Morgellons and "Body Bugs"

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Postby orz » Thu May 24, 2007 1:43 pm

Yep, however stuffy and hostile the "medical community" are, you'd think that a disease with such incredibly dramatic physical symptoms allow sufferers/campaigners to get somewhere further than just establishing an internet subculture about it.

However much "mainstream" scientists are supposedly "threatened" by this (why?) there must be some out there who would jump at the chance to solve this mystery and get the thing named after them???
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu May 24, 2007 4:23 pm

Yes, it is up to the misdiagnosed, disease-ridden sufferers to organize themselves into a powerful political lobby. Barring this, they must all be delusional.

The same principle applies to all those (formerly) delusional asbestos miners. It was only when they finally organized themselves politically after thousands had already died that their formerly spurious claims of employment-related illness became true.
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yea my sister had lupus

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 24, 2007 5:35 pm

1964

Doctors told her they didn't know what was wrong with her, gave her SPEED so she could work and raise her family. I guess she should have joined a club :roll:
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Postby orz » Thu May 24, 2007 5:44 pm

stickdog99 wrote:Yes, it is up to the misdiagnosed, disease-ridden sufferers to organize themselves into a powerful political lobby. Barring this, they must all be delusional.

The same principle applies to all those (formerly) delusional asbestos miners. It was only when they finally organized themselves politically after thousands had already died that their formerly spurious claims of employment-related illness became true.

I don't disagree with the point you're sarcastically making in the slightest, but my point still stands.
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu May 24, 2007 6:33 pm

orz wrote:
stickdog99 wrote:Yes, it is up to the misdiagnosed, disease-ridden sufferers to organize themselves into a powerful political lobby. Barring this, they must all be delusional.

The same principle applies to all those (formerly) delusional asbestos miners. It was only when they finally organized themselves politically after thousands had already died that their formerly spurious claims of employment-related illness became true.

I don't disagree with the point you're sarcastically making in the slightest, but my point still stands.


Your "point" stands?

Yep, however co-opted the "mainstream media" are, you'd think that a war so obviously based on lies would allow anti-war activists to get somewhere further than just establishing an internet subculture about it.

However much "mainstream" reporters are supposedly "threatened" by this (why?) there must be some out there who would jump at the chance to expose all these lies and win the Pulitzer prize???


Isn't that how it goes, orz? Debunking plug and play.
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Postby orz » Thu May 24, 2007 8:00 pm

Evil rubbish.
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Postby StarmanSkye » Fri May 25, 2007 1:11 am

There seems to be more than a curious, coincidental similiarity between Morgellens Disease and nanoparticles -- those micro-, super- and hyperfine particles involved in the exploding new field of nanotechnology, with actual or potential applications said to range from biology, medicine, toxicology, agriculture, engineering, machine repair, computers, to electronics, communication, spaceflight, materials handling, wastewater treatment, industrial processes/manufacturing, specialized coatings -- and dozens of other applications and new inventions not even discovered yet. Some nanotech boosters enthusiastically predict it will develop into a trillion dollar market.

Considering the many bizarre characteristics and properties associated with nanoparticles, ie. their extremely small size (from 1/80,000 to several times smaller than a human hair), acting on portions of DNA and RNA and ability to mutate them or trigger specific cellular functions, ability to duplicate Virons, creating special non-ordinary shapes and structures, exhibiting unique electromagnetic properties, there are many points of congruence with the organisms and symptoms associated with Morgellens Disease, ie. extremely small size, uniqueness, defying conventional Medical diagnosis with vague similiarity to parasites such as Malaria or to viral dieases as fibrosis, shingles, and MS, observed in the form of fibers, wires, cocoons or seedlike shells, and in several detailed tests shown to consist of silica and High Density Polyethelene Fiber (HDPV -- used to make fiber optics).

Initially I thought there might be a connection between Morgellens and the sheer numbers of nanoparticles being released without oversight or containment regulation from the many industrial and manufacturing businesses developing nanotechnology, from the computer industry to pharmaceuticals, chemical engineering, and agribusiness. I recall reading that under the Clinton Admin., the EPA was tasked with studying the problem and drawing up detailed regulations to contain the environmental effects of these ultra-small particles, which because of their extremely small size have enormous potential for polluting, poisoning and/or infecting all aspects of the living world. These suggested regulations, the basis for legislation, were among the first things the incoming Bush Administration scrapped -- a 'gift' to their Corporate clients, saving them billions in pollution curtailment and liability costs by passing them on to the public.

But then I read about present applications and processes that directly link to some of the properties and traits exhibited by the Morgellon disease. One reason doctors, scientists and agencies like the CDC may be mute and uninterested in taking Morgellens seriously is because of an active campaign to ignore, cover-up and deny the environmental and health hazards of unregulated nanoparticle pollution, and/or the very real dangers of nanotechnology getting 'loose' and mutating, adapting to and overwhelming living systems, including humans, the food supply and ecosystems.

Hmmm ... Wonder if there's a possible link between nanoparticles and bee colony die-off? Another form of nanoparticles is DU when it explodes, burns and vaporizes into superfine particles via military munitions -- its beta/alpha radiation and heavy metal poison is greatly potentiated by the extremely small size of its particles, tinier than a human blood cell, readily breathed-in or absorbed via contaminated food or water but then almost impossible to remove.

Among details below is one really scary thang -- a nanotech viral spray put on deli meats to control a rare Listeria bacteria, but that has the very real potential to infect human GI tracts and overwhelm our immune systems! Who the hell ARE these public 'Health' and 'safety' officials who blithely allow our food supply to be poisoned w/o rigorous tests insuring safety?
DAMN them all ...

I dunno the real deal on Morgellens, but I think its potentially serious enough to take a hard look at. It sure looks like the several thousand identified sufferers of it aren't just imagining their affliction. The danger of nanoparticles is definitely a big, serious public issue we need to be aware of.

It's getting harder and harder to identify the lies and dangers our public officials put us at risk of.
Ain't THAT a fitting symptom of our mass cultural schizophrenia?
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Other findings Dr. Staninger presented at the conference:
(same Doctor cited by Rocco33's post that did several sample studies)

1: The use of the biological pesticide Bacillus Thuringiensis for mosquito control in Santa Monica, California has caused a surfacing of syphilis in individuals who had some infected blood generational relative in the past that had syphilis, meaning either their mother or father had had syphilis before giving birth to the individual, passing off a DNA mutation of the virus to the child, and now these people are developing syphilis after being exposed to this pesticide.

2: 63 % of the patients diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) have a hidden lung worm, Cryptostronylus pulmoni cultured from their sputum.


FDA Approved New Virile Nano-Acuator Sprays For Foods - August, 2006.

The FDA-approved virile protein bacteria eaters that work on deli meats and other ready-to-eat foods in August, 2006. Food manufacturers started spraying this new nantechnology viruses on meats and vegetables in August 2006.

Intralytix Corporation, based in Baltimore, first petitioned the FDA in 2002 to allow the viruses to be used as an additive. It has since licensed the product to a multinational company, which is marketing the virus spray worldwide.

The viruses are known as bacteriophages, viruses that kill bacteria, or phages for short. Phages have been around a long time, living as parasites inside many bacteria.

Intralytix uses biotechnology to grow viral phages in a culture with Listeria, in theory teaching the viruses to recognize the bacteria. The FDA-approved cocktail contains six different viruses intended to attack one strain of bacteria.

This mixture is then sprayed on food. If Listeria is present in the food, the bacteria will ingest the viruses. This results in massive viral replication inside the bacteria, until such point as the bacteria simply bursts. This battle results in significant production of bacterial poisons called "endotoxins", as the bacteria tries to defend itself. When the bacteria burst, these endotoxins are released. These, along with the victorious live viruses, will now be on the food that will be eaten, ingested into the human body.

The stated goal of the new FDA-approved viruses is to kill a rare bacterium known as Listeria monocytogenes. This bacterium is killed by cooking; however, it poses a problem in meats that are cooked during processing and not cooked again prior to consumption, so it can readily infect foods such as deli meats.

The FDA and Intralytix would like us to believe that these viruses will only attack the specified bacteria they are intended to kill and will be harmless to humans. Wrong ! There is no way they can possibly guarantee such safety. Viruses such as HIV recognize human cells such a T-Cells and Natural Killer cells. The HIV virus attacks and destroys these human cells. Therfore, this new spray-on virus can potentially recognize normal bacterial cells in the human digestive tract and may be able to adapt to infect one or more of these friendly bacteria in the human colon.

The human immune system reacts directly to viral phages. Someone who eats a lot of processed deli meat is certain to evoke an immune reaction to the viruses. What will this reaction be? Allergy? Asthma? Autoimmunity? Cancer? How can the FDA approve a food additive that it knows can induce a variety of human immune responses? Phages, such as this viral spray is equipped to disrupt normal immunity that they are being considered for use as part of organ transplant medicine. What are these people thinking inventing these things?

Now Your Wondering? What Does This Have To Do With Morgellons Sufferers?


FDA, EPA and Nanotechnology

Nanotechnlogy is the ability to control things at an atomic and molecular scale of between one and 100 nanometers and has been met with enthusiasm across a variety of industries. Critics highlight the murky area of how nanoparticles affect toxicity and say nanoparticles should be treated as new, potentially harmful materials and tested for safety accordingly. (5)

Unlike pharmaceuticals, which must go through a series of pre-market approvals, finished dietary supplements need no pre-market approval. Under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), which is part of the Food and Cosmetic Act, only ingredients not marketed in the US before October 1994 must be approved by FDA before use in consumer products. Thus, as it stands, pre-market regulation of nanotechnology in dietary supplements, biological pesticides, and other man made nanotechnology does not fall under FDA, EPA, OSHA, FIFRA and other regulatory agencies in the USA, just for the simple reason that the nanotechnology is so small that the conventional regulatory laboratory methods do not have equipment to measure at 9 decimals below the zero and are only addressing 3 and 4 decimals (ppm, ppb, and ppt). " (Staninger, Dr. Hildegarde, ibid.)

The above is the "tip" of the iceberg. There are now many, many thousands of Moregellons victims across the globe. And the numbers are growing daily. The disease is "unknown" by the CDC, and was instructed by certain members of Congress last July to form a health team to immediately study the findings and report back to them. As yet, the CDC has not come to any conclusion as to what is causing Morgellons. However, some of the proof is in. More is on its way as this private research continues. Isn't it amazing how private individuals in the medical fields have to find the causes of such things as this, yet, the CDC is given billions of dollars by the government each year to operate? These tests, which cost in excess of $30,000, were paid for by private citizens to "find" the cause of Morgellons.

Please call, write, email your Congressman TODAY to issue an order to the FDA to halt the use of these genetically modified viral protein envelope "concoctions" on foods. This is a very serious matter. Please email your friends about this information and get your friends and family involved in writing your Congressman to halt this insidiuous assault on our food supply and our environment. Your call will help in preventing untold millions to suffer, you and your family included!
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hmm

Postby polymershapes » Fri May 25, 2007 4:27 am

Concerning that note about spraying phages on deli meat, I found this at the wikipedia entry for bacteriophage:

"Another use of bacteriophages is by the company Cambrios Technologies. Its founder, Dr. Angela Belcher, pioneered the use of the M13 bacteriophage to create nanowires and electrodes. She started her research by studying how abalone snails create their shells from things that naturally occur in their environment. Specifically, she discovered the snails take abalone and make them transform into two distinct crystalline structures. One of the structures was hard, the other was fast-growing. She took this concept and applied it to bacteriophages. One of her ventures consisted of implanting gold and cobalt oxide in a bacteriophage to create a paper-thin electrode. The gold was for conductivity. The cobalt oxide was for the actual use of the battery."
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Postby Sounder » Mon May 28, 2007 1:51 pm

What is it that is evil rubbish orz? That stickdog99 pointed out the plug and play nature of your argumentation?

Or maybe anything that does not conform to dominant representations is evil rubbish. Yeah, that's probably what you mean.
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Postby blanc » Mon May 28, 2007 1:57 pm

having people mess with the food chain undetected is scary. what happened to the idea that stuff had to be labelled to show what was in it?
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Postby marykmusic » Mon May 28, 2007 2:36 pm

Shoogie, I don't think you grasp how mentally debilitating it must be to have a series of doctors telling you that what you feel, what you think, what you see, is not real. And that you need anti-pychotic drugs.

The parricide used in cotton is an interesting angle. But it would have to somehow remain in one's clothing... the places where cotton is grown would surely have a higher incidence, if it weren't carried some other way.

I still believe in the chemtrail angle. And, of course, there may be more than one source. But whatever the real story is, someone must know it or there wouldn't be such a movement among the allopaths to ignore and refuse to treat it as a real disease. --MaryK
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Postby orz » Tue May 29, 2007 6:22 am

What is it that is evil rubbish orz? That stickdog99 pointed out the plug and play nature of your argumentation?

No.

Or maybe anything that does not conform to dominant representations is evil rubbish. Yeah, that's probably what you mean.

No.
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Postby robert d reed » Tue May 29, 2007 8:40 am

I think orz is saying that he doesn't see any particular need for the Morgellon's phenomenon to have a political dimension or a need for it to be suppressed- and that therefore, if it's a legitimate syndrome, then there should be at least some medical researchers following it up with verifiable data and results.

I think it's a mistake to presume a dimension of conspiracy and cover-up to every controversy, a priori.
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Postby orz » Tue May 29, 2007 10:54 am

Yep, something like that. More like I am saying i find it odd that a disease should require an internet subculture along similar lines to furries, otherkin, chemtrails, videogames, etc... But thinking about it, maybe that's just the form of internet communication these days. Maybe I'm wrong to think that such a subculture existing reflects badly on this being a genuine phenomenon?

Also it's a BIG mistake to view science, politics and journalism/media as working in an interchangable way... Certainly there's politics and dogma in science, but it's still science... If something is scientifically interesting then someone will study it, and if their science is good then it should be accepted... eventually!?
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Postby orz » Tue May 29, 2007 11:04 am

I just thought of a mental exercise:

Consider this: it is undoubtable that some of the people claiming to be suffering from Morgellons ARE insane and do not really have anything growing under their skin etc. and that some of the doctors thus dismissing the idea are doing so in good faith based on the patients they have seen.

Maybe just some, maybe many, maybe all. But definitely some.

Just a thought, put things into perspective, ...consider the individuals involved rather than artificial concepts like "the medical community" vs "morgellons"
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