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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:34 pm

So like any rational, sane thinking person I am offput by all these right wing tea party/militia and ted nugent who hate Obama and speak of violent revolutions and assassinations. Their hate of so called "socialists" and the deranged hoi polloi of conservabots.

However, knowing that Obama is adament about his kill lists(imagine if Bush openly talked of those, including American born citizens!), his policy on claiming theres no civilian casualties in pakistan(cuz theyre all 'terrorists') AND the fact Obama commits war crimes by insisting on targetting rescuers and passerbys AFTER a drone strike(which usually already kills villagers in initial strikes)
should be enough for most liberals to rethink how they truly view this government as somehow separate from the Bush administration. In many ways, Obama has gone more brazenly cowboy...but its presented as this chic, MTV facebook youtube twitter phone app hipness.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:39 pm

8bitagent wrote:I used to laugh, now I cringe whenever I see an Obama sticker next to an anti war/pro peace sticker on a car. I kind of feel sorry for the Whole Food organic Prius yuppy/granola liberals


yes, we will feel much better about ourselves after romney wins and moves the right wing supreme court majority to 7-2.

it will be worth it to tally our moral superiority.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:00 am

freemason9 wrote:
8bitagent wrote:I used to laugh, now I cringe whenever I see an Obama sticker next to an anti war/pro peace sticker on a car. I kind of feel sorry for the Whole Food organic Prius yuppy/granola liberals


yes, we will feel much better about ourselves after romney wins and moves the right wing supreme court majority to 7-2.

it will be worth it to tally our moral superiority.


Like that could happen. Even LDS conservative friends I know ain't going to be voting for Mittler. Romney is the Dole/Mccain for this election cycle...I could be wrong.
But if they wanted a right winger in office, they could have picked someone more convincing to the masses. Romney is a clown to most people.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby compared2what? » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:06 am

8bitagent wrote:
freemason9 wrote:
8bitagent wrote:I used to laugh, now I cringe whenever I see an Obama sticker next to an anti war/pro peace sticker on a car. I kind of feel sorry for the Whole Food organic Prius yuppy/granola liberals


yes, we will feel much better about ourselves after romney wins and moves the right wing supreme court majority to 7-2.

it will be worth it to tally our moral superiority.


Like that could happen.


It could. I mean, among other things, it's a very close race. But almost nobody's enthusiastic about either candidate. So a lot of people probably won't vote. And that favors Romney, who can count on Obama-haters in a way that's not reciprocal.

^^I'm not saying that will happen. I got no strong feeling one way or the other. I'm just saying it could.

8bit wrote:liberals


^^ That describes less than 20 percent of the voting public, to most of whom it's a slur.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:24 am

I hate to say it, but count me in as one of those li'bruls who almost wants Romney to win. Not at all out of spite of Obama, because I do think Obama has some good points and has been ok when it comes to women/gay/etc issues. But because maybe it'll finally wake up the left. just to the smarmy mouthy Obamabot liberals who tell people like me to shut it and fall in line, they need a cold hard wake up call.

Obama represents this fake, facebook/twitter/dubstep/autotune pop music/zoned out zombie with apple product headphones in their ears bullshit period I really really really dislike.
I mean he doesn't but he's part and parcel to everything. If Ted the Unabomber didnt commit heinous acts of violence, I'd say his thoughts on what's going on with technology and society should be studied.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby compared2what? » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:12 am

8bitagent wrote:I hate to say it, but count me in as one of those li'bruls who almost wants Romney to win. Not at all out of spite of Obama, because I do think Obama has some good points and has been ok when it comes to women/gay/etc issues.


He's a total non-entity, and a bad president, if you ask me.

Some desirable stuff comes with the partisan territory, though, if that's what you mean.

But because maybe it'll finally wake up the left. just to the smarmy mouthy Obamabot liberals who tell people like me to shut it and fall in line, they need a cold hard wake up call.


I honestly have no idea who you're talking about.

* There are a relatively small number of Democrats (by "relatively," I mean "relative to the total") who root for their political party the way other people root for their sports team. And I assume that they're carrying on with that during this election cycle as usual, amongst themselves.

* There is no left to speak of in this country.

* Liberals, smarmy or otherwise, account for less than twenty percent of the electorate.

* Obama's approval rating hasn't been over 50 percent since 2009 for more than a minute.

* And the general tone of Obama campaign coverage that I've seen has been lackluster-to-negative. Like, for example,
this...:

    The best case against the Obama administration

    The strongest case against the Obama administration’s economic policy goes something like this:

    Early on, the Obama administration misunderstood the unusual nature of the crisis. You can see it in its forecasts, which predicted a rapid, “V”-shaped recovery even if Congress didn’t pass a stimulus bill. And you can see it in the administration’s policies, which focused on supporting the financial system while it kickstarted growth by putting people back to work, handing out tax cuts and stopping state and local governments from laying people off.

    The precise nature of the administration’s misunderstanding was that the key problem was household debt, and until that problem was solved the economy couldn’t recover. But while it had a clear strategy for attacking bad debt in the banking system, and a clear strategy for attacking the fall in consumer spending, it never had a clear strategy for reducing housing debt.

    Instead, the administration believed that the best and fairest way to fix the housing system was to fix the economy. If people had jobs and tax cuts and unemployment insurance, they would be able to pay their mortgages and they would be able to buy new homes and that would take care of the housing problem.

    That did not take care of the problem– it did not come close to taking care of the problem.

    So one view is that the administration basically got the crisis backward. You couldn’t fix the housing crisis by fixing the economy. You had to fix the economy by fixing the housing crisis. And the administration’s housing policy wasn’t anywhere near sufficient to do that. This mistake was doubly disastrous because monetary policy, which would normally be a huge driver of recovery, typically works through the housing market, encouraging consumers to buy new homes while interest rates are low. Leaving the housing market’s dysfunctions to fester also meant that the Federal Reserve’s efforts to lower long-term interest rates had little affect on the economy.

    In this morning’s New York Times, Binyamin Appelbaum tells the story of the administration’s disappointing housing policy response. It’s worth reading alongside Zach Goldfarb’s September look at the same subject. Together, the articles make an ironclad case that the Obama administration’s housing policies failed to fix the housing crisis, in part because they never really tried to fix the housing crisis.

...from Ezra Klein (more at link), to say nothing of the Times piece he refers to there.

Obama represents this fake, facebook/twitter/dubstep/autotune pop music/zoned out zombie with apple product headphones in their ears bullshit period I really really really dislike.


^^I recognize that as a right-wing talking point, but otherwise, again, have no idea who you're talking about.

I mean he doesn't but he's part and parcel to everything.


Oh! Okay. Gotcha. I know the feeling.

If Ted the Unabomber didnt commit heinous acts of violence, I'd say his thoughts on what's going on with technology and society should be studied.


Well. His thoughts didn't commit the heinous acts of violence. so go for it, I say.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:31 am

compared2what? wrote:

* Liberals, smarmy or otherwise, account for less than twenty percent of the electorate.

^^I recognize that as a right-wing talking point, but otherwise, again, have no idea who you're talking about.



Well it's strange as most people I encounter claim to be liberal, and I coulda sworn most college kids identify as such.
But you mean of people who *actually* vote. Obama could order a nuke strike on Iran, and the right wing would complain he didnt do it sooner/Cheney is the
one who should get credit. Some country star came out saying Obama was a commie Muslim today. These folks are the most clownish people of society,
but damn do they sure vote and organize. I still find it pleasurable to chastise the Democrats/Left in America, or whatever is closest to it, as they should grow
a pair.

Regarding what I said about this techno-twitter verse world we live in, several threads about it

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34924&start=15

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35280

And a documentary "Digital Nation"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/

My view is essentially that, least in Western society, our minds and everything else are being completely shaped/augmented/compartmentalized by everything going on: tuning out with ipod earbuds, constantly checking ones smart phone/texting/using apps, living on facebook, etc. Everything is being boiled down, shaped. Behavior, speech, etc. Soon people won't even be able to right their own name or have normal conversations.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby crikkett » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:02 am

8bitagent wrote:Obama represents this fake, facebook/twitter/dubstep/autotune pop music/zoned out zombie with apple product headphones in their ears bullshit period I really really really dislike.


Aw, I kind of like dubstep. But I only discovered it last year.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:08 am

freemason9 wrote:
8bitagent wrote:I used to laugh, now I cringe whenever I see an Obama sticker next to an anti war/pro peace sticker on a car. I kind of feel sorry for the Whole Food organic Prius yuppy/granola liberals


yes, we will feel much better about ourselves after romney wins and moves the right wing supreme court majority to 7-2.

it will be worth it to tally our moral superiority.

Who is this "we" you speak of?
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Elihu » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:35 am

i think the cart:
Some country star came out saying Obama was a commie Muslim today. These folks are the most clownish people of society, but damn do they sure vote and organize. I still find it pleasurable to chastise the Democrats/Left in America, or whatever is closest to it, as they should grow a pair.
is now somehow in front of the horse:
My view is essentially that, least in Western society, our minds and everything else are being completely shaped/augmented/compartmentalized by everything going on: ...Everything is being boiled down, shaped. Behavior, speech, etc. Soon people won't even be able to right their own name or have normal conversations.
how anyone out there in the mobocracy "feels", no matter how clownish they actually are or intelligent/enlightened they perceive themselves to be is irrelevant. they have zero input on the selection of "their" "candidates". the stage personalities are no more answerable to the mob than they are to an ant. imo.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:54 am

Elihu wrote:how anyone out there in the mobocracy "feels", no matter how clownish they actually are or intelligent/enlightened they perceive themselves to be is irrelevant. they have zero input on the selection of "their" "candidates". the stage personalities are no more answerable to the mob than they are to an ant. imo.


Truth.

How it seems to work these days in setting about a direction or action (that TPTB desire of course, independant of the rabble concerns) is first to get a PR campaign going and have a core of dupes to go along. They will go on TV, message boards, etc. and parrot the desired 'thinking'. The 'narrative' is the thing. They create a dominate PR narrative through the media outlets, then of course act on those forced/manufactured pretenses.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Hunter » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:37 pm

Let me say I do not like Obama or agree with all of his policies but I will suggest you all get out there and vote for him because if Romney wins, unlikely but possible, a GOP controlled House and Republican president will gut everything and do some serious damage to this country. Again, Obama is not perfect and far from it but one of them is going to be our next President and I think Obama is the lesser evil right now, that isnt saying much but still.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:58 pm

But that is used every damned election. Every fucking time. It may be true sometimes, but every time? Mention the pivotal court selection choice too.

I'm sort of thinking we need to hit bottom and the sooner the better, but I can afford (or think I can) to be cavilier like that.
Just wait for the soon approaching horror. It comes. But thats a very risky bet I know. What if the people don't wake up? What if instead we go further down than is even imaginable?! Its possible.

Yes, no dependants. So I can afford to say 'lets just tank this shit now!' And I still hold it against that fucker in office now for the enormous wasted opportunity he had. Fuck!
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:07 pm

Irony Alert:
You think the president's bad now? Wait until he doesn't have to worry about re-election.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby NeonLX » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:18 pm

Spiro C. Thiery wrote:Irony Alert:
You think the president's bad now? Wait until he doesn't have to worry about re-election.


Heh.

I've wondered for some time now whether they actually do worry about "re-election" anyway...I just ain't sure if an election even occurs. Some kind of event occurs, to be sure, but it feels very orchestrated to me.

As always, sorry for the cynicism.
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