Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

[Montag]

Digging Deeper in Years into Wikileaks’ Treasure Chest- Part I
by Sibel Edmonds

December 3, 2010
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/12 ... st-part-i/

A Fairly Short List of Goodies for Wikileaks Santa

I have been waiting. I have been searching and reading. I have been waiting impatiently while searching and reading the initial pile of recently released Wikileaks’ documents, specifically those pertaining to Turkey. I have received many e-mails asking me impatiently to comment and provide my analyses on this latest international exposé. I am being impatiently patient in doing so, and here is a brief explanation as to why:

There’s so much I don’t know. I don’t know how real this entire deal actually is. If truly ‘real,’ I don’t know how far and deep the involved documents actually go. Many of my trusted friends tell me it is indeed real. A few trusted friends and advisors are ringing cautionary bells. I am truly pro transparency, and considering the abusive nature and use of secrecy and classification, I am mostly pro leak when the information in question involves criminal deeds and intentions.

During the previous release (Afghan Files), in my gut I was a bit bothered by the direction of some of these released documents – pointing towards Iran – which was generously milked by the US mainstream media. But then again, that was only based on some gut feeling, and I didn’t want to pour out analyses and opinion solely based on ‘some gut feeling.’ So far, some of the first cache of the recently released documents is strongly pointing towards Iran, and that too is bothering the heck out of me. But again, in my gut, and that alone is not sufficient to make me sit and analyze and interpret. So this is why I’ve been impatiently patient, waiting for more. Meanwhile, while I am restraining myself and being uncharacteristically patient, I am going to go on record and tell you what I expect to see if this whole deal proves to be completely genuine, and if the obtained files go as far as they say they go.

I prepared a long list of items (documented diplomatic correspondence) I know to be included in diplomatic communications which took place between the mid 90s and early 2000s. I know I have a fairly large credit due with Santa since I’ve never made a wish list for him; ever. He owes me. He knows it and I know it. While that justifies my very long list (now you know I am old!!) I am going to exercise a little bit of fairness and present my list in manageable quantities and intervals. I hope my Wikileaks Santa has ‘word/phrase search’ technology at his disposal, because that would make his task of sorting and finding my requested items a far easier task. Okay, here it goes Wikileaks Santa, my first list for you, may your immensely large goodies bag contain these items highly beneficial for not only me but many others here and abroad:

1- 1994-1996: Communication pertaining to joint US-Turkey operations against former Azerbaijani president Heydar Aliyev, including at least one ‘mock’ assassination attempt in Azerbaijan.

2- 1994-1997: Communication between the US State Department, US Embassy in Ankara, and Turkish Prime Minister’s office pertaining to using the Azerbaijan president’s family members’ (including his son Ilham Aliyev) casino debts accumulated in Turkey as means to blackmail on the Pipeline project and Russia’s pending proposal.

3- 1994-1995: Communication pertaining to US-Turkey coordination on transferring several groups of Mujahideen from Pakistan-Afghanistan-Saudi Arabia to Bosnia via Turkey using Turkish special military planes into Turkey, and after granting Mujahideen Turkish passports, via NATO planes from Turkey to several Balkan countries, including Romania.

4- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US involvement in Turkish casino expansions in Azerbaijan and free-ownership (partnership) being granted to key Azeri political figures and their family members for future ‘leverage’.

5- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US ‘off the book’ money transfers to Turkish paramilitary members and the president of Kazakhstan using several accounts in Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank.

6- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US ‘off the book’ wire transfers through Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank to two Chechen leaders with Turkish citizenship for prearranged arm procurement deals via front dealers in Dubai.

7- 1995-1997: Communication pertaining to US negotiation with two top Turkish casino owners for casino projects to be established in Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan with Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank acting as the primary banking conduit; the bank’s primary role: conduit for payments obtained for US weapons’ shipment transfer to ‘black-listed’ recipients via False End User Certificates

8- 1995: Communications pertaining to special requests by the US Embassy in Ankara for the immediate release of Yasar OZ, who was detained by DEA in New Jersey on heroin importing and distribution charges. Per US State Department order Yasar OZ was immediately released and his file became classified.

9- 1996-1997: Communication pertaining to ‘evacuating’ (pulling out) then US Ambassador to Turkey Marc Grossman, due to a ‘secret’ warrant by the Susurluk commission seeking his testimony on involvement with illegal Turkish paramilitary operations targeting the Caucasus and Central Asia.

10- 1997-1998: Communication pertaining to a ‘special request’ for urgently granting US residency to Turkish paramilitary director Mehmet Eymur, who directed several criminal operations, including assassination plots against foreign leaders, as part of joint US- ‘Special’ NATO operations in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

[Montag]

More "crumbs" and "gossip" from another "wackjob":

[Montag]

Who's doing this and what do they have to gain by it? What a crazy question!

[AlicetheKurious]

Isn't it amazing how Wilson can answer all those questions without once mentioning the IAEA and the NPT? That's what I call a red flag.

[Elvis]

My hero Sibel Edmonds wrote:

Okay, here it goes Wikileaks Santa, my first list....

The Wikileaks State Dept. cables, I understand, are all classified "Secret" but the juicier stuff is probably more like "Top Secret." If Sibel's wishlist items don't appear in the leaked cache, it doesn't necessarily mean they've been filtered out or doctored.

I might sometimes state the obvious, but sometimes the obvious is forgotten or ignored in favor of 'confirmation bias'.

Sibel again:

There’s so much I don’t know.

This simple wisdom too often falls before the double-time march to certitude.

[slimmouse]

Im still undecided on the whole nature of the wikileaks stuff. At the moment I tend to lean to the "genuine" camp.
I lean this way since I feel the entire episode is creating vibrations that the reptiles* clearly dont like.

One thing is for sure - we do live in interesting times.

* please treat this term as a metaphor - for the sake of harmony.

[Plutonia]

WikiRebels: "A new documentary of WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange is now available online after airing on Swedish television this weekend. WikiRebels summarizes the WikiLeaks controversy and interviews many people close to the organization.
Sweden’s public service television, SVT, aired an hour-long documentary on WikiLeaks, its members and its recent detractors..."

Two things; it's in English and around the halfway point Wikileaks spawn Daniel Domscheit-Berg, confirms my assertion that the project is an outflow of "systems" analysis.

http://svtplay.se/v/2264028/wikirebels_the_documentary

[Plutonia]

Where In the World Is WikiLeaks Mirrored? [Google Earth]

By Mike Melanson / December 10, 2010 9:16 AM / 6 Comments

The WikiLeaks saga of the last two weeks has been illustrative, if nothing else, of the importance of the decentralization of the Internet in relation to the freedom of information. An attempt to stifle a voice in one location simply leads to that voice springing from another, like a leak from a rusted pipe or a Whac-A-Mole arcade game.

WikiLeaks currently has well over 1,000 mirrors, which host the same data in different locations in case the parent site is taken down, and one Harvard developer has gathered all of these mirrors into a Google Earth visualization to show from whence these leaks have sprung.



In order to create the visualization, Laurence Muller wrote a PHP script to scrape the primary list of WikiLeaks mirrors on the WikiLeaks site. He found 1,334 URLs and used GeoLite City to resolve each of them to a relatively specific (city-wide) geospatial location. Finally, he converted the list of related URLs, IP addresses and longitude/latitude coordinates into KML format for use with Google Earth. The result is a series of pins on a 3D globe showing all of the locations, globally, where WikiLeaks data is being mirrored.

Taking a quick look at the data, you can see that many of the mirrors are located throughout Europe, though they can be found as far and wide as South America, North America, Asia and Africa. They are all over the globe.

Earlier this week, Marshall Kirkpatrick took a similar look at how WikiLeaks' data spread though decentralized, peer-to-peer networks, such as on the bittorrent site The Pirate Bay. He came up with a great bunch of stats that show just how difficult it can be to stifle the spread of information with tools like bittorent and dedicated mirror sites. This same sort of map for bittorent seeds would likely show an even greater global distribution.

If you have installed the Google Earth Plug-In you can take a look for yourself at the mapped out data. And if you're even more of a geo-location geek, Muller has made the data available for download on his blog.

[Montag]

Yes, those mirroring it have bought in.

[barracuda]

Right. What a bunch o' suckers.

[Montag]

Right. What a bunch o' suckers.

Didja watch the Joe Wilson video? Ya might want to look at that... And my reaction to that is Wilson doesn't want to say it is the US (at least publically) b/c some might attack his patriotism. He knows what this looks like, but it's much safer for him to say enemy intelligence services are behind it...

Btw, I found that video on Larry Johnson's blog. So right in a row we've got Sibel Edmonds, Joe Wilson, and Larry Johnson all open to the argument that this is information that is wanted out there by someone other than Wikileaks and lovers of transparency and democracy.

[barracuda]

Didja watch the Joe Wilson video? Ya might want to look at that... And my reaction to that is Wilson doesn't want to say it is the US (at least publically) b/c some might attack his patriotism. He knows what this looks like, but it's much safer for him to say enemy intelligence services are behind it...

You're trying to sell that to the wrong guy. I was never a big booster of Joe Wilson, or Valerie Plame for that matter - they're both a couple of spooks, and if you understand that, you understand something real about the nature of diplomacy today, and by inference, something about the leaked cables. The cables are a stab at the very heart of Joe Wilson's life's work. He may be scared his own words will be found amongst the thousands of pages to come. Diplomats, it turns out, don't really do "diplomacy" anymore. In the day of fully encrypted communication channels, theres very little need for guys like Joe Wilson to ferry sealed dispatch pouches around the world. He's a spy. What I see when I look at Joe Wilson on CNN is the CIA telling me just what the CIA wants me to think.

As well, I hate to tell you, I'm not a Sibel Edmonds fanboy either. She had her chance and never really took it, at least, she never put her life on the line to reveal what she knew, and maybe still hasn't. Her big "revelation" in court last year let the air out of that balloon.

[Montag]

Joe Wilson could have any agenda at this point (I'm sure what happened to him burned a lot of bridges)... IMO what I'm observing is people who actually have knowledge about this stuff smelling a rat, and conspiracy deniers and those who are pretty ignorant on matters of intelligence just lop this up with a spoon (Wikileaks) -- but they'd have to know something to expect anything.

A lot of things can go both ways, a spook can be a whistle blower or someone still very much in the fold of the company I think. I read something of Jim DiEugenio's where he talks about people who write on intelligence matters. There's the type that are stenographers for the CIA, and those who actually take what they get and look to debunk it and see what validity that the information has. Journalists of intelligence can get very comfortable with the people that they cover. Like the journalists who get too comfortable with Washington politicians and just kiss their butt. All of us really have to be like these journalists that take information, and dissect it, and try to corroborate it -- as best as we are able to. Not expect establishment newspapers to hand us the truth.

[barracuda]

Joe Wilson is not someone I want to politically align myself with. His company's business strategy involves provoking tribal war in Darfur. And I would be very reticent to trust CIA/State Department officials public opinions regarding the sacrosanctity of State Department secrets. That might include Larry Johnson as well.

[Project Willow]

Joe Wilson could have any agenda at this point (I'm sure what happened to him burned a lot of bridges)... IMO what I'm observing is people who actually have knowledge about this stuff smelling a rat, and conspiracy deniers and those who are pretty ignorant on matters of intelligence just lop this up with a spoon -- but they'd have to know something to expect anything.

FWIW as I have no citation, just experience. Joe Wilson is a manipulative, evil SOB. It literally made me shake to watch all the lefties sing in the poor Joe chorus at the time of the Plame affair. Hell, he and the company got so much mileage out of that it qualifies as a psyop. His agenda is to protect the elite intelligence cult to which he belongs so he can continue to shit all over useless eaters like you, and meat-robots like me.