The OTO & The CIA -- Ordis Templis Intelligentis

[vanlose kid]

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[lightningBugout]

From the same source, there are also a few reports of teenage boys who reported (to the police) that they had been raped during rituals at Parsons' abbey.

[American Dream]

nathan28 wrote:

AD, isn't the argument in Ultimate Evil that the process and the Solar Temple were cover-ups?

I don't have a copy of The Ultimate Evil, though I have read it. As I recall, the heaviest focus is on the Process spin-off called 4Pi, as representing an underground criminal network involved with mind control, assassination, animal sacrifice and other such activity.

I believe that Brayton's Solar Lodge is mentioned, but is less central to Terry's book. The linkage from the Solar Lodge to Manson was first made by Ed Sanders in The Family. My sense is that there is indeed some sort of linkage there but it may not represent the key to understanding the Manson crimes.

What"s most important in all of this is the probable fusion of intelligence agencies with underground criminal cults, in furtherance of mind control agenda and other criminal activities.

[nathan28]

nathan28 wrote:

AD, isn't the argument in Ultimate Evil that the process and the Solar Temple were cover-ups?

I don't have a copy of The Ultimate Evil, though I have read it. As I recall, the heaviest focus is on the Process spin-off called 4Pi, as representing an underground criminal network involved with mind control, assassination, animal sacrifice and other such activity.

I believe that Brayton's Solar Lodge is mentioned, but is less central to Terry's book. The linkage from the Solar Lodge to Manson was first made by Ed Sanders in The Family. My sense is that there is indeed some sort of linkage there but it may not represent the key to understanding the Manson crimes.

What"s most important in all of this is the probable fusion of intelligence agencies with underground criminal cults, in furtherance of mind control agenda and other criminal activities.

I haven't read it, I've just heard Dave Emory talk and talk and talk and talk about it. more later?

[LilyPatToo]

AD mentioned:

I don't have a copy of The Ultimate Evil, though I have read it. As I recall, the heaviest focus is on the Process spin-off called 4Pi, as representing an underground criminal network involved with mind control, assassination, animal sacrifice and other such activity.

Somehow, I'd never heard of them before, so I Googled the term plus various keywords, but came up with pages and pages of completely unrelated dreck, which I don't have time to sift through right now. Do you happen to have any links to specific info on 4Pi? One of my interests is in tracing the underground routes taken by information derived from the government mind control programs and this sounds like it might be one of them. Or perhaps it was operating in parallel with them and drawing from some of the same deep wells...?

LilyPat

[American Dream]

It would have been easier to find if I had listed it as "Four Pi Movement", which I think is the proper name.

Anyway, here is what is perhaps the best single article on the web for information on the 4P's: Rigorous Intuition: "Hope you guess my name"

If you're interested to find out more detailed information about these concerns, then getting a copy hold of The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry may be helpful. I think the later editions have added material.

[thurnundtaxis]

via boingboing

Video teaser for new book: The Inside Story of the Process Church

The Process Church of the Final Judgment was an odd, dark religious group that formed in the 1960s, gaining attention through celebrity associates like Marianne Faithful, Mick Jagger, and Funkaedelic. In the next month or so, Feral House will release a book about the strange cult,"Love, Sex, Fear, Death: The Inside Story of The Process Church of the Final Judgment," written by former member Timothy Wyllie, and fringe culture chronicler Adam Parfrey. Adam emailed me, "What's amazing is that the true story stunned me, and goes against the usual press, conspiratorial or not, about the group. Genesis P-Orridge assisted a great deal in the creation of this book, and he contributed an excellent piece about how The Process Church affected the creation of The Temple ov Psychick Youth (TOPY). William Morrison of Skinny Puppy put this teaser together. He's also working on a full-length feature documentary about The Process." Love, Sex, Fear, Death: The Inside Story of The Process Church of the Final Judgment

[American Dream]

This may well be a topic for its own dedicated thread, but I'd be curious to hear from those of us here who are more supportive of the Thelemic/Processian or otherwise "Satanic" end of the occult spectrum: Why?

What is the value that you find in this? And how does it affect your relationship to the clearly sadistic and/or destructive occultism that I am focusing on here?

[thurnundtaxis]

Hey AD, I'm equally creeped out by some aspects of the so-called right handed path as well. Check out this psychedelic dolphin/angel/ufo hybrid philosophy from former Process member and editor of the upcoming book on the cult soon to be released by Feral House:

I feel that I should caution that the audio on this page may be triggering, I was a little unnerved by it myself, so I muted the volume on my computer.

http://www.timothywyllie.com/

I think both the right and left hand paths of cult/spirituality are spook ridden.
This is not to say that individual practice in either of these areas may not be valid for some. But, through my own personal experience, I am quite leery of a good number of the groups out there, light and dark.

[American Dream]

thurnuntaxis, quoting boingboing, wrote:

Feral House will release a book about the strange cult,"Love, Sex, Fear, Death: The Inside Story of The Process Church of the Final Judgment," written by former member Timothy Wyllie...

I hadn't known anything about Timothy Wyllie, so I looked him up. In light of all the material previously quoted, it was a bit shocking to see that he is apparently the child of a British Intelligence officer, who worked in Germany before WW2, and in Britain thereafter...

[OP ED]

I do not believe in satan.

To me, Thelema is only Rosicrucianism with a Sumero-Egyptian interpretation of traditionally Judeo-Christian elements[symbols].
Nothing more.

any cult which purports to be teaching a LHP "version" of Thelema is no such thing. [Dragon Rouge, etc] You might as easily call the Processians "christian" because Jesus figures heavily in their quasi-luciferianism. [christian nazi satanists]

It [thelema] is not a religion so much as a process for building a personal religious philosophy. It is heavily rooted in British literary traditions and is therefore readily accessible to almost any english speakers. As it lacks discrete dogmatic elements, on account of its syncretic 'chaoist' philosophy, it is easy to misrepresent based on selective [lacking] interpretations of limited materials.

which is to say, its syncretic nature easily allows for the adoption of traditions from other paths i may be interested in at any given time. i.e. traditional american religions [i am at least twice as cherokee as ward churchill, for example] can easily be integrated as neither worldview[s] precludes the existence of the other.

Insofar as its effects on my relationship with the Black Brotherhood [which Thelema recognizes as being capable of coopting anything, not just "other" religions] and its equivalents in the quasi-intelligence world, that is much more complicated and would likely be different depending on who you asked. Our path has many routes, and subroutes, and the amount of awareness any particular student may have wrt these influences will depend on which routes that student has explored.

For myself, i consider such abberations of form to be among my first priorities. not least because they have a tendency to attract negative press for those of us who do not eat babies.

I can't speak for the processians. Their doctrine is not offically acknowledged as valid by any order i've ever been a member of, and are held in high suspicion by most of those who are even aware of their existence. Some of the others described universally as OTO in the articles you've posted [Solar Lodge] are held in suspicion even by the less savory mainstream elements of thelema, i.e. the Caliphate.

I think you're expecting much more rigid and centralised thinking than actually occurs in these circles.

[ultramegagenius]

from a pop-cultural perspective, i have definitely enjoyed the output of Genesis P. Orridge and Skinny Puppy, and i even was grateful to find a digestible helping of Anton LeVey's Satanic Bible while in high school. and i have to ask myself the same question, "if these types are linked to DMC practices, then what redeeming value might they have?"

it soon becomes a metaphysical issue, for me. for some creative types, that type of anti-establishment thinking can open new horizons and lead to positive journeys of self-discovery. for the more psychopathic types, it opens the door to abusive practices that are based on a false objectivity divorced from the concept of suffering.

it strikes me as an equivocation to ignore the negative results and cling to the view that such fringe groups/theories are nothing more than enzymes in an amoral stew of personal development. it then turns to a subsequent debate: if some people choose cultural freedom and others choose pure evil, cant it be said that Process-Church type groups are necessary vehicles to propel the system of free-choice in our universe?

and thereupon we must confront a more generalized question of whether certain issues should be confronted politically or spiritually, and how the descriptions of such battles plays into our own participation in them.

at this point in time, i have managed to arrive at the following position: i appreciate the amoral perspective as it explains some of the hard realities in my own life. however, rather that use that to justify my own excesses, i see it as the background against which i must use free-choice to advance my spiritual progress. furthermore, rather than spending this life fighting political/ideological battles, it seems more pertinent to confront the evil tendencies in myself as well as those i face directly.

if i ever become a warrior for light of any measure, then i may have to face the Process Church in my own life, and not in abstract terms.

[American Dream]

It's like a lot of civil liberties issues. Waving the banner of an ideology that is not supported by all should not be considered a crime. Doing really bad things to other people should be.

Thus it is with the Process Church, the Temple of Set, the various Thelemic factions and the like. The same should hold true for any Christian Church, Jewish Synagogue, Islamic Mosque, and et cetera.

There seems to be more than a question of freedom if children are being abused, coercive mind control is being practiced, even more so if animals and humans are being tortured and/or killed.

So, even if Genesis P. Orridge and Skinny Puppy have some interesting songs, their creative output doesn't seem like the only issue, much less the central issue, with regards to the "Satanic" underground...

[IanEye]

[url=http://notesfromalife.blogspot.com/2006/08/fear-and-mans-destruction-of-himself.html]FEAR

The tight-lipped suppression of the rigid moralist reflects it, as does the violent protest of the anarchist. But more starkly and tragically than anywhere else, it manifests in the pale grey shadow of the ordinary person, whose fear clamps down on all his instincts and traps him in the narrow confines of the socially accepted norm. Afraid either to step down into the darkness of his lower self or to rise up into the light of his higher self, he hangs suspended in between, stultified into the alien pattern of nothingness.[/url]

[American Dream]

I should point out that I really have known personally some of really, really bad people from this milieu. I have seen and experienced some things that I can not speak about here. However, I will say that the question of morality in regards to some of these people is not petty, not an abstraction, and is very, very important indeed...