Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties

[biaothanatoi]

You can all go fuck yourselves now, this board sucks.

Then fuck off.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

I will shortly, don't worry about it. In the meantime, one look at your www page shows exactly who has a preoccupation with what here.

[lightningBugout]

Why do I have the feeling "sexkindergarten" is going to draw some very creepy new google hits from hard-to-trace IPs in the Netherlands?

[biaothanatoi]

In the meantime, one look at your www page shows exactly who has a preoccupation with what here.

Yep, another page out of the pro-paedophile propaganda manual.

"Everyone who works in the field of child abuse does so because they have an unhealthy interest in the subject/are sexually repressed/are perverse."

[orz]

I will shortly,

What are you waiting for?

[hmm]

Why do I have the feeling "sexkindergarten" is going to draw some very creepy new google hits from hard-to-trace IPs in the Netherlands?

because you are "mistaken"? :p

for one ip's in the netherlands are not hard to trace

now if you had said,
the netherlands is a important and overlooked nexus in the military-industrial-complex and the drugs-guns-people smuggling that go with it, that would be a fair comment...

now about the case in hand, i personally have a simple way of looking at things, i trust the children that claim abuse more than i do adults who deny it.

what does suprise me is how slow/uninterested the news media is,it should be trivial to trace and interview those claimed to be at a large gathering like this and get at least one or two to confess,squirm,or unplausably deny on camera/tape...

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Yep, another page out of the pro-paedophile propaganda manual.

"Everyone who works in the field of child abuse does so because they have an unhealthy interest in the subject/are sexually repressed/are perverse."

Yeah, except you don't work in the field of child abuse do you? You just post about it on a UFO/NWO/SRA board and then, if someone dares cast a doubt about a particular case, accuse that person of reeking of pedophilia, that's what you occupy yourself with; a particular case with a strong resemblace to well-documented cases like McMartin and the Little Rascals fiasco btw. Is it propedophile to mention those? Should you deny they ever happened to stay clear of possible suspicion? Now it's all fine and dandy on an internet board, but just imagine this mentality in a small community, even better yet: imagine it in a jury and you see how easy it would be to get carried away into a way of thinking that can cause real damage, maybe not as horrific as the RA-stuff you blog about, but damage nonetheless. But I guess Salvador Dali was right and the number one love affair of America is with suffering little children.

BTW re: UFO if you want to have an encouter with another species flying through our skies, try birdwatching. But birds are not fascinating enough for some people. Same mentality IMO, though much more innocent.

because you are "mistaken"? :p

for one ip's in the netherlands are not hard to trace

now if you had said,
the netherlands is a important and overlooked nexus in the military-industrial-complex and the drugs-guns-people smuggling that go with it, that would be a fair comment...

I totally agree, though fail to see the relevance.

Quote:
I will shortly,

What are you waiting for?

Thank you for asking. I was waiting for a little common sense. However I understand now how ridiculous this was. So bye! Don't forget to have fun.

[hmm]

because you are "mistaken"? :p

for one ip's in the netherlands are not hard to trace

now if you had said,
the netherlands is a important and overlooked nexus in the military-industrial-complex and the drugs-guns-people smuggling that go with it, that would be a fair comment...

I totally agree, though fail to see the relevance.

hmm, the point, the point..the relevance...

organised pedophilia does exist, and though i dont personally believe in satan that doesnt mean that there isnt evidence of ritualistic abuse..
why these people ritually abuse is a important thing to ponder in my opinion..

my point about the netherlands was, just because someone makes a silly statement about IP's and someone else comes up with a dutch "satanic panic" case (which we could even argue about) this doesnt mean that there are not OTHER cases in holland of organised pedophilia and i was hinting at the WHY of there being these cases..

an example is the case of Joris Demmink, the head of the dutch judiciary who is battling to keep his full name out of the media for years in connection with his prediliction for young boys..
how he keeps it out of the media?
by confessing in private to the media and at the same time getting the state and his superiors and his lawyers to threaten the same media he confessed to..strange or?

evidence of this coverup can be found on the site of the dutch press council where these complaints of his against the media have been playing out http://www.rvdj.nl/ (in dutch and hard to find because his name isnt in the complaints, he's on there as person X and so can only be found if you know the date and publication he is protesting against)

why it is relevant?
he is said to be being blackmailed by the turkish state end of the drugs nexus in a case involving a kurdish "drugs dealer" or "whistleblower"
(depending on your politics) named Huseyin Baybasin, his lawyer has evidence of manipulated phone taps among other things...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/nov/1 ... l.ukcrime1

Last year Huseyin Baybasin was arrested in the Netherlands as part of a global crackdown on his activities. He faced a life sentence if convicted of charges of conspiracy to murder, kidnapping and drug-smuggling. He pleaded not guilty to all the charges. His defence, however, was not that he did not smuggle drugs - something to which he freely admitted during a newspaper interview before his arrest - but that he was acting on behalf of the Turkish Government. 'I consider myself to be an official, a diplomat, a policeman,' he told the Amsterdam newspaper De Volkskrant.

He admitted that his wealth came from heroin, but said he became head one of the world's biggest drugs syndicates only with the full support of Turkish politicians, police officials and the Turkish security service, the MIT. Despite this, he was convicted.

this is only a tiny part of what is going on in the netherlands in regard to this case AND many others you hardly hear about that revolve around drugs,weapons,pedophilia,people smuggling, and high level coverups..

have i made my point? :)

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Well it's the end of another busy workday for me so I'll give this another reply. Yes, you have made your point and the Baybasin case is interesting. A great source of info (mostly in dutch) about this is http://www.nwo-info.nl There's indeed a lot of angles on that case, however the Joris Demmink angle I'm not to sure about. To me the whole blackmail idea seems absurd, firstly because you can actually blackmail someone with or without evidence! Second, because it would be seriously overestimating the importance of Joris Demmink's position. Having said that, it certainly seems he has a thing for young boys and he might have overstepped the boundaries of what is legal and what is not in the Netherlands. However the young boys prostitution (14-18 yrs), though it certainly is a dirty business, ahs been around forever and probably will be. This to me seems like soemthing different than preteens performing in fornt of 100 people, for reasons I have stated above. And even though even that might happen somewhere (let's hope not), the particular case discussed in this topic doesn't seem really convincing to me, again fopr reasons stated above and again without condoning or wanting to close my eyes or approving any of this stuff. Byyyyyyyyyye

[lightningBugout]

hmm you did realize i was joking, yes?

[hmm]

[quote="Pierre d'Achoppement"] A great source of info (mostly in dutch) about this is http://www.nwo-info.nl There's indeed a lot of angles on that case, however the Joris Demmink angle I'm not to sure about. /quote]

the original site for this information (and MUCH more) is www.stelling.nl
although it is in dutch..

as for the original topic,im reserving judgement and hoping for more media coverage

[hmm]

hmm you did realize i was joking, yes?

shush :P joking or smoking i saw a oppertunity and i ran with it hehe
hope i didnt offend you :)

[Jeff]

Not for the first time I wish I understood Dutch. I'd like to learn more about Joris Demmink and the accusations against him, but there's very little en anglais. (Or even in high school French, malheuresement.)

[hmm]

Not for the first time I wish I understood Dutch. I'd like to learn more about Joris Demmink and the accusations against him, but there's very little en anglais. (Or even in high school French, malheuresement.)

the netherlands connects up to so much of interest and it is hard to find english information..
right the way back to WWII/prescot bush/thyssen and all the way forward to jack abramoff with a little A.Q. Khan in the middle..

i know it needs translating, i feel the need to do it, i think i have the courage, i just dont know if i have the energy and time.. and i KNOW i need some serious legal advice (and insurance against libel!) beforehand if i was going to "publish" this in the way it needs to be (free speech is different in europe)

If you have any specific questions Jeff, i could see what i can do about translating certain information, the only problem is that this information goes so deep and in so many directions that once one starts it will only lead to more questions, more translations...

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Just one more thing about http://www.nwo-info.nl this is not a copycat site of stelling.nl it actually is vastly superior. The webstie owner mr. drs. Bou is in direct contact with the legal team of Baybasin (Plas advocaten), and is in need of some translator skills as well (from turkish to dutch).