Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[Simulist]

Not that anybody benefits from these things besides the government, though!

Yes, it's a crazy reflex action — sort of a Pavlovian effect — that inspires so many to presume that only "the government" is behind every purported conspiracy.

And yours may be a very important observation: when people became more and more convinced that "the government" (which Americans still appear to have at least some ability to control) is the greatest threat to their liberties, they also became more and more trusting of an alternative, namely private enterprise (which Americans have even less ability to control).

If I represented the interests of private industry, I'd probably be very pleased about this development. I might even set about to foster it.

Directly after posting this, I ran across this quote by Mother Jones' columnist, David Corn:

"In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame in comparison."

Why, yes. Yes, it does.

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I guess I'm just not sure that they were hauled off at all - my guess would be that after the house was found to be terrorist free they were told, "get back inside"
To me, this is the way cops treat people who they think might possibly be guilty (even by unwitting association). I hold this belief because I've lived through such a nightmare (not that I'm stating this to win any points). It's not like you can reason with a group of cops who think you've got something to hide. Believe me, you cannot. And there's nothing you can do after they realize their mistake and let you go, either, unless you want to spend the rest of your life on the radar of a group of people who have already proven will torture you and laugh about it.

Gotcha. That's definitely very possible, too. It's just that for some non-specific non-reason or other,*** that's not what it looked like to me.

...

I'd really like to know what was going on there, no joke. Whatever it turns out to be.
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***ON EDIT: Which almost certainly included mindlessly taking the word of the anonymous poster for it that they were being forced from their homes while under the impression I wasn't doing that.



Good eye/independent thinking. Canadian_watcher.

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ON SECOND EDITI: Not that it's necessarily mindless to reach that conclusion. I was criticizing myself, not anyone else.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Interview 655 – Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing

Apr 24 2013

FBI whistleblower and BoilingFrogsPost.com editor Sibel Edmonds joins us to discuss the recent Boston bombing hysteria and the potential geopolitical implications of the American public’s “discovery” of Chechen terror. We discuss Sibel’s work exposing the US/NATO roots of so-called Chechen terrorism, and what the FSB’s involvement in this twisted tale might mean in terms of future Russian-US relations.



For background of this interview, please see the previous episodes of the Gladio interview series: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V, Part VI.

SHOW NOTES:

USA: The Creator & Sustainer of Chechen Terrorism

RT interviews Tsarnaev brothers’ mother

FBI Press Release: 2011 Request for Info on Tamerlan from “Foreign Government”

Terrorist incidents in Chechnya 1970 – present

Terrorist incidents in Dagestan 1970 – present

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview- ... n-bombing/

[justdrew]

the silbur piece has me reevaluating everything of his I ever read. His rhetoric has always been a little over the top, but this latest piece of really too far.

I think it's possible that he either didn't realize or didn't intend it.

Or maybe he was just having an off day. Because in terms of content rather than tone, this...

But I wouldn't be grateful for it afterwards. And I certainly would not celebrate

...is so much what I usually expect from/appreciate him for saying that I thought of him back when I said it just wasn't the kind of thing I rooted for in life. So it's not totally unrecognizably his work in every way.

Maybe that's just grasping at straws, though.

exercising granted authority in a crisis isn't bullying. I think he's just trying to push reader's buttons with that approach. As for Silber's deep morality, it seems to me it can be impossible to influence a society for the better from atop a pedestal. but he's been right about things too. It's a profoundly difficult situation we live in.

[justdrew]

Republican trio push to militarize U.S. response to domestic terrorism
By Eric W. Dolan | Tuesday, April 23, 2013 16:58 EDT

Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC), John McCain (AZ), and Kelly Ayotte (NH) lashed out at liberals and libertarians on Tuesday, claiming it was dangerous to oppose the notion the United States was a “battlefield.”

The three senators have been pushing for Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be treated as an enemy combatant for intelligence purposes. The term enemy combatant was controversially used by the Bush administration to refer to alleged members of al-Qaeda and the Taliban, making them neither criminals nor prisoners of war.

Speaking on the Senate floor, the three Republicans said the government should expand the definition of an enemy combatant to include any domestic terrorists inspired by “radical Islam.” They said Tsarnaev should be interrogated as an enemy combatant before being transferred to the civilian justice system, despite the fact he is an American citizen.

“Ultimately, the broader question is whether you view the United States as part of the battlefield in the global fight against terrorists,” McCain remarked. “I know that some don’t. I, however, don’t see how we can avoid this fact… we cannot afford to build a wall between the fight against terrorists abroad and the fight against terrorists who are trying to attack us here at home, including when American citizens are involved in this fight, as some clearly are and will continue to be.”

Graham noted Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, was arrested as an “enemy combatant” in 2002 and detained at a U.S. navy prison in South Carolina for nearly four years without charge. He was allegedly tortured while in military custody. Unlike Tsarnaev, Padilla had connections to al-Qaeda.

“We’re at war with a radical ideology that hates everything that we stand for,” Graham added. “As a matter of fact, radical Islam is regenerating. And the way they are coming after us, is to find people in our own backyard and turn them against us.”

Ayotte argued the Obama administration was endangering Americans by not allowing Tsarnaev to be interrogated by the military without a lawyer.

“We have to acknowledge we are at war with radical Islamic jihadists that are seeking to kill us not for anything we’ve done, but for what we believe in and what we stand for,” she said.

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when people became more and more convinced that "the government" (which Americans still appear to have at least some ability to control) is the greatest threat to their liberties, they also became more and more trusting of an alternative, namely private enterprise (which Americans have even less ability to control).

If I represented the interests of private industry, I'd probably be very pleased about this development. I might even set about to foster it.

It's been working for them since the Progressive Era.

That's an awfully long time, too.

Depressing..
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Nice to see you, btw.

[Simulist]

Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC), John McCain (AZ), and Kelly Ayotte (NH) lashed out at liberals and libertarians on Tuesday, claiming it was dangerous to oppose the notion the United States was a “battlefield.”

Oh, for God's sake. If those three amigos actually believed the United States was a "battlefield," they'd maybe DO SOMETHING about all the ammunition that's available to would-be combatants, instead of opposing each and every sensible legislative effort to do precisely that.

Transparent liars, all three — including all the obvious intere$ts they take their marching orders from.

Nice to see you, btw.

Thank you.

[justdrew]

Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC), John McCain (AZ), and Kelly Ayotte (NH) lashed out at liberals and libertarians on Tuesday, claiming it was dangerous to oppose the notion the United States was a “battlefield.”

Oh, for God's sake. If those three amigos actually believed the United States was a "battlefield," they'd maybe DO SOMETHING about all the ammunition that's available to would-be combatants, instead of opposing each and every sensible legislative effort to do precisely that.

Transparent liars, all three — including all the obvious intere$ts they take their marching orders from.

the whole rightwing psiop network (from bloggers to pols to the hidden assets) may have overplayed it's hand.

and check this out...

apparently our oh so libertarian scold, this laughable little clown of a man, doesn't consider "criminal SUSPECTS" to be citizens?

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who filibustered for 13 hours in March 2013 against the idea of using military drone technology against U.S. citizens, said he supported them being used against criminal suspects in an interview with Fox Business Channel on Monday.

“I have never argued against any technology being used against having an imminent threat, [or] an act of crime going on,” Paul said, referring to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. “If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

According to Mediaite, host Neil Cavuto said he thought of Paul when watching thermal imagery of authorities surrounding Tsarnaev, who was found hiding on a boat stored in the backyard of a Watertown, Massachusetts home.

“Apparently with this thermal imaging, you can see a person behind a wall, or in this case, a cover,” Cavuto said. “And I’m thinking, ‘What else can these guys see? I didn’t even know they had that ability with a helicopter, to do that.”

Paul said there was a different between authorities searching for someone posing an “imminent threat” and conducting surveillance on a person’s residence. But he made no such distinction during his filibuster.

“I will speak as long as it takes, until the alarm is sounded from coast to coast that our Constitution is important,” Paul said on March 6. “That your rights to trial by jury are precious, that no American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found to be guilty by a court.”

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“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

Sig-lining.(Note to post: Please please please appear on page 84, stinkin'-leftist-est page in RI history.)

On edit: YES!

[Simulist]

Okay. Fine. Change your signature line. I told myself that I would copy your previous one... soon. Or, eventually. But it didn't. And now, it's gone. Could you please repost it, so that I can put it in the file I've got for Profound Poetic Reflections on What it is to be Human (PPRWH)? Seriously. Thanks.

[Hunter]

But is it the political right who has sought to try and privatize everything, for obvious reasons, if they privatize schools, prisons, the military/security etc, there is no congressional oversight to worry about, so conversely it is in those people's best interest to get people to distrust the govt and trust private enterprise more for that very reason.

[Hunter]

Wait I am confused, Rand Paul is the one who staged a fillibuster against the domestic use of drones, so what the hell is he doing saying THAT? What was the context of that quote, that is insane.

[Simulist]

Newsflash: Rand Paul is a liar and an opportunist, much like his dad.

[Hunter]

I wont argue that point, I am no fan of the Pauls.

[compared2what?]

Okay. Fine. Change your signature line. I told myself that I would copy your previous one... soon. Or, eventually. But it didn't. And now, it's gone. Could you please repost it, so that I can put it in the file I've got for Profound Poetic Reflections on What it is to be Human (PPRWH)? Seriously. Thanks.

Tell me not things past all belief;
One truth in you I prove;
The flame of anger, bright and brief,
Sharpens the barb of Love.

(Walter Savage Landor)