Women of the world, take over

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Postby marmot » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:29 pm

yesferatu wrote:I do not think it is a matter of woman being immune to the pitfalls of power in the way men are. It is just they are cut off from the reins of power in the entrenched rite of initiation to that power, in the numbers that men have monopolized....due to the patriarchal religious eon that swept the planet.

But if women had the power, below is an example of the women who would weild it, in no remarkably dissimilar way than the asshole men who do so now. It would just be asshole women.

I think this subscription to women being eminently superior to men in ethics is complete new age faux-goddess bullshit.

This is just one example:

http://detain-this.blogspot.com/2007/06 ... takes.html

There are tons of these bitches who would take the reins of power in the same evil, manipulative, racist, psychopathic, sociopathic, destructive, hell-bent methods as their male counterparts.

Let's get real. They are the worlds niggers now only because of the patriarchal, neurotically demiurgic currents that recognize physical strength as the only political system, regardless of what -ism it comes packaged in.


Contra FourthBase, I tend to agree with you yesferatu...
Honestly FB, why you being so pissy?
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Postby FourthBase » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:36 pm

Because I'm tired of every thread being an argument. I just want to discuss this with people who understand what I'm talking about, without having someone come in and say "your entire premise is bullshit". I'm fucking TIRED OF IT.
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Postby FourthBase » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:40 pm

bubblefunk wrote:Better yet - close this one too! Request denied!

People think you're wrong but you don't want to hear what they have to say, no matter how respectfully they say it.


I don't actually care if people think I'm wrong.
Every fucking thread here turns into "You're wrong!"

I've sent a PM to Jeff about this general problem.
If it's not resolved, I'm going to visit this forum very infrequently.
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Postby bubblefunk » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:42 pm

But that's not how it works. Surely you've seen that by now (here and everywhere). You're not looking for understanding, you're looking for agreement.

If you want agreement, you start your own forum, invite people, hope for the best, ban those who don't agree, and take your lumps. If you want understanding, you take it from those who offer it and let them help you make your point.
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Postby FourthBase » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:45 pm

bubblefunk wrote:But that's not how it works. Surely you've seen that by now (here and everywhere). You're not looking for understanding, you're looking for agreement.

If you want agreement, you start your own forum, invite people, hope for the best, ban those who don't agree, and take your lumps. If you want understanding, you take it from those who offer it and let them help you make your point.


Ummm, no.
Go fuck yourself.
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Postby bubblefunk » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:46 pm

and, there you have it.
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:01 am

Here's the PM:

From: FourthBase
To: Jeff
Posted: 20 Oct 2007 22:33
Subject: Every thread turns into an argument
And I'm not just talking about the ones I lose my temper in, lol, I'm talking about every thread. Now I know argument and debate and "agon" is healthy and productive. But so is the occasional discussion among like-minded people, which is IMPOSSIBLE on this site. Discussions amongst friends in a living room over a bong and a bottle of wine...think of how many great conversations people have in that kind of environment. There's some debate, sure -- but so much of the talk is people who fundamentally agree on premises helping each other figure shit out, not constantly correcting and bickering and drowning out each other. Have you thought anymore about subforums where you'd schedule restricted access for an invited group of posters depending on the subject? Nothing hidden or out of sight, for everyone to see, but only a select few to contribute to. Fuck the charges of elitism that would be sure to follow, the proof will be in the pudding, i.e., great threads, lively threads, threads that last for a long time but amazingly don't wind up in a pissing match between two loudmouths. You feeling me Jeff? Is that setup possible?


Working in an office or sitting in a quad or sitting around a dinner table, it's possible for a group of people to talk with each other about something they generally agree about. If somebody walks by and butts in and says "I completely disagree" and goes on to argue that the premise of the conversation is bullshit...then the group of people have the freedom to walk away and resume the conversation elsewhere or another time, or worst case scenario say "Get lost asshole, we're having a conversation" and shoo the arguer away. That's not possible here (or on any internet forum I guess). What I'm proposing is a way to make it possible, to allow for a conversation other than a balls-out argument over everything including the basics of a subject. Maybe it's a radical idea, I don't know. I think not, though, since it's basically just the forum version of a roundtable discussion that we see "distinguished" people get to participate in all the time. This thread was the last fucking straw for me. Instead of being able to talk about this subject with the several people here who I'm sure agree with me more or less, and have an evolving conversation that would probably include the same exceptions and points of argument but without the total disavowal of the validity of the entire fucking subject...I'm trapped by the trappings of a "public forum" and forced to respond to people I have no interest in discussing this with, which severely limits if not precludes the kind of discussion I wanted.
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Postby harflimon » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:02 am

Hey FourthBase; Fuck you too. Go ahead and talk to yourself if you can't handle conversation.

P.S. You got any example of when power was overthrown by peace?
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Postby harflimon » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:05 am

helping each other figure shit out, not constantly correcting and bickering and drowning out each other.


Your the only one bickering and trying to drown other people out in this thread. I wasn't correcting anyone I just threw my opinion in there. All you did was quote me and tell me I'm wrong. Well Fuck you buddy. If that's how you talk to friends with a bong I'm glad I'm not there.
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:08 am

harflimon wrote:Hey FourthBase; Fuck you too. Go ahead and talk to yourself if you can't handle conversation.


Go suck a rancid donkey cock, imbecile.

P.S. You got any example of when power was overthrown by peace?


Wow. Are you fucking serious?
Or are you a provocateur?

I can't do this "general discussion" thing anymore.
I'll tend to my Sports and Scientology threads, make a rare comment.
Other than that, the General Discussion board can kiss my ass.
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:10 am

harflimon wrote:
helping each other figure shit out, not constantly correcting and bickering and drowning out each other.


Your the only one bickering and trying to drown other people out in this thread. I wasn't correcting anyone I just threw my opinion in there. All you did was quote me and tell me I'm wrong. Well Fuck you buddy. If that's how you talk to friends with a bong I'm glad I'm not there.


Wrong, asswipe.

They are the key to a non-existent door. That's not a diss on women, just my opinion on peaceful overthrowing. You can't overthrow something peacefully.

The only way I see there being a peaceful outcome to this is if we antiquate the PTB. Or as some would like to say we need to "evolve" past them. Move so far forward in such a short time that we leave them holding onto worthless concepts. Leave them with power over things that don't matter anymore. And that isn't something that just women OR just men could do. It's something we would all have to do. It's possible, but unlikely of an outcome. Still I love hope.
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Postby harflimon » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:42 am

I'm sorry you took that as some aggressive swipe at your topic. But I did put "just my opinion on peaceful overthrowing"

Maybe you want me to put IMO in front of every fucking sentence.


P.S. Is there that many examples that you can't think of one? Wow maybe I am fucking serious. And outside of Ghandi lining up his people to die outside a salt mine, there HAS NOT been very many effective peaceful overthrows of power. And Ghandi didn't so much overthrow power as he overthrew a colonial power and let the locals fight it out. Which if you might recall turned into a civil war as the two religions had a mass exodus and now we have Pakistan and India... both countries that hate each other.
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Postby yesferatu » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:27 am

Sorry for my opinion FB. Calm down.

IF women were in power globally, WOULD it be a better planet? It depends on who the women in power are - individuals.....you know the old line: Why should I hate people based on their race, when there are so many reasons to hate them on a one-to-one basis. That is true with race, it is true with gender.

Why should I give the archetype of The Goddess some non-existent political reality, when there is no reason to ascribe The Goddess to politics and power structures? That is nothing more than the impulse of Literalism, that scourge of all religious impulse, to profane the sacred.

I mean, unless you really believe women are controlled by some group spirit of Goddess influx, there is absolutely no good reason to think individual women in power would create a better world.

My guess is if women were in ubiquitous leadership roles globally, we would be pining for the archetype of The Noble Knight and why the shitty world we find ourselves in would be a better place if Wise, Strong Man could just be given the opportunity for leadership.

Archetypes don't make their way into the Black Iron Prison except as archetypes. It's why "Reality" sucks.
And why it will continue to do so. Regardless of any Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs tennis matches.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:36 am

FourthBase wrote:
harflimon wrote:Hey FourthBase; Fuck you too. Go ahead and talk to yourself if you can't handle conversation.


Go suck a rancid donkey cock, imbecile.

P.S. You got any example of when power was overthrown by peace?


Wow. Are you fucking serious?
Or are you a provocateur?

I can't do this "general discussion" thing anymore.
I'll tend to my Sports and Scientology threads, make a rare comment.
Other than that, the General Discussion board can kiss my ass.


Fourthbase, you know the rules about calling people provocateurs.

You've eclipsed me as forum hothead by a couple degrees of magnitude this week. Go dig a hole and bury your angst in it and please refrain from the back alley street fighting thing. I can play that game just as well as you can, but this just isn't the place for it. Has it occurred to you that you might be foul mouthing women here? Kinda funny you have a thread asking them to take over and then bludgeon everyone in sight..
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Postby FourthBase » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:09 am

Ugh. I'll pretend I still care.

IF women were in power globally, WOULD it be a better planet? It depends on who the women in power are - individuals.....you know the old line: Why should I hate people based on their race, when there are so many reasons to hate them on a one-to-one basis. That is true with race, it is true with gender.


Right. I know. Pretty sure I already acknowledged that.

Where you're coming up with the "Goddess" stuff, I have no idea.

Human nature predates Western industrial societies.
Women, in general, are more empathetic.
Empathy leads to a moral conscience.
This is, like, anthropologically-based.
And chemicals in the brain, etc.

...Didn't realize that wasn't commonly accepted knowledge.

Societies, communities, villages led by women have been generally far more peaceful and egalitarian. Forget modern Western societies "led" a token figurehead like Thatcher, forget a mere transferral of power from the pigs to their power-hungry and politically-identical wives. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about #1 - women in the general populace deciding enough is enough and #2 - those women coming into power and there being a reversal of gender demographics throughout the entire hierarchy of government and business. When I say, "enough is enough" do I actually think a revolution like this could take place anytime soon, in short order? Fuck no.

In fact, I recognize some of the same flaws in this scenario as the people who think the whole notion is full of shit. I referenced it in the ytmnd.com page, if anyone bothered to view that link. Because of the way evolution works, women who mate with assholes are likely to have inherited an attraction to assholes from their asshole-loving mothers, and are likely to pass that same attraction down to their daughters. It's a feedback cycle. Laura Bush is a woman, yes. But she's a woman who is propagating the asshole race. She not only gives birth to another asshole himself, but an asshole-loving daughter, and on and on. In some perverse way what I'm saying is...well, I'm indirectly blaming women for the shitty state of the world, because women keep letting assholes impregnate them, and those assholes go on to rape the world. Not only that, but the asshole-loving daughters share much of the same asshole DNA as their brothers and fathers, and despite their inherent biological differences that provide a foundation for better moral judgment (their femaleness) they can and often do turn into equally loathesome assholes.

(Doodad is right, alas - I've got an anal fixation, :lol: )

Anyway, that's still in the realm of ruthless power elite bloodlines. Which is its own quasi-human race. I'm talking about the general population. Yes, soccer moms. Perfect. Soccer moms should rule the world. But what's happened is that they (like much of the country) have been deluded and intimidated into supporting the tyrants. But on their own, in a vacuum, without having been whipped into a selfish, aggressive state of mind by our mind-controlling media culture...if forced to run the affairs of the state I'm guessing they would make excellent judges of what ought to be.

Anyway, short term it would take quite a fucking collective mind-blowing of the average American housewife to accomplish anything, to shake them out of their stupor and turn them against the PTB with the same intense hatred they have for child predators and thieves and murderers...which is what the PTB are, after all. Long term it would take a successful worldwide campaign to make the vampire-like characteristics of the PTB profoundly unattractive to women who aren't already pre-disposed to like those characteristics. To just stop the PTB, or anyone who would take their place to work the same evil, from reproducing. To cockblock the PTB.

Who's with me?

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