Ken O' Keefe.

[seemslikeadream]

Is there a valid reason for the rules to be posted in this thread over and over again?

The implication is that SOMEONE is breaking the rules....but he is too much of a coward or whatever to name names

[Wombaticus Rex]

Is there a valid reason for the rules to be posted in this thread over and over again?

Not really, and it's quite obnoxious. Then again, so is giant red scrolling text!

The point AD is making is that your sources violate the spirit of the anti-fascist, anti-racist rules, and the point you're making is that you disagree vehemently. That won't change at any point during the next 50 pages.

[seemslikeadream]

I want to know what sources he is talking about...and yeah I can post obnoxious shit commenting on obnoxious shit...I fucking tired of being schooled on the rules here

[Wombaticus Rex]

...and yeah I can post obnoxious shit commenting on obnoxious shit...

The "he made me do it" model of human behavior, yes, I am familiar. It would be awesome if you didn't perpetuate problems and rachet up the antagonism, though. Please recognize your own active contribution to this.

It would also be super-awesome if AD refrained from posting the forum rules again. It is obnoxious.

[seemslikeadream]

whatever....have I broken any rule in this thread other than the OTT gif posting?

just for the record...I don't want AD sly accusations to stand if there is no basis in fact..his cowardly insinuations are annoying

[Searcher08]

This is an almost isomorphic argument to what went on at mondoweiss.

What Weiss did in that case was to assert control and and declare he would ban any post he felt like, which appeared to be really counter-productive.
The factions were similar, ditto the arguments.

This argument has been going on at RI since before AD or I were even members - in the first ever Icke titled thread - which was posted by Sweejak. Except in that case seventhson posted a very clear point of view and others got it - and most didnt agree. It finished without rancour.

I think it intensely personal for both SLAD, in how she experiences being treated (I have felt very similar many times in this context FWIW)
AND
for AD in terms of their content - FFS I have Jewish family and had a romance with a Zionist woman for months when I was off board, so it isnt alien to me.

SLAD:

It is very clear that neither you nor AD are going to "fuckin get over" anything. This argument has been going for many months now and has gotten rather precisely nowhere. You resent being lectured about the associations and implications of your sources, AD resents the material you (and slim) contribute to the board.

I do agree that it's getting really old, though!

The most frustrating aspect of this is the asymmetry in communication style, because you get (very) angry and take this personally, and AD is methodically focused on the issue at hand. He is also quite adept at triggering your rage circuitry with a single sentence. For instance, it is interesting that you would assume AD "reported" you and I was responding to his concerns when I asked you to refrain from .gifgasms, and a few pages later you're reporting him. I would much rather not spend time in this thread at all, because we all know what this is: just the latest vessel for this neverending interpersonal dispute.

I would hugely appreciate it if this stopped -- and I know it won't. Quite a quandary for a moderator!

[seemslikeadream]

oh and pardon me for inferring AD ratted me out on the gif thing....where the fuck would I get a notion like that?...maybe from the numerous times he's POSTED THE RULES IN THIS THREAD? Like that's not a clue?

do I ever go into his 95 page mega thread and fuck with him? NO in two years I have ignored that thread...do you know the restraint that takes ...he could return the favor and quit being the instigator in other's threads

from now on if he stays away from me I will definitely stay away from him...I want nothing more to do with him

[American Dream]

OK, been thinking about this thread some, gathering my thoughts a bit. The vast majority of the time I don't even read what slad, slim and Searcher are posting, to be quite honest. Periodically, differences do flare up though. Of course profound differences in how we see the world are always there but that, per se, matters very little to me.

The most recent time slim came to my attention, he was fundraising here for David Icke. Is that really necessary or helpful?

Then more recently he posted on Ken O'Keefe, which I paid little attention to till Drew and others flagged him as a sketchy character. Till then he just seemed like another Palestinian solidarity activist. Do we really have to learn about every such sketch who comes down the pike by seeming them uncritically promoted here?

Then, after I said something about Mr. O'Keefe, slad came in with endless reams of nonsense and extraneous postings, as she does again and again, simply trying to jam any criticism of these sorts of characters. When that doesn't work she (predictably) accuses me of being a zionist and of only caring about one holocaust. Both of these claims are total bullshit and she sure oughta know that by now- there are years of water under the bridge, after all. So is any of this behavior really necessary?

Also do we really need the endless holocaust spin, carefully positioned to stay inside "the rules"? It is abundantly clear that Genocide, Colonialism and State Power go hand in hand in the history of the world, in many, many times and places. This doesn't mean that Hitler was secretly run by the Rothschilds however. The mass murder of Jews was hardly the only crime of the Nazis- we know this I think and that narrative is indeed used to prop up the State of Israel- I think we also know this.

Do we really need the style of invective of "Israel Shamir", Gilad Atzmon and others of that ilk, carefully crafted to provoke but stay just inside the envelope of plausible deniability?

Searcher has often served to prop up these other two in their bad behavior, in my view. That said, he is much less inclined to indulge in these sorts of excesses, just to cheer them on. my biggest beef with him would be the intellectually dishonest reframe he sometimes indulges in, which seems quite unfair at times. I'm sure he knows this and yet he continues to do it anyway.

So those are a few of my beefs. I don't expect to see them disappear any time soon but I do wonder: Is it really necessary to edge up against the very limits of the posting guidelines? Isn't it possible to respect the spirit of those guidelines more and tread just a little more lightly around here?

That's the best solution I can find...

[slimmouse]

The most recent time slim came to my attention, he was fundraising here for David Icke. Is that really necessary or helpful?

Fundraising for Icke

I guess by posting Mr Bilderbergs video, you were funking for him, or since he has a donate button, fundraising for him?

[seemslikeadream]

The most recent time slim came to my attention, he was fundraising here for David Icke. Is that really necessary or helpful?

Fundraising for Icke

I guess by posting Mr Bilderbergs video, you were funking for him, or since he has a donate button, fundraising for him?

gotta love that

Is it really necessary to edge up against the very limits of the posting guidelines? Isn't it possible to respect the spirit of those guidelines more and tread just a little more lightly around here?

I guess stretching the truth is not part of that respecting the spirit thingy

[American Dream]

Fundraising for Icke

So you celebrate doing that?

[Sounder]

slimmouse » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:23 am wrote:

Fundraising for Icke

AD wrote...
So you celebrate doing that?

slims second sentence, that you leave aside, completes the idea by turning your accusation back on you by showing equivalence to your actions.( It's not 'fundraising' in either case.)

AD, you butcher context so you can make your point, but that only works with folks with similar pretenses to your own.

To others it sounds like deceitful use of words, in short; lies.

[seemslikeadream]

............

[coffin_dodger]

Can anyone point me in the direction of someone that is critical of Israel, but who are not considered to be anti-semetic?
I think it would be helpful for me to hear what they have to say and how they say it.

[American Dream]

Can anyone point me in the direction of someone that is critical of Israel, but who are not considered to be anti-semetic?
I think it would be helpful for me to hear what they have to say and how they say it.

See for example:

http://uspcn.org/2012/03/13/granting-no ... ad-atzmon/

http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/p/atz ... ue_09.html