Devil worship links to mystery man (Guardian)

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We need the conspiracists who follow the Vatican to weigh in on this one. Are there any here? I posted this at the Unhived Mind. They're really into the Catholics.

[Sepka]

Three days earlier, on March 16, the owner of a bedsit outside Bergamo, more than 70 miles away, had broken into her flat. The tenant had not paid his rent and she wanted to know if he was still there.

She found signs everywhere that it had been used for a Satanic rite. There were upturned crosses, and the place was smothered with symbols written in blood.

Something curious: Red Hand silhouettes are appearing all over Bergamo this spring.

http://rozault.com/Italy2006/bergamo/so ... _0417.html

http://www1.flickr.com/photos/20541056@N00/386908973/

[11:11]

Is that the old Red Brigades, Sepka?

[Jeff]

I remembered that "Beasts of Satan" story, thought it was from your blog and it was but you didn't write it. The Fearless Vampire Killers, first comment.

Thanks jingofever. Embarrassed I missed that. I need a break more than I'd thought.

[Sepka]

Is that the old Red Brigades, Sepka?

The Red Brigades used a star:

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/it-poli6.html#br

from 'Political Flags of Italy':

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/it-poli6.html

[Truth4Youth]

Jeff, or anyone else for that matter, is it just me or is Italy a hotbed for SRA/Satanism? Anyone recall the "Monster of Florence" case?

Monster of Florence may still be alive


Serial killings of 1968-1985 may have been masterminded by society figures in an occult group

Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday August 8, 2001
The Guardian


Police in Italy have reopened inquiries into the Monster of Florence case, the serial killings that inspired the creation of Hannibal Lecter. The people of Tuscany had thought the story was over - the last victims were killed 16 years ago while the "monster" alleged to have murdered them died in 1998. But yesterday detectives in Florence said there were new suspects for the murder and mutilation of eight couples between 1968 and 1985.

Police now believe that a group of between 10 and 12 wealthy, sophisticated Italians orchestrated ritualised murders over the course of three decades and got away with it, allowing their careers and reputations to blossom to this day.
Detectives who were tipped off by a series of anonymous letters are questioning a key witness and have sent magistrates a file which is believed to name some of the suspects, including a doctor and an artist.

The sect's requirements were precise: night-time executions of courting couples followed by mutilation with the help of a .22 Beretta revolver and a surgical knife.

Pietro Pacciani, an illiterate farm labourer, was convicted in 1994 of seven of the eight double killings. The conviction was overturned and he was awaiting a new trial when he died. Despite his denials few doubted that the stocky Tuscan, who in his youth had murdered a travelling salesman by stabbing him and stamping on him, was indeed the Monster of Florence.

A month before his death two friends, Mario Vanni and Giancarlo Lotti, were convicted and jailed for helping to kill the couples, and were sentenced to life and 26 years respectively.

Case closed, it seemed.

But some investigators were uneasy. There were unexplained factors and leads that were not followed up. How, for instance, had Pacciani saved more than £50,000 and bought two houses? What did he do with his bloody trophies? Who was the mysterious doctor Lotti referred to in court as the man who ordered the jobs?

The novelist Thomas Harris, sitting in on the original hearings, seemed to share suspicions that a society figure had masterminded the gore and so made his fictional killer, Hannibal Lecter, a psychiatrist.

The head of Florence's detective force, Michele Giuttari, believed Pacciani was too sloppy to have planned the crimes. They started in August 1968 when Antonio Lo Bianco, 29, and Barbara Locci, 32, were shot in their car. A pattern was set: it was always a moonless night on a weekend in an isolated lane.

The Germans Horst Meyer and Uwe Rusch Sens were murdered in woods near Galluzo in September 1983. One had long hair and may have been thought to be a woman. The last couple, French, were slain in September 1985 as they camped in a vineyard near the village of Scopeti.

Detectives have found evidence of what they believe was an occult group which directed the three peasants, Pacciani, Vanni and Lotti (who were known collectively as the peeping toms because of their nocturnal ramblings) to commit the murders.

Pacciani and Vanni were also alleged to have participated in black masses which used female body parts at the house of a supposed wizard in San Caciano, a popular tourist destination because of its Romanesque Pisan church. Nurses at a clinic which hired Pacciani as a gardener claimed that he told them a doctor presided at other satanic ceremonies.

A Swiss artist, now being questioned by police, was allegedly part of the group. After he left the area in 1997, police found drawings of mutilated women and newspaper cuttings of Pacciani's trial in the artist's farmhouse.

The investigating magistrate, Paolo Canessa, believed Pacciani's heart attack in February 1998 was triggered by drugs to silence him, lest he reveal the real monster, or monsters.

Fetishists


Detectives made little progress until a few months ago when a series of anonymous letters, containing details about the killings that had never been made public, revealed that a woman in Genoa had useful information.

Although she was described in letters but not actually named, she was tracked down last week to an apartment shared with her sister. Italian media suggested she was one of the prostitutes that Pacciani visited during trips to Genoa's red light district in the 1980s. Detectives are checking why the last letter was intercepted and opened by someone in the police station.

Massimo Introvigne, a religious historian who helped police in the original inquiry and advised the FBI, told the newspaper La Repubblica that Tuscany, which partly inspired the poet Dante to write his classic about the inferno, had a long tradition of sorcery. He said American anthropologists noted a phenomenon of medieval chants and invocation of the devil in the 19th century. "There are elements that make the [police] hypothesis possible. Experience teaches us that deviant groups do exist," said Professor Introvigne.

He stressed that occult sects were not necessarily satanists and that the ritual nature of the murders suggested fetishists were to blame.

Magistrates must now decide whether to seek prosecutions for those named in the police file.

Why Hannibal went to Tuscan capital

One of the visitors to the Florence court spellbound by the 1992 trial of Pietro Pacciani was the novelist Thomas Harris.

The true tale of serial killers who shot and mutilated courting couples in Tuscany caught his imagination.

Not just for its horror but because of the suspicion that Pacciani was not the real Monster of Florence but a pawn who acted on the orders of a powerful high society figure, possibly a doctor or surgeon.

Harris was inspired to locate his third novel, Hannibal, in the Tuscan capital, and echoes of the real life case reverberated during filming of the novel in Florence last year.In the fictional story, Lecter (played by Sir Anthony Hopkins) escapes from custody in the US and resurfaces as the custodian of the Capponi library, with all the refinement and homicidal impulses attributed to the suspected "real" monster.

Politicians and locals objected to the filming on the grounds that Florence's reputation had been sullied enough by the murders without being used as the setting for Hannibal's appetites.

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So, what or what does the red hand signify?

No surprise about Italy. Being the seat of the Vatican, they are steeped in creepy cult shit. If you believe Malachi Martin, the Vatican is full of Satanists, and black masses.

[Sepka]

So, what or what does the red hand signify?

It's a mystery to me. I just mentioned it because of Bergamo. The only Red Hands that I'm familiar with are Irish Loyalists. I can't imagine that the Ulster situation excites much passion in the Italian Alps.

I did Google up a "Red Hand" group against child soldiers ( http://www.redhandday.org ) but their symbol bears the outline of a soldier in the red hand, plus they consistently use one hand for their symbol, not two. Their website shows no activity in Italy, anyway. On top of all that, they just don't strike me as the type to vandalize someone else's property - they look like the sort who would be very image-conscious.

[philipacentaur]

I can't say what it means for sure, but I think the word "RESISTE" in that one photo indicates some sort of generic progressive/anarchist sloganeering.

[Sepka]

I can't say what it means for sure, but I think the word "RESISTE" in that one photo indicates some sort of generic progressive/anarchist sloganeering.

I wondered. The hands look like brushed stencils, and the word like spraypaint. I'm not sure they're by the same person.

[11:11]

Are they resisting Satanic Ritual Abuse? Seems far out, but who knows?

[philipacentaur]

I can't say what it means for sure, but I think the word "RESISTE" in that one photo indicates some sort of generic progressive/anarchist sloganeering.

I wondered. The hands look like brushed stencils, and the word like spraypaint. I'm not sure they're by the same person.

You think? They both look like the same color spraypaint to me, but it's hard to tell at that resolution. Also, it looks like the word continues beneath that open door. That image on Flickr does look brushed. I wonder if this is as cryptic to the locals...

[Sepka]

http://slowtalk.com/groupee/forums/a/tp ... 3651096902 has a brief discussion of the issue. One poster says the locals claimed it was non-political graffiti.

http://www.artissoftware.de/bergamo/large-1.html has some better pictures. They are indeed spray-painted.

http://www3.flickr.com/photos/58945241@N00/285535608/ claims it's an anti-war protest.

[blanc]

it is perfectly possible that he was bled slowly over a period, the blood being saved - or that he did this himself. (have just blanked on name of sculptor who presented a head of his own frozen blood - er whatsisname).
satanic practices that I have heard of have included a variey of means which don't make 3 litres seem impossible. As always, there can be several explanations - including that of a lonely disturbed person doing things himself in immitation of stuff he's read about. satanic and ritual abuse groups have been reported existing in Italy, in organised fashion . organised ra groups tend not to leave loose ends and loose canons and tend to have premises - unless they want to make a point or cause a distraction or get someone to remove themselves in a wacky manner as a double bluff.

[Horatio Hellpop]

So, what or what does the red hand signify?

It's a mystery to me. I just mentioned it because of Bergamo. The only Red Hands that I'm familiar with are Irish Loyalists. I can't imagine that the Ulster situation excites much passion in the Italian Alps.

I did Google up a "Red Hand" group against child soldiers ( http://www.redhandday.org ) but their symbol bears the outline of a soldier in the red hand, plus they consistently use one hand for their symbol, not two. Their website shows no activity in Italy, anyway. On top of all that, they just don't strike me as the type to vandalize someone else's property - they look like the sort who would be very image-conscious.

Hey Sepka - first of all they are British loyalists, they are loyal to Britain and often do not like to be called Irish. Secondly, the region you talk about is in Ulster but it is not called Ulster, it's called Northern Ireland and it's an abirtrary and artifical country created so that the once great British empire could save a little face.