Looking Back, What Was YOUR 'Holy Sh*t!' Moment of Truth

[greencrow0]

April 17/18 2002 when I heard over the radio that the Canadian Soldiers stationed in Afghanistan had been fired on by US planes. I knew immediately that it was on orders from the highest levels in the White House.

An intensive search of the evidence over the next few months did nothing to disuade me from that intuitive conclusion.

gc

[Joe Hillshoist]

for me it was getting hammered by Victoria's finest uniformed goons when the WEF came to town in 2000. That 50 odd resolutely nonviolent blockaders could be stomped into the ground merely to allow timely access to a conference junket was a reality check. That the operation was careful planned and executed to a. avoid any footage for tv and b. not give the coppers involved any choice or discretion in the assault was just icing on the cake. Small in the scheme of things, but very educational personally.

Man my brother was there.

He ended up in hospital after that episode.

I was being a big wuss and hiding in the hills back then.

Here's their badge, notice the upside down 5 pointed star. The Victorian coppers are Satanists.



But I was a Richmond High back in 93...

[judasdisney]

On December 12, 2000, when the Supreme Court of the U.S. stopped a vote count. When the media suppressed all questions and voices of dissent or anguish. When the justification for stopping a vote count was expediency and the sake of an "election timetable." When I travelled to the Seattle Federal Building and waited in the rain on the nights of December 12 and December 13, and nobody else showed up.

When a Constitutional Crisis was ignored & unrecognized by the citizens, and denied by the legislators and the victim of the crime itself, the candidate Gore.

When the media quickly moved along to another topic within less than 24 hours, artificially and despite the profound nature of what had just happened.

When September 11 happened, I was already familiar with the first September 11, Chile's September 11. And the similarity of the events on that day were a clear parallel, along with the Reichstag Fire similarity, upon the "striking of the Pentagon."

When September 11 happened, there had already been 8 months of movement toward fascism.

When September 11 happened, it was merely the fruition of December 12, 2000.

When September 18 happened, and Bush had a "90% Approval Rating" but I was one of the 10% (and more likely, one of the 1% who experienced a bizarre, disorienting sensation of being enveloped & submerged into a Bizarro-World narrative of utter falsehood and the "New Narrative" founded upon the "fact" that we were "under attack"), I expected the sweep of fascism to transform the U.S. much more rapidly than it has. Because clearly the nation was ready.

But when September 20 happened, and the "Anthrax Attacks" targeted only Democrats, I would have not expected the population to forget everything about it.

But when the Latin American coups of the 1970s finally manifest in the U.S. and the "Anthrax Attacks Foreshadowing" finally comes to fruition, and the Democratic legislators and executive are slain in one sweeping event, and the New Constitution is ratified, and the New Congress is hand-picked, and the New Era begins ("It's Morning In America"), the Anthrax Attacks will no longer be much of a surprise or a novelty.

[trachys]

Wombat, you mean the FTAA protest? I had some moments there, too .. say, whatever happened to all the momentum we had going in 2001? Organized resistance, demands for social justice, increasingly louder and more effective?

Oh yeah ...

[MASONIC PLOT]

What happened?

They just put more flouride in the water. Simple fix. Its a sedative.

[AlicetheKurious]

The past 6 years have been jam-packed with "Oh sh*t! Oh f*ck!" epiphanies for me. Never a dull moment. But one that really stands out, was when I was watching CNN just after the invasion of Afghanistan, and some military guy was being interviewed about the Daisy Cutter and what it does.

It was really Twilight Zone for me, because he was almost obscene in the utter p-l-e-a-s-u-r-e he exuded, describing how all human and animal life in a certain radius would be incinerated, but that it would "create terror" in a much wider circle than that. I was stunned, and wondered if I was hallucinating. This guy was openly excited, in a reptilian way, anticipating with relish the slaughter of poor, helpless people. When the anchorpersons went back on, I kept searching their vapid, inappropriate smiles, to find some clue that they'd seen what I saw. Nothing. That shocked me even more, I think. That was one of the first moments I realized that we're not in Kansas any more, Toto.

[blanc]

salutations to all you bright people who didn't, as I did so many times, re-adjust your blinkers when 'reality' got a little disjointed and something else was oozing thro the cracks. I had to know that it had happened to me, that they'd waged war on me and mine, before I finally opened my eyes wide.

[Seamus OBlimey]

The first big head turner for me was reading A Series of Shock Slogans and Mindless Token Tantrums swiftly followed by the Miners Strike then the Battle of the Beanfield

But it may have started with When the boat comes in. Since then it hasn't stopped spinning.

[LilyPatToo]

blanc said it for me, too--now, when I look back on all the 'blinkers adjustments' that it took before I finally overcame my programming and Woke Up, I'm appalled and embarrassed. It wasn't that I didn't have many, many incremental wakenings, but that my survival instinct would kick in again and again and I'd feel this subtle "click" of adjustment to the new, terrrible knowledge, so that I could survive.

My friends on the Left see me as someone who began to wake up way back as a teenager, when I rebelled against my staunchly Republican family and volunteered as a teen to work for Kennedy. But they're seeing it wrong--it wasn't a true full awakening at all. It was a tiny, almost instantly compromised one.

But after many decades of them, I finally became able to discern enough of the Big Picture that it amounts to a true Awakening at last. And maybe, for someone like me, that in itself is amazing progress. I'm just glad I've found the online community and now have access to such a wealth of suppressed information. I now perceive my Lefty friends being deep in denial and criminally naive. And I haven't been able to penetrate their willful denial at all, which worries me a lot

LilyPat

[blanc]

yeah Seamus, miners strike was one of those blinker adjustment moments for me. hearing the tv commentator talking over shots of police piling in to a group of apparently stationary, pacific miners, describing the strikers' violence. I thought "EH? words and pictures don't match", but got back on with my own troubles/concerns. laughable now I know what Thatcher was covering up with her showy standing up to unions and no-one having a right to a job for life screen. wonder how the name thatcher came about btw if no-one should have the rightto a job for life

[kermujin]

LilyPatToo, I'm with you there. Everyone around me always considered me to be awake and aware. I was far more politically and actively involved from my early teens on than anyone else around me.

But for me, too, that was a partial wakefulness. I had a double moment. The first was September 11th, I remember saying (a) where the f*ck is the air force and (b) there is NO WAY any country has done this. When I saw the WTC7 building come down, it became very, very hard to ignore the inside-job rhinoceros that was banging around in the front of my brain.

The second, where it all neatly fell into place (inasmuch as that can be), was when I was proofreading 'The Party's Over.' That was about 20 hours of holy f*ck moments.

The party really was over, for me. Now I sometimes wish I'd never wandered down this hall.

kermujin

[JD]

Kermujin, you proofread Heinburg's "The Party's Over"?

Very interesting.

Are you associated with Heinburg, or were you associated with the publisher?

There's a big thread somewhere in the archives about Heinburg. Would be interesting to get your take on it if you have a personal association.

[kermujin]

Hi JD,
I'm the managing editor at his publishing house. At the time, I was a contractor, and proofed TPO and edited Powerdown, before the job got too big for me to do much actual editing.
I adore him, and I don't use these words lightly!
I think I was still mostly lurking when that thread was around. And I'm always nervous about endorsing our authors without being very clear that I have a vested interest in their success, and their messages.
Now that the vested interest cat's outta the bag, though, I've got some great recommendations if you're interested!
Cheers,
kermujin

[JD]

I think a lot of folks here really shat upon Heinburg as I remember. Interesting to hear from someone who knows him.

I recognize the reality of Peak Oil but am not going to pick a date for it. Too many variables and moving parts to get the answer within a decade or so. So why bother predicting? It'll come.

I'm also not Peak Oil Doomster person, or a POD person as I call them. I think that we can use approaches like those suggested by Amory Lovins
http://www.rmi.org/ to ensure that we don't have widepread famine or disruption due to peak oil, and that we can bridge to renewables.

But, then I'm just a petroleum engineer, so what would I know about petroleum LOL? ( Note - you've probably observed on all the discussion about peak oil tht there are many people who seem to know so much about the world's remaining hydrocarbon resources, all learned via the "alternative knowledge" section of the internet! LOL )

I've never read Heinburg; my recollection of scanning the thread is that people were essentially calling him a nazi or some such damned thing. (Note - a lot of people accuse others of that pretty easily around here. Must have seen Raiders of the Lost Ark a few too many times as children.) What was your take on that whole thing? Was he proposing a big "die off" or some such unsavory action to cure peak oil woes?

Speaking of proof reading Peak Oil books, that Matt Simmons book "Twilight in the Desert" needed a SERIOUS proof read by a geologist and a petroleum engineer. And it didn't get one and got published ridden with errors and bad assertions. That's earned it a lot of serious laughs by professionals in the field; Simmons doesn't understand the technical bits very well. He misuses the jargon to an embarrassing extent. Directionally he is correct in the form of Saudi Arabia being close to peak, but the book would have been so much better with some help from technical professionals.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Holy Shit Seamus you are right.

When the Boat comes in did it for me.

Talk about dissassociation, now I've got that song running through my head for the first time in about 30 years.

Urrggghhhhh