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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:32 pm

http://gizmodo.com/5882770/fukushima-cr ... steriously

Fukushima Crisis Awakes After Reactor Heats Up Mysteriously
Just when you thought it was over, the temperature at reactor number 2 at Fukushima's nuclear plant has soared 26.7 degrees Celsius in the last few hours. Worse: they don't know why the temperature is increasing after being stabilized for so long.

The reactor reached 164 degrees Fahrenheit (73.3 degrees Celsius) after being stabilized at 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 degrees Celsius) since last December. Here's the latest official update by Tepco, the owner of the plant:

At this moment, temperature indicates approx. 71.0 °C (as of 11:00 am on February 6). We will monitor it continuously.

The reactors were finally shut down cold after ten months of dramatic struggle by company and emergency workers.

Tepco has admitted that they don't have a clue about what is going on. They have increased the amount of water pumped into the reactor ten percent, but their technicians don't know what is going on. The change was detected in one of the three thermometers at the base of the reactor.

The plant was hit by a magnitude 9 earthquake and a tsunami that caused all systems to shut down, sending the reactors and spent nuclear fuel rods into a disastrous spiral of malfunctions that ended in a meltdown and venting of radioactivity material to the water and the atmosphere.

Helicopters have started to survey the area above the plant to gather information about the current radiation level in the air.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Sounder » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:44 pm

Just when you thought it was over


Yeah, in this editors dream maybe.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:07 pm

Sounder wrote:
Just when you thought it was over


Yeah, in this editors dream maybe.


A few hundred years from the ptb will be thinking, "what the fuck were we thinking?" As they live underground to keep from dying, and lamenting the fact that there are not enough above drones to do their bidding, and keep their life support systems going, they might wish they have left a few more alive. People that live in the light need people that live in the dark to keep all this shit going, and vice versa. Life as we know it may already be unsustainable as the cards of time play out the hands. Sometimes humans or people or Gods or whatever they choose to be known by don't know when animals have had enough of a beating. And then all becomes one, which is the last thing under the Sun that was truly intended. When all becomes one the Gods are one and the same with the animals. When will the Gods learn when enough is enough? Its one thing to beat an animal into submission, but quite another thing to make an atmosphere in which life is completely unsustainable for the Gods and animals both.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:36 am

There's a part of me that wants the Western system to crash and burn - so that we can start again - ousting the banking cartel that has determined the direction of the West for the last few hundred years.

But the fact that our societies are riddled with over 400 nuclear power plants pretty much precludes this happening. Any hint of chaos and those puppies start popping all over the place. Catch 22. The hubris of man.

Anyone got any suggestions how we simultaneously remove the banking system, the corporate behemoths and the corrupt politicians in one fell swoop, whilst retaining enough semblance of order to keep the new, improved machine servicing these nuclear monsters?

Actually, if you know of a way, keep it to yourself and those that you trust. We don't want to give them a heads up.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Elihu » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:22 am

Anyone got any suggestions how we simultaneously remove the banking system, the corporate behemoths and the corrupt politicians in one fell swoop, whilst retaining enough semblance of order to keep the new, improved machine servicing these nuclear monsters?
civics 101.

Actually, if you know of a way, keep it to yourself and those that you trust. We don't want to give them a heads up.
no worries. boring trumps secrecy.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:32 pm


http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_new ... 202020055/

Yakuza labor structure formed base of nuclear industry
February 02, 2012


In a rural area 15 kilometers southwest of the Oi nuclear plant in Fukui Prefecture, a business office displays the signboard of a construction company. But inside, a 67-year-old man wearing a black knit cap and wrapped up in a blanket while watching television indicates that the company is more of a temp staff agency for nuclear power plant work.

“Do you want to know about worker staffing?” he says, as he narrows his eyes and grimaces. “That was lucrative. When I was asked to gather up 10 workers, I called up yakuza and construction dealers.”

His said his work involved “disguised subcontracts.” Under the system, a subcontractor provides temporary staff to a general contractor, and they work under the instructions of the general contractor. The practice is illegal under the Employment Security Law, which is designed to protect the rights of workers and to ensure proper working conditions for them.

But the practice has remained widespread for years at nuclear plants around the nation, according to sources.

The workers, desperate for income, hop from one nuclear plant to another for jobs they know are dangerous. The yakuza groups, seeing certain sources of income drying up, continue to take their cut from the system. And general contractors and the utilities themselves have not taken action because the system supplies a steady source of cheap labor.

On Jan. 12, Fukui and Fukuoka prefectural police arrested the 58-year-old director of a Fukui sales section at Taihei Dengyo Kaisha Ltd., a major power plant work contractor, the 59-year-old president of a subcontractor for Taihei Dengyo, and a 36-year-old former senior official of a sub-subcontractor, whose husband is a crime syndicate leader.

They are suspected of using a man from Kita-Kyushu to work under a disguised subcontract at the Oi nuclear power plant.

Fukui Prefecture, home to 13 reactors at four nuclear power stations, is often dubbed the "main drag of nuclear plants."

But some who have been involved in disguised subcontracts say the illegal system is at the very base of nuclear power supply for the entire nation.

CASE 1: OI

The man in the black knit hat, which couldn’t hide the 5-centimeter scar on his forehead, said he used to belong to a yakuza group affiliated with Yamaguchi-gumi, the largest crime syndicate in Japan.

"Workers immediately flocked to me if I just promised to pay them 10,000 yen ($130) a day. And I took the cost of overhead from their daily wages," he said.

He returned from Kobe to his native Oi six years ago and began sending workers--in groups of 10 to 15 every three months--to the Oi nuclear plant, the Tsuruga nuclear plant in Fukui Prefecture, the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant in Fukushima Prefecture and the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear plant in Niigata Prefecture.

Most of the jobs involved cleaning and repairing pipes inside the nuclear reactor buildings, where radiation doses were high.

He said the workers became visibly worn out after the first month of work.

"The young ones were paid only 8,000 yen a day and were doing dangerous work. Life was really hard on them," the broker said.

Calls for workers came from local subcontractors that had won orders from electric power companies for tasks at nuclear plants.

When a subcontractor paid daily wages to the broker, he distributed them to the workers after subtracting 3,000 yen per head. He could earn 30,000 yen a day and about 900,000 yen a month if he dispatched 10 workers.

"It's not easy for yakuza to earn money these days," the man said. "With nuclear plants, however, you could make money easily if you simply had a telephone line. I was left with famous amounts of money even after paying ‘royalties’ to my syndicate."

CASE 2: FUKUSHIMA NO. 1

A similar structure with yakuza involvement seems to have been in place at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, where Japan’s worst nuclear disaster started following the Great East Japan Earthquake and tsunami on March 11 last year.

"We colleagues often talk about yakuza intervention in the staffing of workers," said a worker at the crippled plant who lives in Fukushima Prefecture. "We've certainly heard more stories about that sort of thing following the March 11 disaster, like, 'That syndicate is affiliated here, and that one there.'"

The worker said he earns 11,000 yen in daily wages plus 5,000 yen in danger allowances, but some of his colleagues from the Kansai region in western Japan receive 30,000-40,000 yen a day.

"Many nuclear plant workers at Fukushima were linked to gangsters in the 1960s and the ’70s," said a former employee of Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the Fukushima No. 1 plant, who once worked at the plant.

Crime syndicates dispatched the workers, and some of them were gangsters themselves, the former employee said. TEPCO and its general contractors issued perfunctory warnings but largely ignored the practice because such workers were always in high demand.

CASE 3: MIHAMA

A 63-year-old man, who lives in Takahama, Fukui Prefecture, said a site supervisor told him three years ago, "Don't bother to come from tomorrow."

He had lost his job at the Mihama nuclear plant in Mihama in the prefecture because a health check showed that his white blood cell count was rising.

He had worked for 15 years at nuclear plants.

Like others, he jumped from one nuclear plant to another when reactors underwent regular inspections, which offered increased opportunities for cleaning and repair jobs.

Aside from his stints at the Mihama plant, the man also worked at the Oi and Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plants through the offices of acquaintances.

He engaged in pipe welding, cleaning and bolt fastening repairs inside nuclear reactor buildings, where the humidity was high and the temperatures exceeded 40 degrees. Annoyed by the constant perspiration at work, he sometimes removed his protective gear and mask.

Once, while he was working inside a reactor containment vessel, where radiation levels were high, a tool ripped a hole in his rubber glove. He fled the vessel in a panic and washed his hands and the skin under his fingernails for 30 minutes.

When he bled from a bruise on his head, he was paid treatment fees, but an industrial accident report was never filed. Blowing his nose increasingly resulted in nosebleeds.

The man said he received between 10,000 and 20,000 yen in daily wages. The largest amount he earned during a year was only 3 million yen.

He received no severance pay nor unemployment allowances after he lost his job. He has looked for other work, but in vain.

THE LARGER PICTURE

Crime syndicates and illegal businesses flock to nuclear plants where workers toil under harsh conditions. But the problem does not stop there.

"The disguised subcontract has thrived at nuclear plants across Japan because the power utilities, which wish to save on personnel expenses, have turned a blind eye to the picture," said Masahiko Yamamoto, a 54-year-old former nuclear plant worker in Tsuruga, Fukui Prefecture, who is engaged in campaigns against nuclear power.

"We have called on our contractors to abide by laws, including severing ties with crime syndicates," said a representative of Kansai Electric Power Co., the operator of the Oi nuclear plant. "We regret very much that a case of noncompliance was exposed. We will repeat our calls to stick to the rules."

The 63-year-old former worker in Takahama spoke in casual manner during the interview, but he raised his tone abruptly when asked how he felt about his career as a nuclear plant worker.

"We, the rank-and-file workers, have been the real suppliers of Japan's power. But I feel differently now. You shouldn't work at nuclear plants. You will be exploited and discarded."



(This article was written by Kazuyuki Ito and Yosuke Akai.)
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:16 pm

Emails Show Panic Within US Nuke Agency in Wake of Fukushima Disaster
US experts for Nuclear Regulatary Commission disagreed over best way to contain ongoing nuclear disaster
- Common Dreams staff

Emails posted on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's (NRC) website show an agency that was ill-informed about the state of the crisis taking place at the failing Fukushima nuclear plant last year in Japan. The emails reveal some of the mitigation plans advisors to the NRC were contemplating, show an agency reluctant to share its own research on spent fuel pools, and unwilling to articulate worst-case scenarios, including a nuclear fallout plan for Alaska.

'Fog of information': U.S. experts said they were not getting accurate details of the scope of the Fukushima disaster after reactors melted down last year. (AP) The Washington Post reports:

The NRC e-mails reveal disagreement about how to advise the Japanese. The NRC staff chafed at some un­or­tho­dox advice coming from an ad hoc group of scientists assembled by Energy Secretary Steven Chu. Famed physicist Richard Garwin, one of Chu’s group, proposed setting off a controlled “shaped” explosion to break through the concrete shield around the primary steel containment structure to allow cooling water to be applied from the outside. One NRC scientist called the idea “madness.”

Another idea from the Chu group was to attempt a “junk shot” — a variation on what some engineers proposed to stop the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico — to plug leaks of radioactive water from Fukushima’s nuclear reactors into the sea. When using a mixture of sawdust, newspapers and other junk failed, Japan’s Tepco ultimately used a compound known as liquid glass.

“The e-mails provide a candid picture of the level of uncertainty and confusion within the U.S. government and indicates that even U.S. experts had major divisions about what was going on and how to best mitigate the crisis,” said Edwin Lyman, a senior scientist and nuclear expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists.

And The Daily Mail reports:

The agency was asked by several countries about pools used to house spent nuclear reactor fuel. [...]

France, Germany and Japan sought access to NRC information on the pools on March 17, but it was reluctant to share the data over fears of potential attacks on reactors triggered by the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Mr Lyman added: 'There is a whole base of information about spent fuel fires and pools that the NRC is not sharing with the public.

'We understand that when you're concerned about terrorist attacks that you want to conceal information, but I don't think there's any reason to maintain such a broad blackout over this type of information.'

Other emails reveal people in the U.S. calling for all nuclear power stations to be temporarily shut so tests could be carried out as well as Freedom of Information Act requests for details of correspondence on Fukushima.

The emails, available on the NRC website, also reveal concerns over a U.S. reactor similar to one of the stricken units at Fukushima.

And The Washington Post story adds:

While assuring Americans publicly that there was no danger [to those living in the United States], the NRC did not disclose one worst-case scenario, which did not rule out the possibility of radiation exceeding safe levels for thyroid doses in Alaska, the e-mails show. “Because things were uncertain, we considered it but the data that was available . . . did not support that very pessimistic scenario so no, it was not discussed publicly at that point,” NRC spokesman Scott Burnell said. In the end, Alaska was not affected.

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Rising temperatures at Fukushima raise questions over stability of nuclear plant [ Kyodo/Reuters)] Tests were ordered on all Japanese nuclear plants after the Fukushima disaster. (Photograph: Kyodo/Reuters)

The Guardian reported late Tuesday:

Workers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant say they are regaining control of a reactor after its temperature rose dramatically this week, casting doubt on government claims that the facility has been stabilised.

The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power [Tepco] was forced to increase the amount of cooling water being injected into the No 2 reactor after its temperature soared to 73.3C earlier this week.

By Tuesday night, the temperature had dropped to 68.5C at the bottom of the reactor's containment vessel, where molten fuel is believed to have accumulated after three of Fukushima Daiichi's six reactors suffered meltdown after last year's tsunami disaster.

The temperature at the bottom of the No 2 reactor vessel had risen by more than 20C in the space of several days, although it remained below the 93C limit the US nuclear regulatory commission sets for a safe state known as cold shutdown. Tepco said it had also injected water containing boric acid to prevent a nuclear chain reaction known as re-criticality.

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Nobel Winner Oe Urges Japan to Decommission Nuclear Reactors [ VOA - S. L Herman)] Author Keiko Ochiai, journalist Satoshi Kamata and Nobel literature laureate Kenzaburo Oe prepare to speak to reporters in Tokyo, February 8, 2012. (Photo: VOA - S. L Herman)

And Bloomberg reports on the growing anti-nuclear movement in Japan:

Japan should decide quickly to abandon its nuclear reactors, according to Nobel Prize laureate Kenzaburo Oe.

“If we are to take ethical responsibility for children of tomorrow, we need to decide now to abandon all reactors,” the 77-year old author said today at a press conference at the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of Japan.

“Another severe nuclear accident could occur,” said Oe, who is among the nine founding members of the “Sayonara Nuclear Power Plants” campaign launched last June. “There is no proof it won’t happen again.”

The initiative aims to collect 10 million signatures to urge the government to phase out nuclear power generation and shift to clean energy and energy-saving measures. So far, 5 million signatures have been collected, said Satoshi Kamata, a freelance journalist and another founding member.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:06 am

Tepco Says Fukushima Reactor Temperature Breaches Safety Limit

By Tsuyoshi Inajima and Takeshi Awaji - Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM CT

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501) said the temperature in one of the damaged reactors at its Fukushima nuclear station rose to levels above safety limits even as it injected increased amounts of cooling water.

One of three thermometers indicated the temperature at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor pressure vessel rose to 93.7 degrees Celsius (200.7 Fahrenheit) today, higher than the 80 degrees limit, Ai Tanaka, a spokeswoman for the utility known as Tepco, said by phone today.

There are no signs of isotopes that would suggest the reactor has gone critical and there’s been no increase in radiation around the site, the company said in a statement. The other two thermometers at the bottom of the vessel showed temperatures of 32.8 degrees and 33.1 degrees earlier today, spokesman Naohiro Omura said. The thermometers have a margin of error of as much as 20 degrees.

“We think the thermometer may be faulty,” Omura said. The other two gauges indicate temperatures are falling, he said.

It’s also possible that unstable water flow into the unit may have kept the coolant from reaching parts of the melted fuel, he said.

The utility increased the rate of coolant flow to 17.4 cubic meters per hour from 14.1 cubic meters per hour as of 3:30 p.m. yesterday, it said in a statement.

Tepco and Japan’s government announced on Dec. 16 they succeeded in bringing the reactors into a safe state known as cold shutdown nine months after the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami caused the worst release of radiation since the Chernobyl accident in 1986.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Mike Stark » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:19 am

seeing tweets mentioning long earthquake at Fukushima in last coupla hours. I remember from several months back that there was some concern for the structural soundness of one of the towers holding a cooling pool; another EQ was a primary concern.

{UPDATE} http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... hp#details

Tweet says "pictures on walls were swinging wildly" at Fukushima restaurant. He claimed 5.5 magnitude, just south of Fukushima, but link above puts epicenter about 700 miles South of Fukushima, and says magnitude 4.5 (a big difference from 5.5)
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:47 pm

^^^^Thanks


Japan Tsunami Debris May Soon Hit California Coast(VIDEO)
Japan Tsunami Debris

First Posted: 02/13/2012 12:46 pm Updated: 02/14/2012 11:25 am
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At this very moment, up to 25 million tons of debris--occupying an area roughly the size of California--is a on a collision course for the North American west coast.

The floating wreckage, often called flotsam, is a result of the massively destructive, 9.0-magnitude earthquake that struck just off the coast of Japan last March.

Peninsula College oceanographers Curtis Ebbesmeyer and Jim Ingraham told the Huffington Post that the wreckage could include virtually anything that floats-- portions of houses, boats, ships, furniture, cars and even human remains (athletic shoes can act as flotation devices).

"You're going to have the flotsam go four places," Ebbesmeyer explained to the the American Foreign Press. "Some is going to sink, which might be a quarter; some is going to come to North America, which might be a quarter; some is going to come around back to Japan, which might be a quarter, about six years later; some is going to go into the garbage patch, which might be a quarter roughly."

The first pieces of flotsam began to hit the United States in late 2011; however, a great deal more will likely wash ashore over the course of the next year two years--with the majority starting to land next winter.

The Environmental Protection Agency has begun coordinating with the U.S. Coast Guard on an extensive clean-up effort, but the agency admits they're still largely in the dark about exactly what the scale of that effort will be.

"We don't know how much is floating, we don't know how much is buoyant, how much is under the surface, how much has broken up," EPA Regional Director Jared Blumenfeld told ABC-7 News, "but we do know there is a huge amount of it and stuff that you don't normally find. Cars, houses, telephone booths, I mean you name it."

A historical precedent makes it difficult to predict the ultimate landing place of waterborne debris. The San Jose Mercury News reports:

[National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Pacific Islands Director Kris] McElwee noted that after other major disasters, including Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004, massive amounts of material that washed out to sea did not turn up on beaches in other countries. Instead, the flotsam caused problems near the beaches where it originated, creating hazards for ships and disrupting commercial fishing.

Officials have noted, even though the tsunami created a major nuclear threat in Japan, there's very little risk of any radioactive material hitting American or Canadian shores.

Starting last year, a handful of organizations have begun taking researchers studying ocean currents and nautical plastic accumulation as well as tourists interested in seeing the floating aftermath of the Japanese disaster on firsthand trips through the Pacific gyre, where much of the debris has accumulated.

"For me it's interesting to see that there is debris from the ocean coming from events like tsunami--things that you can't control--and things that you can control as well," cruise participant Valerie Lecoeur told National Geographic

Check out this computer simulation from the International Pacific Research Center showing how the debris will likely travel over time:


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:01 am

Radioactive or Not, Tsunami Debris Could Seriously Impact US's, Canada's West Coasts
Monday 20 February 2012
by: Jon Letman, Truthout


Pacific coastal communities prepare for possible impacts of marine debris from Japan's triple disaster.

In the age of constant crisis coverage, it is easy to forget that disasters don't just end once the cameras move on. On the contrary, they morph into new situations, sometimes improved, but often more complex and severe. In the case of Japan's earthquake-tsunami-nuclear catastrophe, part of that tripartite disaster floated out to sea as debris where it has been drifting for months to destinations unknown.

According to Japan's Ministry of Environment's Waste Management Division, the 9.0 magnitude temblor and tsunami generated some 25 million tons of debris in total, literally sucking the lives of thousands of people and their belongings out to sea. Since last March, the remains of destroyed buildings, vehicles, broken furniture, fishing boats, nets and miscellaneous flotsam has been adrift in the north Pacific vastness. But how much was pulled into the ocean and where it will end up, no one can really say for sure.

Scientists and experts in Canada and the United States and, in particular, the Hawaiian islands, recognizing the potential for a fourth leg to Japan's triple disaster, are trying to forecast a possible debris path as they prepare for what could be headed their way.

One scientist closely monitoring the situation is Dr. Nikolai Maximenko, a senior researcher at the University of Hawaii's International Pacific Research Center in Honolulu. Speaking at a conference on the Hawaiian island of Kauai in December, Maximenko said that one-third to one-quarter of the total debris may have been pulled out to sea by the tsunami. But what first appeared as dense, yellow floating masses of broken lumber was quickly overshadowed by a more immediate human and environmental disaster unfolding on land.

Maximenko and other scientists in Hawaii are using diagnostic computer models in an attempt to accurately predict the likely path of debris. In June 2011, sailors traveling between Yokohama and Alaska sighted suspected tsunami-generated detritus. They described navigating two days across a field of "unusual debris," including they said looked like "file cabinets, lumber, freezer chests and large pieces of Styrofoam."

In another significant sighting last September, the Russian sailing ship STS Pallada reported passing through debris some 400 miles west of Midway atoll while on its way from Hawaii to the Vladivostok. The Russian crew spotted an unoccupied Japanese fishing boat (later confirmed to be registered in Fukushima Prefecture) as well as televisions, bottles, boots, wash basins and doors.

Coming to a Beach Near You

Citing a SCUD (Surface Currents from Diagnostic) model, Maximenko explains how the best available forecasts suggest debris is likely to first reach the mostly uninhabited, remote, northwestern Hawaiian islands before moving east toward the west coast of Canada and the United States and then circling back in the direction of the main Hawaiian islands. Models forecast debris could enter Hawaiian waters as early as this winter, continuing through at least 2015.

Late last year, a UK tabloid ran the headline, "Japanese tsunami debris washes up on US West Coast nine months after disaster (and there's 100 MILLION more tons on its way)." Eye-catching to be sure, but experts caution that it's impossible to know how much material remains afloat, what path it will take and where or when it will appear.

Maximenko's own assessment of the potential crisis is blunt: "We are not prepared for this event, but we have a unique opportunity to understand and to protect." He says that now is the time to form partnerships among organizations and individuals to plan for possible impacts and monitor Pacific waters and coastlines.

The Hawaiian islands, reliant on tourism as a major part of its economy, have seen an overall decline in the number of Japanese tourists dating back to at least 9/11, but still enjoy the economic benefit of Japanese (and now, increasingly, Korean and Chinese) tourist arrivals. The notion that some of Hawaii's beautiful, sandy beaches could be hit with an influx of tsunami debris is enough to make tourist industry officials turn ashen. To suggest that the debris could possibly be contaminated from the Fukushima nuclear plants is the stuff of a real-life sci-fi horror story.

Radioactive? Probably Not

The good news is that scientists state with a high degree of certainty that any tsunami debris is very likely not radioactive. Quite simply, the timing was off, according to Dr. Henrieta Dulaiova, a radiochemist and assistant professor at the University of Hawaii's Department of Geology and Geophysics. The overwhelming majority of tsunami ruins were pulled out to sea at least 24 hours before the first reports of radiation leaks from the Fukushima plants. By the time the worst radiation leaks occurred, that debris was far from the contamination zone.

Dulaiova has studied multiple water samples taken from tsunami debris fields, which she says show "very little" radioactivity. "The debris didn't have a chance to soak in highly radioactive water," Dulaiova says. "I suspect there is very little radioactivity, if any."

At the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Marine Debris Program office in Honolulu, Carey Morishige, the Pacific islands regional coordinator, is working with partners within and outside of NOAA to better understand the quantities, types and location of tsunami debris using satellite data, reported sightings at sea and numeric models based on historic weather and ocean patterns.

She explains that as NOAA and its numerous partners obtain more information on marine debris sightings, it will hopefully be able to better predict possible flow patterns.

How Much Debris, Where and When?

Morishige notes that prediction models don't take degradation into account and cautions that it is impossible to know how much debris has sunk and how much remains afloat. She says NOAA does not expect Pacific coastlines to be deluged with large items like boats, cars or refrigerators, but is nonetheless planning to respond to a potential increase in unusual debris.

Early forecast models have predicted tsunami debris wouldn't reach the US West Coast until 2013 but, as NPR and others have reported, people from Alaska to Oregon are already claiming to have found objects they suspect are from the Japanese disaster. Morishige says that it's possible, but unlikely, the debris is from the tsunami.

"It's really hard to fingerprint a marine debris item and identify its source with any kind of accuracy," she says, adding that debris doesn't simply travel in a straight line and is subject to highly variable ocean and wind conditions.

Not an Emergency ... So Far

According to the most current research, no tsunami debris has yet to reach the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument, a nearly 140,000 square km protected marine wilderness dotted by reefs, shoals and atolls. The remote region of the northwestern Hawaiian islands, a UNESCO World Heritage site, is recognized for its high biodiversity and is home to 14 million sea birds, 7,000 marine species, turtles, seabirds, fish, invertebrates, coral, plankton and endemic terrestrial plant life.

The arrival of tsunami wreckage there would only add to the already serious problem of "ordinary" marine debris, which is generated even under normal conditions, already polluting this otherwise near-pristine wilderness. With access difficult and resources limited, responding to something large like fishing vessels washing up on reefs or atolls would be extremely difficult.

A best-case scenario, Morishige suggests, would be to look back in five years' time to see that worst fears were not realized and all the preparation served as a good exercise to establish future response plans. Something like this, Morishige adds, has never happened before. "There is no model to follow - we are writing the roadmap as we go."

Prevention Not Dilution

Even without last year's tsunami, marine debris is an everyday problem not limited to the Pacific. "It didn't start with the Japan tsunami," Morishige says, "It's everyone's problem, no matter how land-locked you may be. There are always routes and ways for trash to get to the ocean."

The question of what will become of the tsunami debris points to the larger question of what happens to all the daily rubbish we produce - plastic shopping bags, toys, tires, disposable lighters, and larger objects that frequently end up in or near the water - rivers, beaches, the sea and even accumulating in the fish we eat. This should not be a problem "out of sight, out of mind." The greatest solution to marine debris, Morishige says, is not dilution; it's prevention.

Plastics didn't begin floating in the world's oceans until only the last century, and it wasn't until last March 11 that we saw how one enormous tsunami could suck this much man-made material out to sea in a single oceanic convulsion.

Even for those living far from a coastline, all too often our refuse finds its way into the sea carried by wind, flowing water, or other means. That waste, once it ends up in the ocean, floats and drifts or sinks.

Eventually, wind, waves and the sun break down debris into smaller and smaller pieces, but it never entirely disappears. Instead, it works its way into the food chain as tiny bits of glass, metal, fiber or petroleum-based nonorganic materials, swallowed by the ocean's birds and fish until it is, perhaps, one day eaten by unsuspecting diners in far away lands.

The larger problem of marine debris, whether resulting from a tsunami or not, is perhaps best illustrated by the case of "Shed Bird," a Laysan albatross which died as a result of ingesting a large amount of plastic junk in the ocean. Two professional photographers, who had been interacting with the bird before its death on Hawaii's Kure Atoll, famously photographed the contents of Shed Bird's stomach to highlight the impact our garbage has on the ocean and its wildlife.

There is a false notion that the ocean is like an enormous sponge which, given enough time, can absorb any amount of human debris.

But it isn't and it won't.
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Postby crikkett » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:11 am

^^^
The problem I am having is that there is another year maybe before the stuff reaches California. Why isn't anyone funding or organizing a scavenger fleet? Despite the first sentence, it seems that precious little "preparation" is actually happening.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:21 am

^^^^

all I can figure is that "they" "know" the world is going to end this year so why bother :P


on second thought maybe it's just that California is going to fall off the face of the earth...so why bother...look out Nevada..nobody cares about you :lol:
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:00 am

http://news.yahoo.com/radiation-detecte ... 35164.html

News from the mainstream (surprisingly):

Radiation detected 400 miles off Japanese coast

By BRIAN SKOLOFF and MALCOLM RITTER | Associated Press – 9 hrs ago

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Radioactive contamination from the Fukushima power plant disaster has been detected as far as almost 400 miles off Japan in the Pacific Ocean, with water showing readings of up to 1,000 times more than prior levels, scientists reported Tuesday.

But those results for the substance cesium-137 are far below the levels that are generally considered harmful, either to marine animals or people who eat seafood, said Ken Buesseler of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts.

He spoke Tuesday in Salt Lake City at the annual Ocean Sciences Meeting, attended by more than 4,000 researchers this week.

The results are for water samples taken in June, about three months after the power plant disaster, Buesseler said. In addition to thousands of water samples, researchers also sampled fish and plankton and found cesium-137 levels well below the legal health limit.

"We're not over the hump" yet in terms of radioactive contamination of the ocean because of continued leakage from the plant, Buesseler said in an interview before Tuesday's talk. He was chief scientist for the cruise that collected the data.

The ship sampled water from about 20 miles to about 400 miles off the coast east of the Fukushima plant. Concentrations of cesium-137 throughout that range were 10 to 1,000 times normal, but they were about one-tenth the levels generally considered harmful, Buesseler said.

Cesium-137 wasn't the only radioactive substance released from the plant, but it's of particular concern because of its long persistence in the environment. Its half-life is 30 years.

The highest readings last June were not always from locations closest to the Fukushima plant, Buesseler said. That's because swirling ocean currents formed concentrations of the material, he said.

Most of the cesium-137 detected during the voyage probably entered the ocean from water discharges, rather than atmospheric fallout, he added.

Hartmut Nies, of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said Buesseler's findings were not surprising, given the vastness of the ocean and its ability to absorb and dilute materials.

"This is what we predicted," Nies said after Buesseler presented his research.

Nies said the water's cesium-137 concentration has been so diluted that just 20 miles offshore, "if it was not seawater, you could drink it without any problems."

"This is good news," he said, adding that scientists expect levels to continue to decrease over time.

"We still don't have a full picture," Nies said, "but we can expect the situation will not become worse."


Insane level of double-speak here.

"The radiation contaminating our oceans and spreading everywhere is PERFECTLY SAFE!"

"Don't worry, you could DRINK this water, that's how safe it is with all this RADIATION in it!"

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Weather Balloons » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:14 pm

http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/02/toky ... chernobyl/
Tokyo is contaminated as the worst place in Chernobyl

The contamination level of Mizumoto Park turned out to be the same level of “off-limits zone” in Chernobyl.
The contamination level of the park was 23,300 Bq/Kg.
According to Nuclear Safety Commission, it is converted to be 1.4 ~1.5 million Bq/m2.

In Chernobyl, if the area is more contaminated than 1.48 million Bq/m2, it was labelled as off-limits zone, which was the worst level of the pollution.
Because cesium doesn’t choose Mizumoto park intentionally, at least some parts are contaminated as the worst area of Chernobyl.
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