"Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

[82_28]

Just FYI, it all dawned on me while watching that movie "Man on A Wire". I forget my exact thoughts, but watching it gave me the feeling that nothing is as it seems. It seemed like a "preemptive" "documentary". The way they were able to come and go and set up their stunt along with non-existent easily transportable camera equipment to be saved for a later date and be seen some decades later in a film. Shit had to be unwieldy back then. We're not talking cellphone camera time. We're talking the 1970s. But it was able to get done and then all of a sudden a sweet seemingly lost bit of crazy footage and story emerges as a kind of "icing on the cake". Kinda like a real life "Blair Witch Trial". I had friends in the late 90s who were convinced that movie was true and real footage and turned me onto watching it. I watched it and was all like "you thought this shit was actually real?" But it shows you how easily, through the years different amounts and types of bullshit are believable given the amount of technological and psychological saturation given the era. Blair Witch was fucking huge. That shit would never hold up today. Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

Oh, on edit, I remember now.

If it was so easy for a stunt man to come and go along with camera crew and whatnot then it's easy and it becomes easier through time because time isn't recognized, just the structures. Humans are conditioned for a "now" not a then, because we come from progenitors where now was "now". It is impossible to fear the past, unless you do. If you fear the past it is because, I for one exemplify, that time itself does not exist. Only entropy and emotion and there are many stories to be told and many lessons to be learned. You've gotta go meta, unfortunately, with shit like this. And by "meta", I mean you have to understand the spectrum of time when it comes to "empire". There's only one reason for this and this is is that time is not rattled off as we commoners look at it -- clocking in/clocking out. Something that happened 50 years ago once again happens today in order for the narrative to mold our psyches.

[NeonLX]

Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

OK, I'm old, so please forgive my seemingly stupid question here: Don't people still believe what's placed before them in new ways? Because the people doing the placing are always fine tuning the ways they present the sh!t (that, and people's horrendously short attention spans)?

[82_28]

Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

OK, I'm old, so please forgive my seemingly stupid question here: Don't people still believe what's placed before them in new ways? Because the people doing the placing are always fine tuning the ways they present the sh!t (that, and people's horrendously short attention spans)?

Sure they do. But I would posit that as per my Blair Witch example is that people wouldn't fall for that shit. It's like swimming from the deep end of the pool, getting to the shallow end and then walking upon dry land, going home and ordering pizza. I certainly do not know anything. It's just my feelings on the matter. However, what I am getting at here, is that a whole new frame of reference, at least for me, came to the fore in this era. And it was bullshit back then too. Sure, things are always in flux. But you could never pull this shit that sends people in aghast fear this way again no more than people would believe a new Blair Witch. I think that's kind of a synopsis of my point.

[FourthBase]

Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

OK, I'm old, so please forgive my seemingly stupid question here: Don't people still believe what's placed before them in new ways? Because the people doing the placing are always fine tuning the ways they present the sh!t (that, and people's horrendously short attention spans)?

Sure they do. But I would posit that as per my Blair Witch example is that people wouldn't fall for that shit. It's like swimming from the deep end of the pool, getting to the shallow end and then walking upon dry land, going home and ordering pizza. I certainly do not know anything. It's just my feelings on the matter. However, what I am getting at here, is that a whole new frame of reference, at least for me, came to the fore in this era. And it was bullshit back then too. Sure, things are always in flux. But you could never pull this shit that sends people in aghast fear this way again no more than people would believe a new Blair Witch. I think that's kind of a synopsis of my point.

And why not? Because people would...what? Try to pull something over like that on people who are no longer credulous enough and...what might happen? People might catch you, people might come after you with subpeona power and pitchforks both figurative and literal, or whatever it is they don't want us to ever think of using against them? Isn't it heart-warming, soul-stirring, agency-empowering good news to know that they don't feel free to pull shit whenever they want, that they feel pressure to hide their tracks carefully, because there might be consequences...to them...from us? Lo and behold: They feel dread, too! They dread being caught. So, let us catch the fuckers. There has to be a way. If there were no way to catch them, there would never be any cover-ups, any assassinations, any conspiracies.

[NeonLX]

Ah. Thanks for the 'splanation. I seriously am kinda thick. And I can't blame age for that; it's just who I've always been.

If I'm reading your correctly...are you saying that "they" couldn't pull off another 9/11-like charade?

I hope you can see that I'm trying to understand what you're saying, not taking issue with anything you said. Thanks for putting up with my thicktatude.

[Hunter]

Some thoughts:

- I don't see how the level of veracity about his purported background would necessarily have any evidentiary relevance to the quality of his dot-connecting re: Arizona and Saudi Arabia, etc.

- The more I read of Marshall, the more it feels like having stared down a rabbit hole for ten years with nothing to see for sure but a few faint outlines of a rabbit and spots of detail here and there that seem to shift and vanish and reappear like a trickster spirit. And then one day someone points and says, "Hey, look, that looks like a rabbit" and suddenly you can see the distinct shape of a rabbit, and hey whaddya know it really is that fucking rabbit you've been fruitlessly trying to identify all that time. That's what it feels like, anyway, at the moment. Subject to change, if necessary.

- If it was a hit and if the hit directly relates to his 9/11 research, then there could be a silver lining lesson to be found amidst the horror: That the perpetrator-elite are not so invulnerable that the mere reasoning and detective work of a guy like Marshall can't hurt them. It would mean they concluded that he had to be extinguished, lest...what? Well, lest something that -- forgive the emotional incongruity -- is probably something to rejoice over. Lest that information spread, and...and lead to...what? These seemingly omnipotent operators with seemingly limitless impunity are...capable of losing? If not, if they have not made that same determination themselves, then why would they ever feel the need to assassinate anyone?

- As alluded to above, there is a significant downside for the perps to any remotely-transparent hit, especially to such a gruesome spectacle as Marshall's might be. What it can do is draw an inordinate amount of attention in the precise direction of whatever secrets were being suppressed in the first place. In that way, every such hit becomes a neon billboard with a flashing arrow and the words "Look here! This is a tree you will definitely want to bark up!", even though the entire point of the hit may have been to erect the adjacent sign that says in creepy lettering, "Don't look here! We will murder your family if you do!" If anyone is familiar with Taleb's concept of antifragility, though the individual truthseeker is fragile to termination, there is always a benefit to be salvaged by the community of truthseekers, and a drawback to be feared by the perps. So far, the perp-elite have been able to cut off single heads from the conspiracy-theory Hydra and never wind up suffering their worst case scenario of many-headed regeneration from those same necks. That need not be the case. If there is the will for it, then Marshall's death could well be the neck that gives birth to a thousand heads -- one of the perp-complex's worst nightmares, or so we can surmise from the many hit jobs of seemingly obscure schmucks they feel compelled to carry out in fear for their own self-preservation. Look at the situation and at first it might make you want to shit your pants with impotent dread; but take a few steps to one side and bend your head a little, and from that new perspective one might see that...we have them right where we want them, lol. Really, though, it could be so.

- The sociopaths in charge, I imagine, have no qualms about presenting inhuman choices to people they want to make disappear. So, if some maverick amateur researcher is found dead in a bathtub with severed arteries or hanging from a noose in the garage, it could be at the same time both a suicide and a hit job. Because, think about it for a second, what would the average person do if a couple of evil powerbrokers made it very clear that he could either a) kill himself or b) see his loved ones die at irregular intervals over the next several years in horrific, painful, untraceable ways...?

- It's time that people stop dying and taking crucial information, the stuff their eventual murders are designed to keep secret, to the grave with them. It makes no sense to ever be "about to" unveil, release, expose, share, or leak any information that is valuable enough to feel the need to tread carefully with it, because if it's that valuable and there is a window in which the murderer-elites have time to intercept you, you will be intercepted. If you know something that big, tell as many fucking people as humanly possible in as many forms as possible as quickly as possible in as many places as possible. Am I right?

Good stuff and great points FB. As I pointed out this will indeed draw more attention to him and his work than when he was alive, so a hit like this is not really successful in hiding the information, I just bought his books and would not have if this didnt happen, didnt even know about him, but that is partly because I gave up on 9-11 research, having grown tired of that truther crowd and all their shenanigans, which, I admit, was probably the purpose of it to begin with, to turn people like me away from it.

Also I agree, if you have what you believe to be groundbreaking, history changing information it should not withheld and marketed in such a way to get people to buy your stuff with "coming soon," soon to be released etc. That info should be released immediately and for free in the dangerous environment we live in today. And if one cant bring themselves to do that, because of a need to make a living or something, they should at the very least have this information placed in someones care or in a safe deposit box with legal instructions that it be opened and released upon said persons death. We may never know what PM was working on at the time he was killed (or killed himself) what we do know is that his publicist has stated on reddit that they recently made contact with the 9-11 commission and certain foreign national leaders with some new very important and damaging information that he found and which he believed would blow the lid off the events of that day. It makes sense that someone within that commission may have contacted someone else and the cat got out of the bag and the need to silence him became immediate resulting in what we have now, a dead father and two children. He must have really had something special and it is worth noting that the publicist said on reddit the other day that PM was going to provide this information free to the world and he wouldnt profit on it and the publicist has indicated that he or she is going to continue along those lines and will soon release that information so it is well worth all of our time to keep up with that reddit thread and that poster who claims to be his publicist and see what he or she releases in the coming days weeks or months.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... /?sort=top

Posters name is :

octagon420

[8bitagent]

Just FYI, it all dawned on me while watching that movie "Man on A Wire". I forget my exact thoughts, but watching it gave me the feeling that nothing is as it seems. It seemed like a "preemptive" "documentary". The way they were able to come and go and set up their stunt along with non-existent easily transportable camera equipment to be saved for a later date and be seen some decades later in a film. Shit had to be unwieldy back then. We're not talking cellphone camera time. We're talking the 1970s. But it was able to get done and then all of a sudden a sweet seemingly lost bit of crazy footage and story emerges as a kind of "icing on the cake". Kinda like a real life "Blair Witch Trial". I had friends in the late 90s who were convinced that movie was true and real footage and turned me onto watching it. I watched it and was all like "you thought this shit was actually real?" But it shows you how easily, through the years different amounts and types of bullshit are believable given the amount of technological and psychological saturation given the era. Blair Witch was fucking huge. That shit would never hold up today. Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

Oh, on edit, I remember now.

If it was so easy for a stunt man to come and go along with camera crew and whatnot then it's easy and it becomes easier through time because time isn't recognized, just the structures. Humans are conditioned for a "now" not a then, because we come from progenitors where now was "now". It is impossible to fear the past, unless you do. If you fear the past it is because, I for one exemplify, that time itself does not exist. Only entropy and emotion and there are many stories to be told and many lessons to be learned. You've gotta go meta, unfortunately, with shit like this. And by "meta", I mean you have to understand the spectrum of time when it comes to "empire". There's only one reason for this and this is is that time is not rattled off as we commoners look at it -- clocking in/clocking out. Something that happened 50 years ago once again happens today in order for the narrative to mold our psyches.

Pulling out of my bag of "greatest hits", two things Ive remarked before but relate to this

1) There was the "B Thing" college student performance art collaborative, who snuck into the WTC on a higher floor for a month. They busted open a window and created some sort of avant garde performance thing with the window without ever being detected. Ok, no big deal...this was pre 9/11 times. Yeah well turns out one of the team was living with the Israeli spies down the street from the hijackers in Hollywood Florida circa 2001, the other one
next door to "Infocom" in Dallas, a Hezbollah financial front being investigated by Israel.


http://truthalliance.net/Archive/tabid/ ... fault.aspx

2) Watching Man on Wire, I got the feeling there is something spiritual about the towers. While they were not next to eachother like most people assume, they almost feel like they have this imposing vibration.
Moreover, there is a strong sense of WILL. Lepetit had an uncanny almost spiritual form of will when walking on that barely 1" cable back and forth from North to South tower for 45 minutes, then almost immediately having a flurry of
intercourse with his girlfriend in a nearby hotel. People who believe in magick of some sort would be taken aback. A part of me believes the planes were partially remoted...however another part of me thinks people like Mohammed Atta had this programmed sort of will. A direct connection to sheer belief that is almost unstoppable.

[Hunter]

Thanks for Alchemy's post, I searched for Davis Monthon AFB via the satellite view on Google maps.

I may spend the better part of the day poking around:

http://goo.gl/maps/mN8xH

Glad you found it, it is known as the aircraft graveyard and for good reason, thousands and thousands of them parked out in the middle of nowhere as far as the eye can see, it is sort of spooky to see it up close and personal and consider the stories all those planes can tell.

Enjoy. Any questions feel free to ask, I know everything about that place, not far from my house. I drive past that boneyard everyday.

I could not even begin to guess the number of planes retired there, it is an unreal number though, miles and miles and miles of old ww2 planes.

[FourthBase]

Thanks for Alchemy's post, I searched for Davis Monthon AFB via the satellite view on Google maps.

I may spend the better part of the day poking around:

http://goo.gl/maps/mN8xH

Glad you found it, it is known as the aircraft graveyard and for good reason, thousands and thousands of them parked out in the middle of nowhere as far as the eye can see, it is sort of spooky to see it up close and personal and consider the stories all those planes can tell.

Enjoy. Any questions feel free to ask, I know everything about that place, not far from my house. I drive past that boneyard everyday.

I could not even begin to guess the number of planes retired there, it is an unreal number though, miles and miles and miles of old ww2 planes.

You know what all this reminds me of? Maybe kind of random, but, in the game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, in the desert area based on a composite of the Southwest, there is a relatively-huge plane boneyard "Verdant Meadows" right next to the top-secret military installation "Area 69". That is how I have been visualizing your description, lol.

[Hunter]

Thanks for Alchemy's post, I searched for Davis Monthon AFB via the satellite view on Google maps.

I may spend the better part of the day poking around:

http://goo.gl/maps/mN8xH

Glad you found it, it is known as the aircraft graveyard and for good reason, thousands and thousands of them parked out in the middle of nowhere as far as the eye can see, it is sort of spooky to see it up close and personal and consider the stories all those planes can tell.

Enjoy. Any questions feel free to ask, I know everything about that place, not far from my house. I drive past that boneyard everyday.

I could not even begin to guess the number of planes retired there, it is an unreal number though, miles and miles and miles of old ww2 planes.

You know what all this reminds me of? Maybe kind of random, but, in the game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, in the desert area based on a composite of the Southwest, there is a relatively-huge plane boneyard "Verdant Meadows" right next to the top-secret military installation "Area 69". That is how I have been visualizing your description, lol.

Yeap I know exactly what you are talking about, not a bad way to see it with Pinal Airpark nearby now in play as a likely CIA training facility wrt 9-11 et al.

[Nordic]

The two buildings together were kind of like an enormous tuning fork.

I felt a similar sort of vibe about Man on a Wire, but how much of that came from knowing the fate of the towers resulting in some sort of nostalgic wistfulness, and seeing synchronicities that only exist because of what happened ex post facto, I'll never know.

[82_28]

Remember, 9/11 is coming from that era of when people readily believed what was placed before them in new ways. Badda Bing.

OK, I'm old, so please forgive my seemingly stupid question here: Don't people still believe what's placed before them in new ways? Because the people doing the placing are always fine tuning the ways they present the sh!t (that, and people's horrendously short attention spans)?

Sure they do. But I would posit that as per my Blair Witch example is that people wouldn't fall for that shit. It's like swimming from the deep end of the pool, getting to the shallow end and then walking upon dry land, going home and ordering pizza. I certainly do not know anything. It's just my feelings on the matter. However, what I am getting at here, is that a whole new frame of reference, at least for me, came to the fore in this era. And it was bullshit back then too. Sure, things are always in flux. But you could never pull this shit that sends people in aghast fear this way again no more than people would believe a new Blair Witch. I think that's kind of a synopsis of my point.

And why not? Because people would...what? Try to pull something over like that on people who are no longer credulous enough and...what might happen? People might catch you, people might come after you with subpoena power and pitchforks both figurative and literal, or whatever it is they don't want us to ever think of using against them? Isn't it heart-warming, soul-stirring, agency-empowering good news to know that they don't feel free to pull shit whenever they want, that they feel pressure to hide their tracks carefully, because there might be consequences...to them...from us? Lo and behold: They feel dread, too! They dread being caught. So, let us catch the fuckers. There has to be a way. If there were no way to catch them, there would never be any cover-ups, any assassinations, any conspiracies.

The credulousness is the point! It is meant to excite emotions and thus, propaganda. They know humans are malleable. And I am, though not scared, one of their enemies. I am on Earth, no ego implied, to set shit straight for other generations. The only reason is, is because I can and wish no ill on any human for any reason given by another to me. I hate when I have to hate. When it is hate is it because I have an emotional problem with the motherfucker. And still don't hate whatsoever. Yeah, sounds like ego. But it's not. Just don't fuck around with me and other people. Treat all with fucking respect. Because there's no respect kinda, there's nothing but violence, sadness, ego and confusion.

Hey let's package that up and sell it!

[divideandconquer]

I still have the craziest conspiracy theory of all and that is that the buildings themselves were actually built to do what they did on September 11th, 2001 and it was easily planned over 40 years before the collapses with its very architecture and who was going to be running the show as far as management. Yes, I believe it was planned almost a half century out to happen on this certain date we still speak of.

But that's just me. Swear I'm not a total kook.

I don't know that they were built to do what they did on 9/11, maybe they were, but I fully believe this was the plan at the time they were created, perhaps even much earlier.

The buildings did not meet fire safety codes until the fire in the early 1970s occurred. And even then, that fire burned for hours and the tower didn't come close to collapsing. This might support your theory because without the fire in the 70s, the towers would've been less fire-safe.

[NeonLX]

Yeah, 82_28 nailed it again. I hate it when I'm forced to hate too.

I remember back during the draft for Vietnam, when I was worried about getting yanked out of my regularly scheduled program of life and forced to go somewhere I could barely find on a globe, hating the fvckers who were making the war, but not some kid on "the other side" of the conflict who probably didn't want to be shooting at someone he didn't know, either.

Yeah, I hate the war-causers, the inflicters of pain & suffering, the pillagers...but I resent being made to hate them. I don't want to hate, but like 82_28 said, they are fvcking with everyone else so I'm being forced to hate them.

My system ain't designed for it.

[NeonLX]

I gotta stop posting because it always kills the thread. Deader than dirt on the moon.