labelled war criminals by John Kerry, who claims they should be indicted as such.

Whenever John Kerry speaks, as a normal human being such as I am, this guy sends shivers down my spine.

I wouldnt trust him to tell me the correct time in a room full of clocks
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:04 pm

https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2 ... -on-syria/


Jeremy Corbyn Speak out on Syria!


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Jeremy Corbyn must ‘break silence’ on Assad and Russian bombings


Labour and Momentum activists sign letter calling on Corbyn to help Syrians stop the war.

The people who launched this appeal are right to express their concerns.

They are deep comrades.

LIke many I was repelled at the baying at the Stop the War Conference against people who expressed their views .



Dear Jeremy,

We write as members of the Labour Party and Momentum, as socialist activists, or as other supporters of your leadership of the Labour Party. We agree wholeheartedly with your opposition to militarism and nuclear weapons, and your call for an end to British arms exports to countries such as Saudi Arabia. Yet we are concerned by your silence – thus far – on the ongoing slaughter of civilians by Russian and Assad-regime forces in Syria.

We share your scepticism about kneejerk military responses to the situation in Syria, such as the bombing campaign against ISIS proposed by David Cameron last autumn. We are not asking you to back Western interventions of this kind, but simply to say clearly and unequivocally that the actions of Assad and Russia in Syria are barbaric war crimes, and that you will seek to end them, and to hold their perpetrators to account.

We applaud your efforts, over decades, to end the crimes of brutal regimes supported by Western powers. But we do not believe that this exhausts the duties of anti-imperialists, socialists and peace activists in Western countries. The fact that Assad is supported not by the USA or Britain, but by Russia and Iran, does not make his crimes any less horrific, or the political future he represents for the people of Syria any less dismal. Nor does it mean that Western political leaders are powerless in acting to oppose these crimes.

We know only too well that there are those in the anti-war movement who will denounce any move critical of Russia, Iran, or Assad as tantamount to support for Western imperialist intervention. We also know that there are those on the right of British politics who will claim any such move as a concession to their policy of militaristic grandstanding. The debate on Syria has been polarised between these two positions – scrupulous “non-intervention” in the face of massive carnage enabled by Russian intervention, versus support for bombing campaigns as part of a Western “war on terror”. We have all been asked to take up a position in these terms. But the terms are false.

We appreciate your concern not to lend support to right-wing calls for fruitless bombing campaigns. But in the face of the horrors being perpetrated across Syria, with impunity, and above all by Russian and Assad-regime forces, we believe socialists and anti-war activists cannot simply look on in silence. We ask that you condemn, clearly and specifically, the actions of Assad and Russia in Syria, which have caused the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths and which present the biggest obstacle to any workable solution to the Syrian crisis.

We also urge you to lend your wholehearted support to practical measures to support civilians and pressure the regime to end its attacks, such as airdrops of aid to besieged civilians by British military forces. Guaranteeing delivery of humanitarian aid to civilians is not only a way to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people at risk of disease and starvation. It is also a non-violent and humanitarian way to pressure the regime into a negotiated political solution to the conflict, by undermining a key part of its strategy: the “kneel or starve” campaigns deployed against opposition areas since 2013. “Food not bombs” should be the rallying cry, not “Hands off Syria”, which only gives the Assad regime and Russia carte blanche to continue with their slaughter.

Failure to act on this issue now threatens to undermine practically and politically much of the work done over many years by the anti-war movement. The legacy of yourself and the anti-war movement over Syria must not be one of silence and inaction in the face of such momentous atrocities.

Yours fraternally,
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby slimmouse » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:16 pm

American Dream » 10 Oct 2016 20:04 wrote:https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/jeremy-corbyn-speak-out-on-syria/


Jeremy Corbyn Speak out on Syria!


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Morally Bankrupt.


Jeremy Corbyn must ‘break silence’ on Assad and Russian bombings


Labour and Momentum activists sign letter calling on Corbyn to help Syrians stop the war.

The people who launched this appeal are right to express their concerns.

They are deep comrades.

LIke many I was repelled at the baying at the Stop the War Conference against people who expressed their views .



Dear Jeremy,

We write as members of the Labour Party and Momentum, as socialist activists, or as other supporters of your leadership of the Labour Party. We agree wholeheartedly with your opposition to militarism and nuclear weapons, and your call for an end to British arms exports to countries such as Saudi Arabia. Yet we are concerned by your silence – thus far – on the ongoing slaughter of civilians by Russian and Assad-regime forces in Syria.

We share your scepticism about kneejerk military responses to the situation in Syria, such as the bombing campaign against ISIS proposed by David Cameron last autumn. We are not asking you to back Western interventions of this kind, but simply to say clearly and unequivocally that the actions of Assad and Russia in Syria are barbaric war crimes, and that you will seek to end them, and to hold their perpetrators to account.

We applaud your efforts, over decades, to end the crimes of brutal regimes supported by Western powers. But we do not believe that this exhausts the duties of anti-imperialists, socialists and peace activists in Western countries. The fact that Assad is supported not by the USA or Britain, but by Russia and Iran, does not make his crimes any less horrific, or the political future he represents for the people of Syria any less dismal. Nor does it mean that Western political leaders are powerless in acting to oppose these crimes.

We know only too well that there are those in the anti-war movement who will denounce any move critical of Russia, Iran, or Assad as tantamount to support for Western imperialist intervention. We also know that there are those on the right of British politics who will claim any such move as a concession to their policy of militaristic grandstanding. The debate on Syria has been polarised between these two positions – scrupulous “non-intervention” in the face of massive carnage enabled by Russian intervention, versus support for bombing campaigns as part of a Western “war on terror”. We have all been asked to take up a position in these terms. But the terms are false.

We appreciate your concern not to lend support to right-wing calls for fruitless bombing campaigns. But in the face of the horrors being perpetrated across Syria, with impunity, and above all by Russian and Assad-regime forces, we believe socialists and anti-war activists cannot simply look on in silence. We ask that you condemn, clearly and specifically, the actions of Assad and Russia in Syria, which have caused the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths and which present the biggest obstacle to any workable solution to the Syrian crisis.

We also urge you to lend your wholehearted support to practical measures to support civilians and pressure the regime to end its attacks, such as airdrops of aid to besieged civilians by British military forces. Guaranteeing delivery of humanitarian aid to civilians is not only a way to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people at risk of disease and starvation. It is also a non-violent and humanitarian way to pressure the regime into a negotiated political solution to the conflict, by undermining a key part of its strategy: the “kneel or starve” campaigns deployed against opposition areas since 2013. “Food not bombs” should be the rallying cry, not “Hands off Syria”, which only gives the Assad regime and Russia carte blanche to continue with their slaughter.

Failure to act on this issue now threatens to undermine practically and politically much of the work done over many years by the anti-war movement. The legacy of yourself and the anti-war movement over Syria must not be one of silence and inaction in the face of such momentous atrocities.

Yours fraternally,


Is this Corbyn speaking, or a critic?
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:15 pm

Neither.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:27 am

AD don't you have like 20 other threads that you can spam? And not this one? Thx!
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:56 am

Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:27 am wrote:AD don't you have like 20 other threads that you can spam? And not this one? Thx!


Btw, as terrible as Donald is, was it me or in the Syria portion did it seem like Hillary was essentially saying she wants military entanglement with Russia? To me thats much more dangerous than anything else
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:00 am

They've tried Corbyn the communist, Corbyn the anti-semite, Corbyn the Incompetent, Corbyn the Undecided on Brexit, Corbyn the Labour Party destroyer and Corbyn the tyrant.

Now, it's been reduced to playing the 'Corbyn is pro-Putin' card by turncoats from his own party. :rofl2

What next - Corbyn the rapist or child-molester? I guess so, as we tend to follow the US example.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:05 am

8bitagent » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:56 am wrote:
Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:27 am wrote:AD don't you have like 20 other threads that you can spam? And not this one? Thx!


Btw, as terrible as Donald is, was it me or in the Syria portion did it seem like Hillary was essentially saying she wants military entanglement with Russia? To me thats much more dangerous than anything else


She definitely seems to have a dreadful relationship with the Russians. I read some time in the last few months of a Russian diplomat who was present at a meeting that she stormed out of. It sounded like she would lose it quite regularly. I don't hold this against her personally though - she is taking medication for under-active thyroid and this can cause terrible mood swings and anger outbursts. I was a carer for a person who had this - and it turned a normal rational person into a monster.

Not a good condition for a person with their hand on the nuke switch.

If she wins, she may want to show the Trump base "how tough she is" as a means of encouraging less division.
Doing air aistrikes against Assad would do the trick. The Russians have already warned the US that the Syrian Army is under their S-300 / S-400 protection and their planes would be shot down by them if they attacked.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:58 am

Russia compared to Nazis ahead of UK Syria debate BBC News 11 Oct 2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37614554
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby Sounder » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:08 am

People like AD need to wake up and smell the coffee, their 'praxis' is a hobgoblin of diseased minds.


Links and full article here:
http://www.marketslant.com/articles/rus ... l-pipeline

.......What he also noted was the limitations of the US style of keeping the Middle East's balance of power see-saw. The US keeps ME balance largely by adding to whatever side of the fulcrum demanded it. And never removing things from the see-saw. Removing implies error. And ego prohibits admission of errors. So politicians, regulators, diplomats only add to fix things. This meant they had to fine tune it constantly, as the slightest imbalance could create entropy that destroyed everything. And it is not just in the Middle East. It is the preferred way leaders solve problems in everything.

• 2008 TBTF Crisis: result, concentrating risk even more in banks and on exchanges
• The Tax Code: the document speaks for itself.
• The Middle East: arm our enemies to take out our bigger enemies. Then deal with the people we armed later

That is the US way. Solving event risk by compounding systemic risk.

Meanwhile Russia believes it is protecting itself from an aggressor. Russian's actions are related to domestic issues, not international. It can't effectively defend itself without quick access to the Atlantic. Putin has also been a fine student of using false pretense to get his way. Putin: “We are providing energy for the EU for the past 50 years. We are now working on a second project with Turkey".. to help even more. Hillary would be proud!

Russia: It's About the Port Stupid

Reuters: Russia to build permanent Syrian naval base, eyes other outposts. (10/10/2016) 11:20 AM

“In Syria, we will have a permanent naval base in Tartus. The corresponding documents have been drafted,” Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov said at a Federation Council meeting on Monday. “We hope that we will soon ask you to ratify these documents.”
Reuters described the move as “further evidence Russia is building up its capabilities in Syria” and “another sign it is digging in for the long haul to help prop up President Bashar al-Assad.” Reuters

MarketSlant: Russia isn't Bluffing, Hillary Won't Help- Military Source (10/10/2016) 10:59 AM

"Russia will not back down on Syria, Putin will not walk away from Assad as his ally.... Syria offers Russia the ONLY real water access on the Mediterranean side and therefore the Atlantic. They will not give up this port, It is a line in the sand for their defenses. Russia will (also) likely seek to expand its Atlantic footprint to hedge themselves"- full post here
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: US troops surround Syria on the eve of invasion?

Postby American Dream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:25 am

https://submedia.tv/stimulator/2016/10/ ... h-the-ifb/

WEAPONIZING SOLIDARITY: AN INTERVIEW WITH THE IFB


https://vimeo.com/186370080



In this special stand-alone interview segment, I interview a member of the International Freedom Battalion, a group of foreign fighters made up mostly of anarchists, communists and socialists who have traveled to Syria to support the Rojava Revolution. This interview was filmed sometime in September of 2016, on the outskirts of the city of Manbij.
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