As a matter of fact, having reviewed the other thread on which I voluntarily admitted that I'd "conflated" Co$ and anti-pharmapsychosis; in light of my very, very plain and easy-to-grap statements on this one regarding what the actual crux of my problem with it actually was; and aslo my repeated statements to the same effect on the thread that AD was
DISHONEST AND DECEPTIVE enough to cite here (which you didn't apparently believe then and don't believe now, but which I did mean then and now), I'd like to revise what I said earlier:
I don't just very infrequently use Scientology as a rhetorical poison pill that somehow prohibits debate on all the other stated grounds. I never do.
So please produce some citations from a thread on which it was my only argument, my chief argument, or an argument that I somehow used in order unfairly to stifle debate over other issues or over anything at all, OR STOP MAINTAINING THAT IT HAPPENS. Because neither I nor anyone else ever does it. In fact, afaik, the only thread on which it
was an issue that brought debate to a halt was
this one, on which undead got called out for using
actually false and distorted Co$ propaganda and then, when challenged, supporting it with more
actually false and distorted Co$ propaganda. Thus leading to the ban on linking to -- though not necessarily on citing -- Co$ sources.
I wasn't a participant in that thread. But as I understood it, that prohibition arose from admin's wish to keep the amount of pure and undiluted actually false and distorted propaganda that was being posted to the board to a reasonable minimum without unduly infringing on the rights of posters to speak and associate freely within reason.
Subsequent to its institution, there have, in fact, been numerous citations of Co$/CCHR materials, all of which went uncensored, though the integrity of quite a few of them was successfully challenged
by, incidentally, posters other than myself.Because I very rarely even fucking bring the subject up. And please check out the autism/vaccine threads if you don't fucking believe me. As it happens, with maybe two or three exceptions, they're virtually the only threads on which I've participated much that involved a topic where the issue might even had arisen.
AND WHY? Well, there's a very simple answer to that: Because they weren't started by AD or undead. I tend not to post to their threads, due to their various underhanded and hostile rhetorical tactics. Such as repeatedly accusing me of using Scientology as a poison pill when I've done nothing of the fucking kind.
Which is more or less what they and others have been doing since the ban on linking to Co$ was instituted -- ie, bitching about how oppressive and ludicrous it is,
without ever producing any examples of it being either.
Granted, that ban did, in fact, greatly, greatly reduce the number of antipsych threads and posts that undead, at least, had until that point regularly been contributing to the general RI mix. Without any very significant, focused or sustained interference from me, I might add. In fact, I voluntarily dropped out of the one thread on which my presence was causing him agita. And I did that partly in order to spare him the humiliation of being caught lying, and partly because I didn't want to kill a thread on what appeared to be a rewarding and engaging topic for the majority of the RI community.
IOW: I did it out of consideration for the majority preference. AND WHY? Well. Because I don't myself have any particular axe to grind in connection with it. I just have a dissenting opinion. It's a very strongly held and considered opinion, true. But I'm confident enough in it for my own purposes not to have any need to impose it on others out of nothing more than sheer egotism. I object on principle when I do object.
But even then, others are perfectly free to go on prioritizing their own principles over mine. And when that's exactly what they do, I have no fucking further problem with it. It's when they go out of their way to seek me out and set me up as a fall-guy for a non-fucking-existent crime against their freedoms and a non-fucking-existent insult to what, starting with
THIS THREAD AND NOT BEFORE I'm no longer willing to pretend is anything other than their non-fucking-existent good faith and good will.
I really don't know what else to say.
You, Sounder -- whom I totally love, btw -- have
NO BASIS for contending that Scientology is used as a poison pill. By me. Or by anyone else. Read my fucking posts and the fucking follow-ups to them. I
always make clearly articulated arguments for my position that have
nothing whatso-fucking-ever to do with Scientology. Which I don't even mention as a factor more often than not. And usually mention as a subsidiary one when I do.Grrr. It's so totally fucking typical and completely consistent with the dishonest and deceptive rhetorical tactics that I was referring to earlier that instead of objecting to the hit that their posting portfolios took as a result of admin's prohibition on Scilon sources, those assholes are creating a straw-man bad guy out of me.
I object. Strenuously.
CITATIONS. IN CONTEXT. OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND RETRACTIONS IF YOU HAVE THE DECENCY TO CARE THAT YOU WERE WRONG.
THANK YOU. More in a moment.
