Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

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Postby jlaw172364 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:43 pm

I was a huge fan of that series because I found it very revealing. I'll even wager that if the Dollhouse doesn't already exist, it will soon enough, that is, in the sense that the levels of control will be increased beyond even what the scope of the show had in mind.

If I recall correctly, the Echo character stumbles upon illegal research at a University with black ops world ties, and then gets blackmailed into signing away a portion of her life to get out of trouble for attempting to sabotage the unethical research and related programs.

She's then mind-wiped, and reduced to a docile state, until she can be called into action by various wealthy clients, whereas she's programmed with various specialties, usually sex or military related.

The boss, played by a British woman, is manipulative, but also vulnerable, in that she has a secret addiction to a personality programmed in one of the male subjects.

There were a lot of thought-provoking tropes on that show. Toward the end, one of the wealthy antagonists, rather than control his overeating, constantly acquires new bodies to download his mind into, as he fattens up the ones he uses.
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:20 am

The CIA has been trying to hide the 1976 book exposing the hypnoprogramming of Jessica Wilcox aka 'The Control of Candy Jones.'

The psyops movie, 'Ruby,' put out in 1991 to pre-empte Oliver Stone's 'JFK' with the-mob-dunnit-nonsense included a stripper character named "Candy Cane" that is specifically identified as "fictional" in the post-movie credits.
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby jingofever » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:10 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:The psyops movie, 'Ruby,' put out in 1991

1992, actually. JFK pre-empted Ruby. I always wondered, knowing that the CIA has total control over Hollywood, why did they green-light JFK?
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby jlaw172364 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:21 pm

The CIA is just like the mob, except with ivy league degrees and old money behind them.

Hollywood is not a creature of the WASP establishment behind the intelligence agencies, although it often whores itself out to them.
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Postby wordspeak2 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:05 pm

I agree on both counts.
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:48 am

Upstream date correction is correct-

'JFK' released 12/20/91
...and full of dangerous truths...

'Ruby' released 3/27/92
...and full of manipulative lies....


Oh and...
Hollywood, both television and movie script land...is TOTALLY military-occupied territory since WWII.
A primary principle of military strategy for thousands of years is....to control the high ground of visibility.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Hugh, I think "totally" is way overstating it, but I did take an excellent writing class recently from a former intelligence agent (now author) who was quite open about having been stationed in Hollywood for many years. She wrote and produced there after having begun her intelligence career in Europe doing more conventional spy stuff. The agencies definitely have a presence in the TV/movie industry and I believe that bright people like Joss Whedon and Stanley Kubrick pick up on some of the deep state crap that's going on around them in society and use it in their own projects. But that doesn't make them "dirty," it just makes them observant and, to me, pretty damn brave.

Had Whedon been able to do Dollhouse the way he wanted to, I have a feeling we would have seen much more about mind control and human trafficking, but Fox forced alterations to the scripts that nearly ruined the show. That's where I'd look for Conservative studio execs under the thumb of the Bad Guys, not at Whedon or his writing team. In fact, I recall seeing a long interview with him (around the end of the 1st season, I think?) where he spoke guardedly about the mess Fox was making of his show. I think if you're working in Hollywood and you're smart, you figure out early-on how to work the system and get projects made or you vanish without a trace.

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Postby jlaw172364 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:44 am

@LilyPat

Exactly, it probably got canceled for being a bit too revealing. Similar to The Lone Gunmen, with its pre-9/11 show about an inside job terrorist attack similar to the 9/11 attacks. I thought the acting and plotlines were pretty well done.

On the other hand, revelation of the method?
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:58 pm

Revelation of the method, indeed. And not just in a magikal sense either. Hang out with the kind of malignant narcissists who play these games and you wouldn't believe the snickering that goes on at outsiders who aren't in the know. It's all very "clubby" and elitist. Lots of preening and sneering at the ignorant masses--and that's among wealthy businessmen I've known who've found their way behind the curtain. I can only imagine what it must be like in Hollywood.

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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby peartreed » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:44 am

Hollywood is as corrupt and compromised as everywhere else involving high powered persuasion of the masses.

Having worked with the cast, crew and production staff of, “The X-Files” and its offshoot, “The Lone Gunmen”, including sessions with writers and producers, I can attest to the fact that script research often involved delving into current and old ufology, paranormal and conspiracy theory premises in order to add “verisimilitude” to the stories and dialogue – all towards the goal of the shows’ audience suspending disbelief. It was recognized, especially in the early going, that the prime target audience demographic and psychographic profiles already had some exposure to, and interest in, the increasing popularity of such subject matter.

The film industry simply mirrors the trends in popular culture, often distorting it in the process, sometimes expanding it.

Hollywood producers (AMPTP in the U.S. and CFTPA then in Canada) were and are interconnected at the highest executive level in a highly competitive but often surprisingly cooperative cabal united in their control of industry rates, policies and the obvious production, programming and distribution of film industry product. The collaboration on content was and is more a result of what is working and sells, especially in generating audience market share and advertising/box office income.

Like all corporations, especially including global multimedia conglomerates, the film industry relies on government political, economic and legislative support to exist and prosper. It has learned to not only not bite the hand that feeds it, but to throw the odd bonus bone to the agencies and agents with a social or propaganda agenda – placing political messages, themes and constructs much like commercial product placement in films. How overt or covert, subtle or subliminal becomes merely a technical issue rather than a moral one.

My point is that the film industry is just as corrupted by ulterior motives and agendae as the rest of the world of commerce, or compromised humanity is. The difference is in the impactful delivery of compelling tales to credulous crowds who, in turn, like our tribal ancestors going back millennia, love a good story. The art of manipulative exploitation is a tradition that government, religion, commerce and the military all have mastered because we, as the manipulated, still find it very entertaining and perversely enjoyable in an otherwise dull and boring ennui-filled routine existence.

Mind control represents the extreme of such manipulative exploitation "success" in the most direct and intrusive way, would-be master to would-be slave. As that covert corruption, such as MK Ultra, ultimately rose from the depths of depravity of concentration camp experimentation into the public press, Hollywood noted the sensational tabloid potential of the subject matter and its ability to pique and press the perverted buttons of the prurient public interest - ergo counterculture entertainment.

The only difference between that and porn, if any, is the compliance with the various codes controlling programming content.

It illustrates that all of us will try to get away with as much as we can to the extent that the rest of us continue to allow it, or consider it entertaining enough to watch.

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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:37 pm

peartreed wrote:.....
The film industry simply mirrors the trends in popular culture, often distorting it in the process, sometimes expanding it.
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False.

The film [and television and comic book etc.] industry creates and amplifies "trends in popular culture" that the CIA wants and promotes. Ever since WII when the Office of War Information and its Bureau of Motion Pictures and Office of Special Services began writing the cultural scripts for Americans to live by.

This is a critical distinction of causality.
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby Simulist » Tue May 01, 2012 12:57 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
peartreed wrote:.....
The film industry simply mirrors the trends in popular culture, often distorting it in the process, sometimes expanding it.
.....


False.

The film [and television and comic book etc.] industry creates and amplifies "trends in popular culture" that the CIA wants and promotes. Ever since WII when the Office of War Information and its Bureau of Motion Pictures and Office of Special Services began writing the cultural scripts for Americans to live by.

This is a critical distinction of causality.

Yeah, Hugh. Here's someone who's actually worked in the film and television industry, so... obviously he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Much better to listen to the analysis of a herbivorous marine mammal who's maybe watched some movies from the seclusion of his tank.
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby elfismiles » Tue May 01, 2012 11:59 am

FLASHBACK:
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Re: Dollhouse - MC based series on fox.

Postby peartreed » Tue May 01, 2012 1:21 pm

Thanks Simulist and Elfismiles!

My fellow screenwriting members of The Writers Guild will be more astounded than amused to learn from Hugh Manatee that their personal creative Muse secretly operates from a CIA desk.

Similarly, our colleague producers and performers will also be surprised to find that some CIA spook was the source of their many scripts, and that the same covertly-crafted script content is the actual causality of culture.

And who knew that modern culture, at least since 1947, was a sole creation of the CIA? My international friends in film & television entertainment will be stunned by the revelation that not only their scripts but their very diverse cultural histories, going back centuries, have now been co-opted to be the causative carriers of CIA scenarios.

Never let it be said that xenophobia and paranoia could combine to pronounce the all-pervasive American Way as the new, exclusive, world-wide show of the CIA.

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