Keyword Hijacking Smackdown! Challenge for HMW (and poll)

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Keyword Hijacking - what do YOU say?

HMW's "Keyword Hijacking" is nuts.
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Some of his examples are nuts, but he's onto something.
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Pan is a jackass and should shut up and go away.
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HMW's "Keyword Hijacking" is real.
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Re: Support for Goofy.

Postby Jeff » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:40 pm

populistindependent wrote:Are we to suppose that any self-respecting intelligence agency would steer clear of the entertainment industry for fear that this would create conspiracy theorists some day in the future? Do you think they tell themselves "oh that is just entertainment, benign and neutral and it has no effect. Don't read too much into things?"


Certainly not, and I don't hear anyone saying that.

My objection to "keyword hijacking" isn't theoretical, because I don't see a theory. It's practical (at least as practiced by Hugh). His examples are absurd conjectures which he presents as uncontestable fact.
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Postby marmot » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 pm

Jeff wrote:My principal grievance is the perpetual disruption and redirection of other members' threads. And something had better be done about that, soon.


With all due respect Jeff, I don't understand this. Sometimes a thread doesn't get going until someone redirects the discussion along more discussable lines. HMW, imho only adds to the flare of the thread. I have never seen Hugh as a disruptive influence. Honestly, I don't understand where you're coming from. It's impossible to stay directly on topic with things without considering all the other pertinent issues bearing upon it.
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Postby FourthBase » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:50 pm

marmot wrote:
Jeff wrote:My principal grievance is the perpetual disruption and redirection of other members' threads. And something had better be done about that, soon.


With all due respect Jeff, I don't understand this. Sometimes a thread doesn't get going until someone redirects the discussion along more discussable lines. HMW, imho only adds to the flare of the thread. I have never seen Hugh as a disruptive influence. Honestly, I don't understand where you're coming from. It's impossible to stay directly on topic with things without considering all the other pertinent issues bearing upon it.


Come on now. Let's be real.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:54 pm

marmot wrote:It's impossible to stay directly on topic with things without considering all the other pertinent issues bearing upon it.


How was the movie 300 pertinent to Kerella's red rain? I believe that was the first reply in the thread. There wasn't much of a chance for discussion of any other issue after that.
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Grief!

Postby marmot » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:23 am

Jeff wrote:
marmot wrote:It's impossible to stay directly on topic with things without considering all the other pertinent issues bearing upon it.


How was the movie 300 pertinent to Kerella's red rain? I believe that was the first reply in the thread. There wasn't much of a chance for discussion of any other issue after that.


sorry, i didn't read any of that. neither have i watched the films 300 or red rain. i'm just feeling pretty sick in my stomach at how it seems a few heavy weights are ganging up on the Hugh Man. even if he posts some shit---is it not most always entertaining and informative shit? so what! at least it's not the crap Doodad would flap. why can't those who are not entertained by his posts pass over them. that's what i do with certain posters, i don't even read them---i'm truly limited on time like that. maybe i'm just clueless. it seems i'm most always edified by HMW's posts, and if what he's writing in the moment doesn't appeal to me i skip over it. i can read between the lines. he may say KH, i may even read something more darker and demonic than Hugh could ever dream of. He scratches in places where no else is scratching, and much of the time it smells of shit---but it ain't his shit! he's only saying 'look how we're manipulated, look at what is being done...'

but hey Jeff it's your board... and i'm thankful to have a voice on it
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Re: Grief!

Postby Jeff » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:49 am

marmot wrote:even if he posts some shit---is it not most always entertaining and informative shit? so what!


There are conspiracy boards that post disclaimers that they are for entertainment purposes only. I didn't want this to be one of them.

If Hugh contained the shit to his own threads we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And people have been wondering why starroute and Robert D Reed don't post anymore.
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Re: Grief!

Postby marmot » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:55 am

Jeff wrote:
marmot wrote:even if he posts some shit---is it not most always entertaining and informative shit? so what!


There are conspiracy boards that post disclaimers that they are for entertainment purposes only. I didn't want this to be one of them.

If Hugh contained the shit to his own threads we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And people have been wondering why starroute and Robert D Reed don't post anymore.


Fair Enough! but i was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with the 'entertainment' angle...

i don't personally come here to be entertained but specifically to be informed
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Not the tools, the DECIDERS.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:10 am

Attack Ships on Fire wrote:The real game isn't keyword hijacking, it's reality hijacking, and it's bigger, badder and scarier than any keyword hijacking scenario that Hugh has dreamed up. And the scariest part is the proof is everywhere around us yet here we are debating about whether Don Knotts and Jerry Lewis are somehow in on it.


If you're wondering if Don Knotts and Jerry Lewis are 'in on it' then you REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.

sorry to shout.

Actors don't make the decisions that put 'Borat' or 'The Golden Compass' or 'Star Wars' on the side of my city's buses.

Movies are like wars, they are started and financed and given greenlights for release dates WAY UP THE FOOD CHAIN.

sorry again.

Pat Tillman didn't start the invasion of Afghanistan but he was a very useful unwitting asset. GET IT?

damn. And you wonder why I repeat myself!

You are absolutely correct about 'reality-jacking.' We are drowing in fiction and it is laced with psy-ops, too! That's what I'm pointing at! If everyone is drinking out of the fiction river, don't you think it has been spiked upstream?

Hey, quick! What kind of guy does the word 'Mulder' mean to you?
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A hopelessly searching 'conspiracy theorist' who belongs in the National Enquirer?
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What? Not that the South African military tried to buy a Washington DC newpaper to do pro-apartheid propaganda? Connie Mulder? 'Muldergate?' 'The Information Scandal?'
Gosh, why didn't you immediately think that?
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Think audiences were just clamoring to see a TV series about military courts? No.
But they got conditioned by J.A.G. long before the Military Commissions Act of 2006 eliminated habeus corpus and the Enlightenment.

Parents don't even know how their children's minds are shaped and when.
I see hippie-looking young women dressing their cute little girls up in military camo and I stop them and ask them what they think about this and they say, "oh, it's just cute."

No concept of conditioning, normalization, de-sensitization....none.
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Red rain op was disinfo.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:27 am

Jeff wrote:.....

How was the movie 300 pertinent to Kerella's red rain? I believe that was the first reply in the thread. There wasn't much of a chance for discussion of any other issue after that.


Anyone could've posted anything they wanted about red rain.
I still find it fascinating and am frustrated that you locked the thread.

I don't think you actually read these threads as closely as we do.
Admit that the original post article was by a disinformationist. And I nearly as possible proved it.

That doesn't mean that 'red rain' ITSELF is only psy-ops but we had damn well learn how to examine sources...at...Rigorous Intuition?

And someone else who does science posted and confirmed that the disinfoteer's numbers didn't make sense and confirmed that it was an effort to come up with 300s.

So the original post article was psy-ops! Yum. My favorite target.
I eat those bastards for breakfast.

So I worked with the original post source.
That's a really really good place to start, don't you think?

In fact, I showed how her crap about the mini-dragonflys, which you had written up, was disinfo in tandem with the CIA-Washington Post which used a similiar article to chill protest and sow disinfo about 9/11 by suggesting that remote-controlled flight was new or in the future. Ahh...

That was JUST from my dissecting the SOURCE of the original post article.

There was NOTHING that stopped anyone from posting additional info on red rain and I wish they had.

Monster grumbled that 'I ruined it' and even vowed to trash any thread I started!
That's why he's got that sig quote.

People should know the difference between not bothering to post themselves and my 'ruining' a thread. Just post it! Please. Even you, Pan. :P
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Re: Grief!

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:35 am

Jeff wrote:...
There are conspiracy boards that post disclaimers that they are for entertainment purposes only. I didn't want this to be one of them.

If Hugh contained the shit to his own threads we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And people have been wondering why starroute and Robert D Reed don't post anymore.


I found out that New Scientist magazine has an 'entertaiment only disclaimer.

I've been writing for two years that learning is preferable to dabbling.
No way I'm in this for fun.

I'm pointing at how mass mind control is actually deployed, nuts and bolts, not just 'alien abductees' or 'Manchurian Candidates.'

I'm pointing at how history is steered with psycho-linguistics deployed through multi-media campaigns.

Robert D Reed was great to read.
He and I debated Robin Moore's background. And I showed him Moore was a spook starting novels meant to become movies, a demographic stepladder.
Please don't suggest that *I* drove him off.

Heck, I'm seeing some very thoughtful posts in this thread.
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Postby populistindependent » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:46 am

The smart people think that it is just the dumb people who are being manipulated - Brittany Spears! WalMart shoppers! Fox news viewers! Man are they all a bunch of dumb asses! and so forth.

The smart people are being led to think that.

The propaganda aimed at the dumb people is so obvious - a little too obvious maybe?

I think the propaganda aimed at the smart people is much more sophisticated and powerful, and an important part of that propaganda is a false idea as to where the propaganda is happening and who it is aimed at.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:04 am

Jeff is wise, even if he doesn't want to be.

Poor guy.
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Postby professorpan » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:29 am

I really didn't want to turn this thread into a "Hugh, love him or hate him?" poll. I thought that an honest, out-in-the-open evaluation of "keyword hijacking" would be an edifying experience for this board.

I have no animosity to Hugh, who I find to be oddly endearing in his singular brand of zealous evangelizing. His threadjacking drives men nuts, but this wasn't supposed to be about that, either. Really -- I'm not into character assassination. But fallacy assassination? Sign me up.

My goal is not to flagellate a manatee -- it's to address an idea that the manatee pimps with wild abandon. Not the control of media. Not Walt Disney's alliance with the military. Not obscure linguistic theories, or how words or phrases can be used to obscure or persuade.

That's all good stuff, and Hugh has an impressive and wide knowledge of propaganda and covert history.

That's not what this thread was about. It was an exasperated attempt to discuss an idea. To take one example and hold it up to the light.

But never mind.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:11 am

professorpan wrote: fallacy assassination? Sign me up.

It was an exasperated attempt to discuss an idea. To take one example and hold it up to the light.

But never mind.


And some glom or grasp onto Hugh's not-so-rigorous ideas in order to boost their own.

I feel you pan, sloppy thinking leads to sloppy group-think. And sloppy group think is the stuff of destructive cults.
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"Assimilation to Linguistic Habits"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:21 am

(The science of packaging a message and getting it to travel and stick to the mind is now called viral marketing and branding. The template for the processes involved are in the way rumors work and they were much studied after WWII.

The text below describes how a rumor or story inevitably boils down to keywords and what the attributes are of a story that sticks in our minds. These are precisely the things to know if suppressed information is to be dismembered and the narrative components turned into benign decoys that stick in the mind better than the original story.

Example: The assassination of Robert Kennedy with a hypnoprogrammed patsy firing blanks to be framed up and jailed is complicated. But Disney's 'Ratatouille' with a rat guiding the hands of a human in a kitchen is simple and gets to kid's minds first.
Notice again the value of "primacy," getting to the mind first. -HMW)
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'Public Opinion and Propaganda: A Book of Readings, Edited for the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues,' 1954

Chapter - The Basic Psychology of Rumor, pages 398- 402

What happens in real life and laboratory rumors is a complex course of distortion in which three interrelated tendencies are clearly distinguishable.

Leveling

As rumor travels, it tends to grow shorter, more concise, more easily grasped and told. In successive versions, fewer words are used and fewer details are mentioned.
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Sharpening

We may define sharpening as the selective perception, retention, and reporting of a limited number of details from a larger context. Sharpening is inevitably the reciprocal of leveling. The one cannot exist without the other, for what little remains to a rumor after leveling has taken place is by contrast unavoidably featured.
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One way in which the sharpening seems to be determined is through the retention of odd, or attention-getting words which, having appeared early in the series, catch the attention of each successive listener and are often passed on in preference to other details intrinsically more important to the story.
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There is also a temporal sharpening manifested in the tendency to describe events as occurring in the immediate present. What happens in the here and now is of greatest interest and importance to the perceiver.
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Sharpening often takes place where there is a clear implication of movement.
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Relative size is also a primary determinant of attention. Objects that are prominent because of their size tend to be retained and sharpened.
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There are verbal as well as physical determinants of attention. Thus, there is a pronounced tendency for labels to persist, especially if they serve to set the stage for the story. .....To explain this type of sharpening, we may invoke the desire of the subject to achieve some spatial and temporal schema for the story to come. Such orientation is essential in ordinary life and appears to constitute a strong need even when imaginal material is dealt with.
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An additional factor making for preferential retention of spatial and temporal labels is the primacy effect. An item that comes first in a series is likely to be better remembered than subsequent items. Usually, the label indicating place and time comes at the beginning of a report and thus benefits by the primacy effect.
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Sharpening also occurs in relation to familiar symbols.
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Explanations added by the reporter to the description transmitted to him comprise the final form of sharpening. They represent a tendency to put 'closure' upon a story which is otherwise felt to be incomplete. They illustrate the effort after 'meaning' which customarily haunts the subject who finds himself in an unstructured situtation.
Such need for sharpening by explanation becomes especially strong when the story has been badly distorted and the report contains implausible and incompatible items.
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Here, perhaps, is the place to take issue with the popular notion that rumors tend to expand like snowballs, become elaborate and verbose. Actually, the course of a rumor is toward brevity...Such exaggeration as exists is nearly always a sharpening of some feature resident in the original stimulus-situation. The distortion caused by sharpening is, of course, enormous in extent; but we do not find that we need the category of "elaboration" to account for the changes we observe.
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Assimilation

It is apparent that both leveling and sharpening are selective processes. But what is it that leads to the obliteration of some details and the pointing-up of others; and what accounts for all transpositions, importations, and other falsifications that mark the course of rumor? The answer is to be found in the process of assimilation, which has to do with the powerful attractive force exerted upon rumor by habits, interests, and sentiments existing in the listener's mind.

Assimilation to Principal Theme

It generally happens that items become sharpened or leveled to fit the leading motif of the story, and they become consistent with this motif in such a way as to make the resulting story more coherent, plausible, and well-rounded.
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Good Continuation

Falsifications of perception and memory...occur in the interests of bringing about a more coherent, consistent mental configuration. Every detail is assimilated to the principal theme, and "good continuation" is sought, in order to round out meaning where it is lacking or incomplete.

Assimilation by Condensation

It sometimes seems as though memory tries to burden itself as little as possible. For instance, instead of remembering two items, it is more economical to fuse them into one.
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Assimilation to Expectation

Just as details are changed or imported to bear out the simplified theme that the listener has in mind, so also many items take a form that supports the agent's habits of thought.
Things that are perceived are remembered the way they usually are.
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The most spectacular of all our assimilation distortions is the finding that, in more than half of our experiments, a razor moves (in the telling) from a white man's hand to a Negro's hand (Fig. 1). This result is a clear instance of assimilation to stereotyped expectancy. Black men are "supposed" to carry razors, white men not.

Assimilation to Linguistic Habits

Expectency is often merely a matter of fitting perceived and remembered material to preexisting cliches, which exert a powerful influence in the conventionalization of rumors.
Words often arouse compelling familiar images in the listener's mind and fix for him the categories in which he must think of the event and the value that he must attach to it.
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Assimilation to Prejudice

...the rumor, though mischievous, may reflect chiefly an assimilation of the story to verbal-cliches and conventional expectation. Distortion in this case may not mean assimilation to hostility. Much so-called prejudice is, of course, a mere matter of conforming to current folkways by accepting prevalent beliefs about an out-group.
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.....even under laboratory conditions, we find assimilation in terms of deep-lying emotional predispositions. Our rumors, like those of everyday life, tend to fit into, and support, the occupational interests, class or racial memberships, or personal prejudices of the reporter.

Conclusion, the Embedding Process

Leveling, sharpening, and assimilation are not independent mechanisms. They function simultaneously, and reflect a singular subjectifying process that results in the autism and falsification which are so characteristic of rumor. If we were to attempt to summarize what happens in a few words we might say:

[ Whenever a stimulus field is of potential importance to an individual, but at the same time unclear, or susceptible of divergent interpretations, a subjective structuring process is started. Although the process is complex (involving, as it does, leveling, sharpening, and assimilation), its essential nature can be characterized as an effort to reduce the stimulus to a simple and meaningful structure that has adaptive significance for the individual in terms of his own interests and experience. The process begins at the moment the ambiguous situation is perceived, but the effects are greatest if memory intervenes. The longer the time that elapses after the stimulus is perceived the greater the threefold change is likely to be, until the rumor has reached an aphoristic brevity, and is repeated rote. ]

Now, this three-pronged process turns out to be characteristic not only of rumor but of the individual memory function as well. It has been uncovered and described in the experiments of Wulf, Gibson, Allport, and, in Barlett's memory experiments carried out both on individuals and on groups.
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For the lack of a better designation, we speak of the three-fold change as the embedding process. What seems to occur in all our experiments and in all related studies is that each subject find the outer stimulus-world far too hard to grasp and retain in its objective character. For his own personal uses, it must be recast to fit not only his own span of retention, but, likewise, his own personal needs and interests. What was outer becomes inner; what was objective becomes subjective. In telling a rumor, the kernal of objective information that he received has become so embedded into his own dynamic mental life that the product is chiefly one of projection.
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