Hugh Manatee goes mainstream

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Postby compared2what? » Thu May 22, 2008 3:41 pm

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compared2what? wrote:Plus in reality I got mildly irritated with the below-linked last scene of Full Metal Jacket the other day for plagiarizing Hugh's motifs. Which was definitely beyond all reason though not, as an isolated instance, also beyond all toleration.

"The URL contained a malformed video ID." but that aside, shouldn't the above be in green?


Oops. Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmILOL55xP0

No, it shouldn't. It wasn't the only thing I was feeling, and was so slight that it didn't do much more than traverse the surface of consciousness in a very rapid transit from mild irritation to mild amusement at myself for being so foolish to gone-from-my-mind-forever. So rapid it almost didn't take place in the dimension of time at all, if you know what I mean. For me anyway, it's not uncommon for a thought or feeling that takes .0000000001 seconds to comprehend internally to potentially take anywhere from 2 seconds to twenty minutes to twenty years to express, depending on how fully I aim to express it. Though I am the first to admit that I am perhaps a little more challenged than many people on the brevity-of-expression tip.

As I think I just demonstrated. In any event. It was not so overwhelming that I would necessarily even have remembered it, had not something (chlamor's post) reminded me while my memory of watching the movie was still a fresh one.

But as far as it went, it was both sincere and spontaneous. In short: Silly, yes; Ironic, no.
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Me too

Postby slow_dazzle » Thu May 22, 2008 5:21 pm

Penguin wrote:I like Hugh.
There. I said it again :)
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Sometimes Hugh comes away with stuff that has me scratching my head. Nevertheless, Hugh posts some well argued stuff and I like him for taking the time to research and post, even though I don't always find myself agreeing with him just as he probably thinks some of my stuff is daft.
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Postby orz » Thu May 22, 2008 7:18 pm

compared2what? wrote:No, it shouldn't. It wasn't the only thing I was feeling, and was so slight that it didn't do much more than traverse the surface of consciousness in a very rapid transit from mild irritation to mild amusement at myself for

hehe ok but I mean just in terms of Full Metal Jacket being done long before and better than Hugh's internet postings...
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Postby orz » Thu May 22, 2008 7:20 pm

haha oh youtube ^.^;

first off were not loseing in iraq second off we never lost vietnam, we pulled out because of the libral hippie communists who protested causeing us to lose moral.
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Postby compared2what? » Sat May 24, 2008 12:32 am

orz wrote:
compared2what? wrote:No, it shouldn't. It wasn't the only thing I was feeling, and was so slight that it didn't do much more than traverse the surface of consciousness in a very rapid transit from mild irritation to mild amusement at myself for

hehe ok but I mean just in terms of Full Metal Jacket being done long before and better than Hugh's internet postings...


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Plus in reality I got mildly irritated with the below-linked last scene of Full Metal Jacket the other day for plagiarizing Hugh's motifs. Which was definitely beyond all reason though not, as an isolated instance, also beyond all toleration.


Stipulated, AGAIN.

Kubrick was such a genius that it's really almost worth watching his movie in two minute segments so that you can appreciate every perfectionist aspect of the perfect cinematography and editing. There's a little steadycam readjustment, so the angles aren't totally static, but the mise-en-scene progression in that little clip starts with the hellish flames as a backdrop that are a roughly consistent distance away from the marines on what would be their left while the song gets louder; then cuts to the shot in which the monologue occurs, with hellish flames much closer as the direction in which they're moving switches from tending to the right to definitively to the left, with a distant pair of esoteric-type pillars in the middle of the picture for the latter part of the shot; then switches for the last time, with the esoteric-type pillars now very close and the marines apparently marching straight into the hellish flames.

I love his work so very much, it makes me glad to be alive. I mean in more than the sense that Matthew Modine's character intends when using the word "alive" in that monologue, since the full context of the movie suggests that's probably something along the lines of "not meaningfully different than being dead, except technically."

Anyway. Stipulated.

Here are two exquisite bonus minutes of Stanley Kubrick exercising his incomparable ability to say it with steadycam, which I hope will serve as a well-earned reward to anyone who made it to the end of this post and is still awake:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13tsf ... ence_music
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat May 24, 2008 4:46 am

Ow, I go off for four days and my ears start burning. Oh, it's youse guys. Nyuk.

nomo wrote:Also, someone should sue the Matinee for keyword-hijacking the term "keyword hijacking".

That would prove that such a thing is possible, is done, and has some tactical value.
You're running the ball down the field for me, thanks.

As it stands, that term originated in the internet search industry, and anyone claiming that the Matinee somehow came up with that himself is showing nothing but ignorance.


I did coin the term on my own head when I saw KH in the news cycle February 2005.
I realized that Ward Churchill was being villified in reich-wing media for using the expression "like little Eichmanns" and it was just before the CIA was supposed to release documents showing they'd hired Nazi Adolph Eichmann's staff after WWII.

I realized this was a Magician's Other Hand diversion just by hijacking keywords.
And I was right.

I posted my assessment at DemocraticUnderground.com on 2/4/05 that this was why Ward Churchill was getting beaten up.
I didn't know that the very same day the CIA was releasing its Eichmann documents to the National Security Archive .

The day before this, 2/3/05, is when the internet alarm was sounded about gaming Google, I think. Or atleast tt had only just started to come out.
Timing.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/03/google_adwords_attack/

It's rather odd that this is the same time when articles about gaming Google with KH started to pop up, too. It almost seems that the Google KH was trumpeted as a diversion from the CIA's KH, not the other way around, even though KH has gone on for many years. Maybe too many people like me were catching on.

Several things about how KH is NOT just an internet phenomenon-
>The use of decoys for military purposes is an ancient tactic. Eons old.
>The US military has for decades had the use of decoys in standard practice.
>The US military has for decades codified a counterpropaganda tactic called "imitative deception."
>The NSA has for decades been monitoring communications for keywords.
>Language has been shown since studies in the 1930s to be a hierarchy of associations with keywords being the 'face cards' of the vocabulary deck.
See 'Zipf's Law' named after George Kingsley Zipf who published 'The Psychology of Language' in 1935.

One person who studied Zipf and expanded on his work was Charles E. Osgood who went on to reveal the dynamics of semantic differential in the 1960s and also worked for the CIA.

In 1961 William McGuire at Yale introduced Inoculation Theory to cognitive science and the keyword hijacking skyrocketed after this.

Interference Theory describes ways to prevent recall using linguistics both before and after exposure to targeted information.


Adjective checklists (a form of keyword metrics) have been used to evaluate attitudes since the 1930s and were used during the Vietnam War to determine the morale of military units with accuracy.

The "Mutual Exclusivity" phenomenon of the brain pre-biasing strongly to the first learned definition of a word has been known about atleast since the development of Sesame Street for children during the Vietnam War, long before Google and the internet.
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Postby orz » Sat May 24, 2008 4:54 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
nomo wrote:Also, someone should sue the Matinee for keyword-hijacking the term "keyword hijacking".

That would prove that such a thing is possible and has some tactical value.

Which is why it hasn't happened and won't.
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Postby Penguin » Sat May 24, 2008 5:08 am

Orz: Do you have some kind of personal pickle with Hugh, or is it just that you happen to post in every thread Hugh does, to Manateehandle him? ;)
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Postby orz » Sat May 24, 2008 6:26 am

I have an impersonal pickle. I've many times tried to debate his ideas in a rational manner but that went nowhere so I'm reduced to simply calling him out on it every time he makes an absurd statement, which is to say every time he posts on his pet subject.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sat May 24, 2008 7:06 am

orz wrote:I have an impersonal pickle. I've many times tried to debate his ideas in a rational manner but that went nowhere so I'm reduced to simply calling him out on it every time he makes an absurd statement, which is to say every time he posts on his pet subject.


What is the purpose of that, though?

Surely it wont make either HMW change his mind, or anyone else reading it change their mind?
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Postby nomo » Sat May 24, 2008 12:06 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:I did coin the term on my own head when I saw KH in the news cycle February 2005.


The original term is much older. You must have either been subliminally influenced by some nefarious powers, or it's just synchronicity.

It really is not that surprising to me, given our ubiquitous mass culture, that certain terms and phrases get appropriated by different groups all the time, and most of the time those comparisons are tenuous if not entirely off the mark.

To suggest that this is done deliberately in the media seems overreaching. I would call it cultural memesis, and it doesn't mean much more than what you are willing to project on it.
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Postby Jeff » Sat May 24, 2008 12:41 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:I did coin the term on my own head


Then you give yourself allowance that you deny every artist, writer and filmmaker.
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Oh, Sweet Lorraine.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat May 24, 2008 3:05 pm

Jeff wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:I did coin the term on my own head


Then you give yourself allowance that you deny every artist, writer and filmmaker.


C'mon, Jeff. That's an absurd response, that I "deny every artist" etc.
That's totalist Pan-talk used to set up straw men.

The Public Relations Society of America takes offense at your denying them their craft.
And so does George Lakoff.
:P

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?_r=1&res=9B0DEFDC1F31F932A35756C0A961948260&oref=slogin
Movie Review
Sweet Lorraine (1987)

May 1, 1987
FILM: 'SWEET LORRAINE'
By JANET MASLIN
Published: May 1, 1987
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Almost nothing happens in ''Sweet Lorraine,'' which opens today at the 68th Street Playhouse. Nothing, that is, unless you count the washing of hundreds of dishes, the scrambling of countless eggs or the monumental cleaning, repairing and polishing chores that keep the old hotel in working order.
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Reader's Comment-
Sweet Lorraine is a realistic slice-of-life about a proprietress of a Catskills hotel called The Lorraine. There is a very nice camaraderie between the hotel staff characters in the movie. Unfortunately, the film looks very low budget. The sound and cinematography are inferior. The plot is extremely weak, which is a shame; it could have been so much better. Some of the scenes are tedious--like showing an extremely unfunny comedian--making you wonder why it's in the film. The acting is mediocre and the characters are not well developed.

I wanted to like Sweet Lorraine more, especially since the title has my name in it, but I guess the budget was really tight, by the looks of it.


Image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Motel
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The Lorraine Motel remained open following King's assassination until it was foreclosed in 1982. The Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Foundation purchased the property at auction in December of that year. In 1987 construction of the museum started, opening its doors to visitors on September 28, 1991.
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Postby IanEye » Sat May 24, 2008 5:32 pm

nomo wrote:
It really is not that surprising to me, given our ubiquitous mass culture, that certain terms and phrases get appropriated by different groups all the time, and most of the time those comparisons are tenuous if not entirely off the mark.


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