Trayvon Martin

[General Patton]

It may seem like a small thing, but it's really huge. We are being trained not to trust the evidence of our own senses, but instead to defer to "experts" with fancy machines to interpret reality for us. To me, that's scary as hell.

Zimmerman did not say, "It's fucking cold." He did not say, "Fucking punks." Soon, no doubt, they'll be claiming that he said, "Fucking criminals," and proceeded to elaborate on the need for more law and order. And some people will believe them, because they're the teevee, and they have Experts with Machines.

He said, "Fucking coons."

Yes, yes, yes.

My husband's explaining how he would edit a wavefile to change "coons" to "cold". It's trickier than I thought (my own experience is with editing noise and static out of wavefiles) but it's possible, especially if there's a sample of Zimmerman saying "cold" to work from.

It's because of the high wavelength of the S and OO, they filtered that out with the noise. What was left was on the lower wavelengths makes the changes the vowel to cold/coats. The rustling/breathing/wind are low frequency.

[AlicetheKurious]

Oh, look! How the heck did that happen?

Poll shows big racial divide in opinion on Trayvon Martin case

By Liz Goodwin

National Affairs Reporter


A "Justice for Trayvon" march in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/The St. Paul Pioneer Press, John Autey)

Americans are sharply divided by race in their opinion of the shooting of an unarmed black teenager in Florida by a Hispanic neighborhood watchman.

A Gallup/USA Today poll finds that most black Americans (73 percent) think Trayvon Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman, would have been arrested if Martin had been white. Only 33 percent of non-Hispanic white people said the same thing.

The racial divide on Zimmerman's guilt was also big: 51 percent of black people said Zimmerman is "definitely guilty" based on the information available, compared to only 10 percent of whites. About 20 percent of both whites and blacks said Zimmerman was "probably guilty."

Zimmerman told police that he was following Martin because he looked "suspicious" when the unarmed 17-year-old then attacked him. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. He hasn't been charged. Martin's family says Zimmerman followed and then attacked and shot Martin in an act of vigilante policing.

An earlier Pew Research Center poll found that only 16 percent of black people said there had been too much media coverage of the shooting, compared to 43 percent of white people. The Gallup poll of more than 3,000 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points. Link

[General Patton]

2004
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... premacists

For Jeff Schoep, uniform-clad commander of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM), Sept. 25 was a big day — in more ways than he had anticipated.

On the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, Schoep's troops held a white-power rally at historic Valley Forge National Historical Park in Pennsylvania. More than 100 white supremacists, including members of the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations, came to cheer the commander's attack on Jews, whom he said were plotting "the destruction of all races through the evils of race-mixing."

When the public-address system went down 10 minutes into Schoep's invective, his supporters shot out their arms and shouted "Sieg Heil!" repeatedly until the problem was repaired.

Schoep's triumph was tarnished by an embarrassing exposé that appeared that same morning in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Based in Minnesota, the National Socialist Movement — which claims to be the nation's largest neo-Nazi organization, though it has only about 200 members — says members should be gainfully employed and positively contributing to society.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/jeff-schoep
Soon, after the uniformed NSM members had been transported by police bus out of the area, some members of the anti-NSM crowd attacked police officers and, before the day was out, more than 100 people had been arrested. From the point of view of NSM, whose event made major national news because of the violence, things could hardly have gone better. The group made a less dramatic return to Toledo later that year, and it also used similar tactics in later anti-black rallies it held in Orlando, Fla.

[8bitagent]

I had a feeling in the early 90's we'd be seeing the advent of militant white nationalist thugs used for something. It hasn't really happened yet, but I wonder. Remember Ohio, a dozen neo Nazis showed up, and before too long hundreds of young black men were rioting throughout the whole town. To me it shows just how strong frustration and tension can be, if a few knuckleheads can incite that sort of anger. Usually it's mostly white college kids protesting the hatemongers. This is why I do fear a "powder keg" moment, perhaps as simple as a 'not guilty' verdict in the Martin Zimmerman case or something far far more shocking and game changing.

I mean, look at the 500% gun sale surge AFTER Obama by mostly whites. Allthe Tea Party, fringe right wing activity . Most if not all of the terrorism and political violence in America since 9/11 has been by crazed white right wingers(holocaust museum shooting, flying the plane into the IRS building, shooting of 4 cops in pennsylvania, etc)

You look at the violent flash mobs that sometimes occur with youth in America or London or Paris...it's been an unusually quiet year for the most part, and it just feels like something is afoot

[JackRiddler]

The good news is, from the Pew poll, that about one-third of European-Americans appear not to be completely blind to the realities of racism. You really have to be on another planet to think that a black man who shot dead a white man would not have been arrested. Acquitted, it's remotely possible. But not arrested?

[8bitagent]

@Alice: When listening to that portion of the tape un-edited, you're 100% right...the cadence, tone and exact wording sounds like "fucking coons"...as in "man....these fucking coons"

For some reason when CNN did their audio editing, it sounded like 'cold'...but words can indeed change(and not be "enhanced") the more passes and EQing you do to a portion of a wav file.

Relistening to that portion, I realize it doesn't have the flow of "man, it's fucking cold out here tonight" but more of a very curt sort of "ugh...fucking coons".

I guess I just dont want to believe Zimmerman would have been dumb enough to utter something like that on a 911 tape. It's strange though...most of the public released evidence points toward Zimmerman not telling the truth. Visual, audio, etc forensics. Yet his lawyers claim all the details proving it was self defense hasn't been released it.

[General Patton]

The good news is, from the Pew poll, that about one-third of European-Americans appear not to be completely blind to the realities of racism. You really have to be on another planet to think that a black man who shot dead a white man would not have been arrested. Acquitted, it's remotely possible. But not arrested?

Questioned for 5 hours without a lawyer and let go, yes. Also, he's a Hispanic Jew which is now apparently white. The divide is becoming Black v. Everyone Else.

Whites were more in favor of Trayvon before the 911 call spin was revealed.

[JackRiddler]

The good news is, from the Pew poll, that about one-third of European-Americans appear not to be completely blind to the realities of racism. You really have to be on another planet to think that a black man who shot dead a white man would not have been arrested. Acquitted, it's remotely possible. But not arrested?

Questioned for 5 hours without a lawyer and let go, yes. Also, he's a Hispanic Jew which is now apparently white. The divide is becoming Black v. Everyone Else.

There are many divides, but that particular divide has always been present in this society, meaning that "everyone else" have always been stirred up to see "black" as the irredeemable other and bottom of the racial heap regardless of how many categories are included in one's understanding of that hierarchy. Nothing is an absolute, but the templates will be applied: situationally, Zimmerman was the white man claiming self-defense against the black man (both Jewish and Hispanic can be white, by the way, just ask any white Jewish Latin American), and also a participant in the law-and-order institution of the Neighborhood Watch, which in this case means a group purporting to police a (predominantly white) condo community against (predominantly black) outsiders.

[Nordic]

There's no way I believe that poll. 51% of blacks think he's definitely guilty, and only 10% of whites?

No. There's just no fucking way those numbers are right. I don't know a single person of any race who thinks he's not guilty.

And you can bet the number of blacks who think he's guilty is gotta be up close to 90 or 100%.

WTF kind of social engineering is this bullshit?

Telling us what we believe! That's what the "news" does! That's WHY there aren't bankers hanging from lampposts in this country! We're told that most people don't really care.

[AlicetheKurious]

It's because of the high wavelength of the S and OO, they filtered that out with the noise. What was left was on the lower wavelengths makes the changes the vowel to cold/coats. The rustling/breathing/wind are low frequency.

In other words, the teevee expert's precious machine filtered out some of the sounds that Zimmerman made, thus distorting what Zimmerman said. I bet that white Americans are more likely to believe what the media 'experts' tell them, than black Americans. Thus, it's not too difficult to create a perceptual gap between the two groups, especially on such an emotionally charged issue.

There seems to be a deliberate effort to ramp up racial tensions in the US. Why? Why now?

I guess we'll find out, soon enough.

[Nordic]

There seems to be a deliberate effort to ramp up racial tensions in the US. Why?

Why does a dog lick its balls? Because it can.

These people just enjoy this shit.

[Nordic]

Seriously, they do stuff like this so that the "news" media can talk about this, and NOT talk about the things that actually affect most people. You know, like world events, the fact that most people are desperate and watching their lives go steadily downhill, the fact that we have One Party Rule in this country, that Americans are actually living in a Terrorist Nation, you know, all that crap.

They can talk about this instead.

Get people riled up. Argue among themselves. Just your day-in, day-out Divide and Conquer stuff.

[General Patton]

Full version here:
http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_st ... -residents?

Residents say there is a rising tide of crime in their neighborhoods, and they are blaming the homeless population for much of it.

Homelessness has been a mainstay on the streets of Sanford for decades, but the tattered economy has worsened the problem. At the last City Commission meeting, about 50 citizens turned out to voice their protest against the increased number of criminal incidents occurring every day, victimizing people and property.

“I live in the historic district and I have never seen it so bad,” said Linda Surdin, who is a leader in her Neighborhood Watch group.

She said residents have been harassed and attacked by the homeless and citizens are afraid, in their homes and in the community.

Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed that crime is up as the economy continues to sputter. From April through June, more than 300 burglaries and 400 thefts have been reported in the city.“We’ve got a significant problem with burglaries and thefts,” Lee stated.
And no one is immune, he said, adding that he himself has been a victim of crime.

But the answer does not lie solely with law enforcement, Chief Lee explained. Combating crime requires the assistance of everyone in the community.“The police officers can’t do it all by themselves. We need your eyes and ears to let us know when things are going on,” the chief said. “It truly is a partnership.”
…
“The public needs to call us if they see anything suspicious. When you see something that doesn’t look right, call us out there,” he said. Citizens must avoid making it easy for criminals, he added. One homeowner had a boat parked on his property near the alley, with little thought given to security. Eventually, thieves stole an expensive fish-finder device from the boat.

All of them have ways of connecting all of this to narratives.

See:
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

The NSM are professional race baiters, now that they are conducting armed patrols things are sure to get more retarded. They have a very good track record of stirring things up, but they have never had a unique opportunity like this.

"Dream Defenders" are organizing a march to Sanford.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Man, 8-bit really called it with that Twin Lakes thread, which at the time confused the shit out of me. I see it now, too.

Gonna start a thread in the Psyops forum and try to straighten out the trend lines and my own thoughts.

Definitely going to dig into the propaganda textbooks with an eye to the use of racism as flashpoint and wedge issue.

Too much to think about, but it needs thunkage. Picked up a book this morning called "The Racist Mind" which I digested in 2 hours, mostly disappointing but a lot of gems just the same.

[Marie Laveau]

I had a feeling in the early 90's we'd be seeing the advent of militant white nationalist thugs used for something. It hasn't really happened yet, but I wonder. Remember Ohio, a dozen neo Nazis showed up, and before too long hundreds of young black men were rioting throughout the whole town. To me it shows just how strong frustration and tension can be, if a few knuckleheads can incite that sort of anger. Usually it's mostly white college kids protesting the hatemongers. This is why I do fear a "powder keg" moment, perhaps as simple as a 'not guilty' verdict in the Martin Zimmerman case or something far far more shocking and game changing.

I mean, look at the 500% gun sale surge AFTER Obama by mostly whites. Allthe Tea Party, fringe right wing activity . Most if not all of the terrorism and political violence in America since 9/11 has been by crazed white right wingers(holocaust museum shooting, flying the plane into the IRS building, shooting of 4 cops in pennsylvania, etc)

You look at the violent flash mobs that sometimes occur with youth in America or London or Paris...it's been an unusually quiet year for the most part, and it just feels like something is afoot

From what I've read, it took very few hired thugs to take over Germany, and very few hired thugs to bring about the Russian "revolution."

I doubt it will be much different here. Most people will sit on the sidelines, wringing their hands, but not be willing to stand up and do anything. Hell, the time for doing anything was probably thirty years ago.