June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

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What Does America Look Like to You?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:32 pm

Return to topic -- 2nd try, please don't derail

Why not take real life seriously, listen to people, imagine different worlds, pro or con?

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Q. What does an America with a defunded police look like to you?'

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez wrote:The good news is that it actually doesn't take a ton of imagination. It looks like a suburb.

Affluent white communities already live in a world where they choose to fund youth, health, housing, etc. more than they fund police. These communities have lower crime rates not because they have more police, but because they have more resources to support healthy society in a way that reduces crime.

When a teenager or preteen does something harmful in a suburb (I say teen because this is often where lifelong carceral cycles begin for Black and Brown communities), White communities bend over backwards to find alternatives to incarceration for their loved ones to "protect their future," like community service or rehab or restorative measures. Why don't we treat Black and Brown people the same way? Why doesn't the criminal system care about Black teens' futures? Why doesn't the news use Black people's graduation or family photos in stories the way they do when they cover White people (eg. Brock Turner) who commit harmful crimes? Affluent White suburbs also design their own lives so that they walk through the world without having much interruption or interaction with police at all, aside from community events and speeding tickets (and many of these communities try to reduce those, too!)

Just starting THERE would be a dramatically and radically different world than what we are experiencing now.


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Proposed: a discussion that dispenses with attack phrases, poisoned imaginaries, media fear-porn, veiled ideology, copaganda, enemy images, and other junk...

also charming tales much as we love them - turns out this one happened in LA yesterday - about cops being actual human beings and helping to save a baby choking on a coin, which is a beautiful thing that my mother also once did and any human would do or try to do but really doesn't speak to the issues here, i mean seriously, thank you cop for being a human for a minute, we are all so grateful!
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...Listening to this right now...

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:34 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i12zRBXObI

Haymarket Books wrote:Join us for a conversation on art, politics and revolution with Boots Riley and Noname.

The global uprising against racism and police violence has brought millions of people around the world into the streets to make Black Lives Matter, and has catapulted radical demands for police and prison abolition into the center of public consciousness.

It’s also brought new urgency to discussions of reform and revolution, challenging the power of capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism in the 21st century, and the role of artists can as participants in political struggles.

Join us for a wide-ranging conversation on art, politics, and revolution with Noname and Boots Riley, hosted by Khury Petersen-Smith.

Noname is a rapper from Chicago. She’s the founder of Noname’s Book Club.

Boots Riley is a rapper and filmmaker from Oakland.


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And wasn't this lovely! Thank you!

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:40 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:34 pm wrote:I keep hearing complaints from a large swath of people about the framing of "DEFUND THE POLICE," and I actually agree that the slogan is not optimally framed. But on the other hand, the exact same framing arguments were made about "LEGALIZE IT" and "GAY MARRIAGE NOW" and even "BLACK LIVES MATTER."

So maybe we should not be so quick to roundly dismiss a clearly good idea because some activists did not frame it perfectly in our "how this will play with other whites" estimation? I mean, would you have expected even 3 years ago that giant US corporations to be adding "Black Lives Matter" to their taglines over the last three weeks?

While I agree 100% that the framing is not optimal, when you consider what Camden did and what the Minneapolis City Council is planning to do, isn't all the knee-jerk carping about the "Defund the Police" motto sort of like telling the French Revolutionaries that that their calls for "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" would be more popular if they called it a "resolution" rather than a "revolution"?

And in some ways "Defund the Police" is the best possible frame because it puts the cards on the table. What is makes it so startling is that we live in police state in which cops are constantly lionized for "doing a tough and thankless job." But after I thought past my initial emotional response ("this sounds so radical that it ensures self-defeat"), I began to see the appeal of the slogan. Society funds police departments ostensibly to protect, serve, and enforce certain laws. Everything else in our cities has been defunded already. But like military funding in the USA, increased funding for police is never questioned by either party whether crime rates and/or police brutality rates go up or down. Why not?

And as every other service our cities provide is cut to the bone, the police are called upon to deal with every perceived social ill. Kids tagging buildings? Call the cops. Homeless people or unlicensed vendors outside your shop? Call the cops. Schizophrenic person exhibiting severe positive symptoms? Call the cops. Junkie passed out cold on the sidewalk? Call the cops. Fender bender? Call the cops. Neighbors making noise? Call the cops. Someone drinking a beer or smoking a joint outside? Call the cops. Wild animal lose on the streets? Call the cops. City sewer backing up? Call the cops. Power line down? Call the cops. Teens sitting in a parked car across the street? Call the cops. Unattended children? Call the cops. Nail salon seeing a client open during a pandemic? Call the cops. Somebody not social distancing? Call the cops. Black man asks you to put your dog on a leash? Call the cops. Black or brown person not in uniform in your neighborhood? Call the cops.

Why do we dispatch armed, trigger-happy people with full licenses to kill anybody who disagrees with them or does not follow every single order they issue to handle every one of these issues?

Medicare for All is awesome framing, but Americans in favor of it aren't going to get it until we too get our asses out in the streets demanding it.
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Strange...

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:48 pm

Fear Grows of Modern-Day Lynchings as Five People of Color Are Found Hanged

HEADLINEJUN 18, 2020
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/18/ ... und_hanged

Authorities are now probing the recent hangings of six people of color in four states. Officials have ruled every case to be a suicide, but many fear some of the deaths might be modern-day lynchings. On Wednesday, police found a 17-year-old African American boy hanging from a tree in an elementary school playground in Spring, Texas. On Monday, a Latino man was found hanged in Houston. Hangings have also been reported in New York City; and in the California cities of Victorville and Palmdale. Meanwhile, a hate crime probe has begun in Oakland, California, after five nooses were found hanging from trees in the city.


...could be unrelated, yes...

Half brother of Palmdale hanging victim Robert Fuller is fatally shot by deputies amid kidnapping probe

By MATTHEW ORMSETH, RICHARD WINTON, MATT HAMILTON, MAYA LAU, ALENE TCHEKMEDYIAN
JUNE 17, 20207:45 PM UPDATEDJUNE 18, 2020 | 10:31 AM

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ROSAMOND, Calif. — The half brother of Robert Fuller, a young Black man who was found hanging from a tree in Palmdale last week, was shot dead by Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies during a shootout Wednesday afternoon in Kern County, according to law enforcement sources and an attorney for the family.
The shooting occurred about 4:30 p.m. in a parking lot in Rosamond, a community about 20 miles north of Palmdale. The killing came as activists and community members had been openly critical of how Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies handled the investigation into Fuller’s death.

Lt. Robert Westphal of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said the fatal shooting occurred during a kidnapping and assault investigation being handled by the department’s major-crimes bureau.

Jamon Hicks, an attorney for the Fuller family, confirmed that the man killed by deputies was Terron Boone.

Court records show that Boone was charged Tuesday with multiple criminal counts including criminal threats, assault, false imprisonment and domestic violence.

On Wednesday afternoon, Westphal said detectives trailed a car that the suspect was riding in and followed it back to an apartment complex in Rosamond. The deputies attempted a traffic stop.

The suspect, later identified as Boone, exited the car’s passenger side and opened fire, according to Westphal, who said the suspect fired at least five shots toward the detectives. Deputies returned fire and shot him in the chest, killing him, according to Westphal.

PALMDALE, CA - JUNE 13: Diamond Alexander, center, sister of Robert Fuller, pleads for justice for her brother as hundreds of gathered in Palmdale on Saturday to mourn the death of Fuller on Saturday, June 13, 2020 in Palmdale, CA. (Brian van der Brug / Los Angeles Times)

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Robert Fuller’s family mourns a ‘survivor,’ demands truth over his hanging death


June 14, 2020

Westphal said deputies were investigating a report from Monday that Boone assaulted, pistol-whipped, kidnapped and threatened a former girlfriend at her residence. They had an on-and-off relationship for years, he said.

The woman driving the car was shot once in the chest and taken to a local hospital, where she was treated and released Wednesday night. A 7-year-old girl was in the car’s back seat but was not injured in the gunfire, Westphal said. The woman in the car was also someone he had a prior dating relationship with and her child, Westphal added.


A bullet went through the kitchen window of Joyce Chaney, who has a ground floor apartment in a complex where Terron Boone was fatally shot by deputies Wednesday afternoon in Rosamond.(Irfan Khan/Los Angeles Times)

Detectives recovered a semiautomatic handgun at the scene.

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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby thrulookingglass » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:19 pm

The simple lesson here is that acts of violent retaliation will never settle our 'imagined' arguments. Never have, never will. I thought we all wanted/needed to be loved. Unreal. Hell on Earth.
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:26 pm

JR wrote:

Q. What does an America with a defunded police look like to you?'


I say we don't defund, we increase their pay and make their unions pay for their brutality through their pensions and personal responsibility , not the tax payers.

And if they want to play military men, treat them as such.
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This is REALLY interesting

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:52 pm

One of my monthly subscriptions in the new media world is to Yasha Levine's substack, Immigrants as a Weapon. I think this podcast, "Episode #2: Russians Against Politics" will be accessible to anyone who clicks. Entertaining talk.

In this episode, Evgenia Kovda takes over and we talk about something that might come as a surprise to a lot of people. It’s the rabid pro-police reaction of most Russians in Russia (and abroad) to the Black Lives Matter protests taking place in America.

While CNN and the New York Times run segments that blame “the Russians” for using the protests to destabilize America, in Russia the exact opposite is taking place: The Russian government — and most of Russian society — is firmly against the protests. Russian society stands with the police. It stands in solidarity with America’s political establishment.

There are two main parts to the episode.

In the first hour, we get into the details of how these protests are depicted in the Russian media. What we see is that there is no real difference between the Kremlin and the liberal opposition. They’re both united in their hatred and condemnation.

But we really get warmed up and going in the second hour, when we try to figure out why Russian society is so united against these protests. It’s a complicated question. But on a bigger more conceptual level, we think it has to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the total negation of the Russian Revolution that followed it.

—Yasha Levine

PS: Evgenia regularly cohosts Filmsuck, a podcast about film. She’ll be back for another Immigrants as a Weapon episode soon. So…subscribe!


Their insights track with my own more limited experience with Russian and Belarusian immigrants who fit this description (meaning certain relatively wealthy or wealth-seeking acquaintances). That includes the part where the US propaganda about #Russiagate may as well be on another planet. They are unaware it happened, barely noticed, never cared. Nothing shakes their positive Cold-War-consumerist view of US society, seen through a simple filter. America is the Louis Vuitton handbag and stylish place and happy lifestyle that you earned through your hard work and by deserving your personal market value, and anyone who isn't making it is a fuck-up.

One also finds a more FOX-style anti-BLM stance most of the time on RT, though there it comes with the paradox of alternating with a kind of leftist pro-protest extreme on several of the RT America shows (which are produced separately in Washington). RT features a truly cringey (as they say nowadays) promo spot pandering to imagined urban youth, shot around some kind of abandoned 80s warehouse exterior, set to bad rap and an "RT" graffiti tag. Cos RT bringing the truth, yo!

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Do protests work? How much longer? Where is it heading?

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:03 pm

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FWIW department. Treat the list below like data. It is a chronicle of four weeks of events. Every item in the original includes one or two links to coverage.

Perhaps it only shows you what a few people in the protest movement, or looking to act as spokespersons or perhaps mere cheerleaders thereof, consider important. We don't have to agree with the authors that everything on the list is a reason to celebrate, or whether the political achievements match the drama of the statue topplings.

Are these concessions all part of a master plan, a sequence of improvised responses, or mostly just a combination of pacification, optics, and false promises? It's up for discussion.

Is this heading toward bigger changes, a more just world for all? Defeats, reversals, false-flags, and a Nixon '72-style backlash? A petering-out, after a further sequence of improvised responses designed to gradually pacify and divide? Total cooptation by the Democratic Party? Cooptation by profit-making, alienating, new fourth-industrial enterprises? Or the pointless nihilistic socialist destruction of US society, as expected not only by a couple of Russian acquaintances?

Boots Riley appears to have been driven off Twitter for the moment (?!), but he had a comment I wanted to post here, asking whether the endgame of abolition might inadvertantly be that Amazon and Starbucks (and thousands of private residential enclaves) will maintain private forces to police their own semi-sovereign districts. (Has anyone here ever read Marge Piercy's novel, City of Glass, also titled He, She and It?)

Perhaps the most significant moves, imho, have been those to get police out of public schools. Municipal regular cop forces barely played a role as as school security before the 1990s, but it has become the norm and a foundational element in the "schools to prison" pipeline. On the other hand, nothing in this crazy time rules out that a Geo group or another private-prison contractor will step in with the offer of alternative child-friendly security forces for schools. Or maybe Bill Gates or some other humanitarian will suggest bodycams for first-graders... which is what theose proposed wristbands practically already are.

Rebellions Get Results: A List So Far

Four weeks of open rebellion in the streets have yielded swift, unprecedented results. This is the definitive, updated list of the movement’s victories so far.

Originally written on June 8th, we have expanded this article to include victories won in subsequent weeks. The current version was updated on June 23rd.

https://rampantmag.com/2020/06/08/rebel ... st-so-far/

Today marks four weeks since George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police and four weeks of revolt that spread into a nationwide, ongoing American uprising against policing and anti-Black racism. As flames engulfed buildings and cruisers were destroyed alongside police precincts, some liberals wrung their hands and bemoaned the rebellion, arguing that riots were counterproductive or less effective than “peaceful protest” or activity through official channels. Similarly, some on the left have had a tendency to undervalue the centrality of crisis and the swiftness of change brought about by rebellion. They argue that change takes place through gradualist means, that people naturally gravitate towards the path of least resistance, working through existing institutions and long-term campaigns, especially electoral ones, to make change.

The world around us shows a different picture. In just a few heady weeks of struggle, long-spineless politicians have suddenly found a political will, overcome bureaucratic barriers, and scrambled to do the bare minimum for Black lives.

Below, we offer this list of victories achieved in short order over the initial weeks of the rebellion. Some are large, some are small and symbolic, and none of them are ultimately sufficient. But all of them would have been almost unthinkable mere weeks ago, a time when officials seemed unshakeable and the rules of the game unquestionable. This list is necessarily incomplete, as the battle has just begun and will require more struggles to consolidate gains and open new horizons on the path to abolition. These wins have also come at a cost, with multiple martyrs to police and right-wing terror, and thousands of arrests amid ongoing police brutality, while Black folks suffer the harshest of police reaction. The movement remembers these blows even as it takes to the streets to dismantle the systematic racism behind them. As we enter week five of our generation’s greatest collective struggle, the list of our movement’s wins proves a fundamental lesson: riots get results.

Week One & Two

George Floyd’s killer was fired, arrested and charged with 3rd degree murder. Subsequently, the charge was upgraded and the other three cops involved as accomplices were also charged.
General consciousness around policing and racism has shifted dramatically, with 54 percent of Americans supporting the protests and the burning down of the police precinct. This makes the burning down of a police station more popular than both Trump and Biden.
A veto-proof majority in the Minneapolis city council pledged to take steps to disband the Minneapolis Police Department. This would not abolish the police in Minneapolis but is a tremendous opening for the struggle to reduce policing and institute alternatives.
The Minneapolis School Board ended their contract with the police, a victory for the wider “Cops out of schools” movement.
The University of Minnesota ended its contract with the police.
Minneapolis Parks and Recreation ended its contract with the police.
The State of Minnesota filed a civil rights lawsuit against the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD).
The mayor of Los Angeles announced that the city’s police budget would be cut by 100-150 million to reinvest it in programs to better conditions for Black residents.
Los Angeles put a moratorium on adding individuals to the police gang database.
The mayor of New York City announced he would shift an “unspecified” amount of money from the police budget to youth programs.
New York City ended the police enforcement of street vendor violations.
Louisville temporarily suspended the use of “no-knock” warrants, the kind of warrant that was used by police to kill Breonna Taylor, and took steps toward banning them entirely.
Portland, OR public schools decided to end the use of police in schools.
Transit unions in at least Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Washington DC, and Boston refused to transport protesters arrested by the police. In Minneapolis, Boston, and Pittsburgh they also refused to transport police.
Statues honoring the slave-owner’s reactionary cause, originally raised as a reaction to the Civil Rights movement, have been removed by local governments or direct action in Richmond, VA, Birmingham, Montgomery, Alexandria, VA, and Baltimore.
The statue of a slave trader in Bristol, England was tossed into the sea.
The mural of notoriously racist cop and mayor Frank Rizzo was removed in Philadelphia.
Cracks have developed in the U.S. military, with a growing resistance among soldiers to being deployed to suppress protests.
Los Angeles Pride announced that the Pride parade this year would be reinstated as a Black Lives Matter protest.
Indianapolis Pride announced it will not have police at Pride events. Cops out of Pride.
The cops in Atlanta who assaulted two individuals during protests were charged.
Cops in Buffalo who assaulted an elderly man at a protest were arrested.
The National Football League made a decision to allow kneeling protests by players.
Dallas Police attempts to spy on protesters via anonymous submitted videos were soundly thwarted by a solidarity swarm of online K-pop fans who overwhelmed the police app.
A Denver judge issued a restraining order limiting the use of tear gas and rubber bullets by police at protests.
Seattle’s central Labor Council (MLK Labor) threatened to expel the Seattle Police Officers Guild from the body.
Mayors in Los Angeles, New York City, and Chicago were all forced to lift curfews while protests continued.
Officials from both parties in Congress were forced to announce the initiation of a process to place limitations on the 1033 Program, which funnels military equipment to local police departments.
Fuji Bikes suspended the sale of bicycles to police departments.

Week Three

In San Francisco, unarmed professionals rather than militarized police will now be responding to non-criminal police calls.
Hours after the police murder of Rayshard Brooks, the Atlanta chief of police resigned and the killer cop was fired.
Denver public schools voted unanimously to remove police from Denver schools.
Boston is cutting $12 million from its police department and redistributing the money to community services.
Minneapolis city council voted unanimously to eliminate its police department and replace it with an as-yet undefined community alternative.
Protesters in Seattle took over a police precinct and held the area against police for several days so far, declaring the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”
Statues of the genocidal colonizer Christopher Columbus have been beheaded and removed in St. Paul and Boston, and defaced elsewhere.
The Scottish Parliament voted stop sale of tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot shields and to create a museum of their relationship with the slave trade.
Statues of the genocidal King Leopold II were toppled in Brussels and Antwerp.
The statue of racist confederate leader Jefferson Davis was removed from the Kentucky capitol.
New York repealed a law, known as Section 50-a, which kept police disciplinary records secret, opening them up to the public for the first time in decades.
The NFL, Nike, and other corporations made Juneteenth, which celebrates the end of slavery in the United States, a paid holiday.
Dockworkers of the ILWU announced they would shut down twenty nine ports across the West Coast on June 19th (Juneteenth) in solidarity with the protests over the murder of George Floyd and against systemic racism.
NASCAR banned the use of confederate flags at all events and properties.
After years of ignoring the righteous protests of Colin Kaepernick and others, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was forced to issue an apology and endorsement of protests against racism, while public opinion has swelled behind Kaepernick.
After removing the only Black members of the dance team at the University of Washington, the dance team coach was fired and the cut members were asked to return.
After public outcry, Trump was forced to back down and reschedule his racist rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma from Juneteenth.
After 30 years of spewing pro-police propaganda and perpetuating racist stereotypes, the TV show “COPS” has been cancelled.
Merriam Webster changed the dictionary definition of racism to include systemic racism.
After public outcry, the president and board chair of the overwhelmingly white Poetry foundation were forced to resign.
The Minneapolis Police Department is hemorrhaging cops, as demoralization spreads and police are quitting.

Week Four

The statue of Christopher Columbus at City Hall in Columbus, Ohio will be removed.
The city of Rochester, NY is cutting $3.6 million from the police budget, cutting the incoming police class by half, and removing all police from schools.
Colorado passed several police reforms, most notably allowing police to be held personally liable for civil rights violations (i.e. ending qualified immunity).
The King County Labor Council in Seattle voted to expel the Seattle Police Officers Guild, freeing the labor movement of 1,300 cops.
The NYPD announced it would disband its extremely racist plainclothes anti-crime units.
The West Contra Costa Unified School District in the Bay Area voted unanimously to end contracts with police, redirecting $1.5 million to support African-American student achievement.
Seattle City Council unanimously passed legislation banning Seattle police from using or purchasing teargas, blast balls, rubber bullets, and several other weapons.
The statue of Thomas Jefferson, who enslaved and brutalized human beings, was torn down at Jefferson high school in Portland Oregon.
Juneteenth was declared an official public holiday in Philadelphia, and an official paid state holiday in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia,
The statue of Cecil Rhodes, the infamous British imperialist and white supremacist, at the University of Oxford is being removed.
One of the cops who murdered Breonna Taylor will be fired.
The cop who murdered Rayshard Brooks–who had already been fired–was charged with felony murder.
Three Confederate monuments were removed from downtown Raleigh, North Carolina.
The rebellion is breathing antiracist life into the labor movement, with over five hundred strikes recorded in its first three weeks, and more antiracist workplace actions being organized.
A political strike against racism and police terror carried out by the International Longshore and Warehouse Union shut down west coast ports from Washington state to San Diego on Juneteenth.
In the midst of ungovernable rebellion against racism, an overwhelmingly conservative Supreme Court of the United States took landmark votes protecting LGBTQ workers on the job and blocking Trump’s bid to end the DACA program. We consider these victories inseparable from the mass disruptive power of the antiracist uprising.
This is certainly a partial list, but it is reflective of the massive shifts and concrete gains that the rebellion has propelled from the realm of the unthinkable into reality. These gains, like any reform, are partial and tenuous. They are far from perfect. They are concessions thrown out by a system being contested trying to save itself. Their ultimate impact is yet to be settled. But they reflect how quickly things can change when people take action from below, disrupting business as usual through often illegal action, outside the designated and sanctioned channels. These wins, and surely more to come, are products of a struggle from below, fueled by rage and fire, celebration and joy. And we are just getting started.

This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.

brian bean is a member of the Rampant editorial collective and an editor and contributor to the book Palestine: A Socialist Introduction forthcoming from Haymarket Books.

Sean Larson is a member of the Rampant editorial collective.
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Re: This is REALLY interesting

Postby cptmarginal » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:47 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:52 pm wrote:One of my monthly subscriptions in the new media world is to Yasha Levine's substack, Immigrants as a Weapon. I think this podcast, "Episode #2: Russians Against Politics" will be accessible to anyone who links. Entertaining talk.


Love Yasha Levine over here; his book Surveillance Valley is certainly essential reading. Might have to check the podcast out...
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Well, you don't have to!

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:10 pm

I found it vastly entertaining, though he needs to curb his exuberance just a bit and let Evgenia talk without crowding her. (Not that she can't take care of herself, or that I'm saying it's "toxic." I rate it G for pretty innocent.)
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby kelley » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:43 pm

ideally it's a short step from 'defund the police' to 'defund the pentagon'

successes with one should lead to the next
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:11 pm

kelley » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:43 pm wrote:ideally it's a short step from 'defund the police' to 'defund the pentagon'

successes with one should lead to the next


Completely agree. The sooner we get the Earth out of this current peace bubble and back to the war of all against all, the better. We've got billions too many people and US hegemony isn't going to solve that -- too profitable.
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:13 pm

You wag you. As if, just as thankgodit'saDemocrat is but the laying of pavestones for the New Republican Worst Ever, your "peace bubble" (besides not being anything of the sort) at best is intentionally piling up tinder for the match that's going to be blamed on someone else.
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby Blue » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:40 pm

oh my godz......no, I haven't read this entire thread but man.

Just stop the dick swinging.

The world is tired of it.
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Re: June 2020, United States: The Unfolding

Postby Elvis » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:42 pm

"When we're talking about war, we're really talking about peace." —G.W. Bush :starz:
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