Texas daycare groomed kids for sex parties

[hava1]

I think this describes the "normal" investigation of such cases. Namely, there are some "rumors" , and in fact people know, they know something is going on, and police gets paid to look the other way. And the average approach is that its good to have "those people" sponging the poison. There is a basic knowledge that there are many sexual predators, and that many "normative" people have strange appetites at times, and someone has to "contain" that, and so instinctively the "pack/herd" zeroes on a victim or several victims, and then the "systems" collaborate, either actively, corruptly, or by default. Matters comes to light when someone is too careless.
ANd that doesn't always happen, in fact, I think, it normally doesn't, which is why the exploitation of children for sex is rampant and usually is a crime "on the paper" only, namely, written off as "crime" and oy vey, but in fact, acceptable. Small towns are only a micro model of "the world out there".

[chiggerbit]

http://www.hhs.state.tx.us/news/reports ... Plan.shtml

....Turnover during the first two years of employment as a CPS caseworker is significant. Nearly four out of ten new workers quit.

...Average Tenure of CPS Caseworkers and Supervisors

FY 2002
FY 2003
FY 2004

Caseworker
4.7 years
4.7 years
4.2 years....

.....Compounding the problem of high turnover rates is the difficulty in recruiting new staff. Average salary for investigative caseworkers is $2,691 per month. The average salary for investigative supervisors is $3,466 per month....

Holy shite! That's outrageous!

And let me add that competent, experienced, and caring foster parents are worth their weight in gold.

[8bitagent]

a town of 5000 only, implies that it was acceptable or widely tolerated. Mineola is mentioned in NYT from 2006, when state comptroller found lapses in monitoring sex offenders. Some town...dogville type.

Comes to prove the speculation that child sexual commercial abuse is acceptable to many people, despite the laws and the righteous indignation.
Governments therefore feel ok to run commercial child sex rings for "national security". The difference between, say, the US society and Moldava (considered "risk area" for trafficking) is the manner in which it is done. In Moldava it would be "over the counter", and in the USA and other places, it would be hidden, denied, and will be focused on using "branded" victims for the enjoyment of multitudes. Whereas, if its over the counter, its more dispersed and less "stigmatized".

Sickness abound.

Well in just the last few years, high level officials from the governments of Chile to Brazil, from Portugal to all over have been involved in organizing child sex kidnapping and child sex abuse rings.

And we know, that coincidentally wherever the UN and Dyncorp goes, coincidentally massive organized child sex markets start popping up.
Lord knows how many foster/CPS taken/etc kids in Florida end up missing, only to be sacrificed or sold overseas. And who knows how deep that Dutrox, Franklin or Finders case reached.

Of all the non lone pedophile, and parental custody cases that account for kidnapping...I wonder since 1981, how many children and young women in America have been kidnapped by the black market or cults?

Also, many believe that Patty Ramsey killed Jon Benet, because she wanted to save her from a local child pedophile porn ring that was abusing Jon Benet. So this stuff is in local small towns, with an unassuming Pleasantville like demeanor.

[robotilt]

One of the weird side notes in the story is this bit:

"The Rev. Tim Letsch is opening a church in the yellow-plastered building where the children were abused.
He acknowledges that building a congregation might be difficult
because of the stigma attached to the property."

I did a little searching, and I think this is Rev. Tim, for what it's worth...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=93407978

He was posting friendly comments on Ross Parsley's page -

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=57573578

on edit: Ross Parsley took Ted Haggard's place at New Life Megachurch in Colorado Springs...

Small world

[timetunneler]

Governments therefore feel ok to run commercial child sex rings for "national security".

And we know, that coincidentally wherever the UN and Dyncorp goes, coincidentally massive organized child sex markets start popping up. Lord knows how many foster/CPS taken/etc kids in Florida end up missing, only to be sacrificed or sold overseas. And who knows how deep that Dutrox, Franklin or Finders case reached.

Like I've said before, I feel that many of these type of stories are related to various groups blackmailing other groups either in the name of "national security", meaning the U.S. government is behind it... or possibly in the name of furthering the interests of certain extreme right wingers operating on the fringes of the U.S. government who are using this stuff to blackmail other parties and push forward their agendas.

The Gannon, and Gosch stories in particular got my attention along time ago because they are connected to each other by Gannon contacting Gosch's mom and have involved the White House, and have the odd habit of periodically breaking into the news and then dissappearing again from the news cycles as quickly as they appeared. And the stories always seem to involve the intimidation of politicians by GOP fascists. In fact, arch male ho blackmailer Jeff Gannon is in the news this very moment attacking the Obama camp:
http://www.jeffgannon.com/archives/2008/06/index.html

Recently we have the Larry Sinclair story in the news... a guy out of the Minnesota 9/11 High Weirdness Zone. Who claims Obama sucked this scumbags cack. Minnesota is a 9/11 hotspot like Pennysylvania, Florida, Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas:
http://www.mcgillreport.org/alshehri.htm

So no surprise that these states puke up blackmailers from time to time for the sake of keeping certain American side co-conspirators in 9/11 from closer scrutiny.

Maybe this Texas story is in the news cycles because of this one:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 51364.html

The grail cult story where some group was secretly filming kids tortured in a house by a 30 something year old woman posing as a child. These cults when you read more about them, seem more and more like Intelligence fronts than actual real cults(again, read Messengers of Deception for comparisons)

How many times have stories of child abuse come out of Bush country Florida and Texas? Those two states in the U.S. are the epicenter for these types of stories. When you look outside the U.S. you notice hotspots in Eastern Europe, and some of the countries(Dutch speaking?) centered around NATO:

"People suspected of having links to Bin Laden and al-Qaeda were detained across the world. Arrests were made in Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Malaysia and Thailand."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1581063.stm

And of course Atta was in Florida with his Euro friends from Germany, Netherlands and elswhere.

I think at some point over the last 2-3 decades, since Koreagate... that the intelligence agencies and various secret factions vying for power realized that it could be useful to entrap politicians, by catching them on tape with children, hookers, male prostitutes, inflatable dolls, whatever and then secretly blackmailing them to do whatever that entity wishes.

I think this type of spying, eaves dropping, wire tapping is probably one of the major reasons why the Democrats have no backbone... because they have likely already been compromised to play along with the extremists in the Repub. party using these techniques.

I find it very interesting that the FLDS Mormon breakaway cult in the High Weirdness Zone of Texas where the old guys were marrying 12 year olds... well that group was directly funded by the Pentagon in the form of contracts related to Aircraft parts. And I also found it interesting that a Mormon decided to run for President this time around.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Am I reading this wrong, as usual? Why would anyone leave their kids at daycare in a building if they believed it was also playing host to swingers' parties?

You don't have to be against swinging or swingers to see why that would be
a very bad idea.

[barracuda]

I think this describes the "normal" investigation of such cases. Namely, there are some "rumors" , and in fact people know, they know something is going on, and police gets paid to look the other way. And the average approach is that its good to have "those people" sponging the poison.

Completely agree. This type of situation (swingers club) is akin in practise to a speak-easy or underground dance club. These things do not exist without the usual monthly payoff which is the price of doing organized crime or even marginally legal business in any town in America.

There is a basic knowledge that there are many sexual predators, and that many "normative" people have strange appetites at times, and someone has to "contain" that, and so instinctively the "pack/herd" zeroes on a victim or several victims, and then the "systems" collaborate, either actively, corruptly, or by default. Matters comes to light when someone is too careless.

Or, when the payoff cannot adequately cover all the palms that need to be greased as the operation expands through "success". There is no end to the carelessness which can be easily accomodated as long as there is enough "vigorish" to go around.

And that doesn't always happen, in fact, I think, it normally doesn't, which is why the exploitation of children for sex is rampant and usually is a crime "on the paper" only, namely, written off as "crime" and oy vey, but in fact, acceptable. Small towns are only a micro model of "the world out there".

And essentially what you are saying (and I think, rightly) is that the pedophila rings are simply an aberrent, smaller part of the more staid prostitution/pornography business which thrives in the US and elsewhere, and generates an incredible amount of revenue in its wake. This whole thing is about money on the front-end, the control mechanisms (having the police accepting payola is a two way street of power, of course; the ability to maintain the local political scheme through pandering and bribery and extortion is a more obvious mechanism) are an added benefit to anyone willing to accept the challenge and create the setup. My own tangental experiences with organized criminal behaviour under the watchful eye of a big city police force on the rampant take confirms this generally. In order to operate at a certain scale, a trip to city hall was arranged. The connection was paid to setup a meeting downtown with the guy who ran your neighborhood underneath the alderman, and he contacted the cop in the precinct in charge of coordinating the pickups monthly. The OSHA guy got money, the city inspectors got money, the firemen got money - it was the price you paid for having protection and the ability to create large sums of money without getting busted or killed. This was true to a certain extent of any business, but clearly the illegal businesses were where the real vig was, 'cause they had more to gain and more to lose. And in this way, the various scams and grifts and operations happening all over town were consolidated and controlled from the bottom up to a nexus that culminated at the city governments highest levels - we literally had to go to city hall to open the doors, or we couldn't have done the thing for more than a few days.

[hava1]

Like I've said before, I feel that many of these type of stories are related to various groups blackmailing other groups either in the name of "national security", meaning the U.S. government is behind it... or possibly in the name of furthering the interests of certain extreme right wingers operating on the fringes of the U.S. government who are using this stuff to blackmail other parties and push forward their agendas.



I find it very interesting that the FLDS Mormon breakaway cult in the High Weirdness Zone of Texas where the old guys were marrying 12 year olds... well that group was directly funded by the Pentagon in the form of contracts related to Aircraft parts. And I also found it interesting that a Mormon decided to run for President this time around

Possibly true, but then what does it say about the victims of the blackmail? suppose there is a political breakdown (namely, that its right winger mostly blackmailing democrats), it means that those who are blackmailed have no courage to stand up and say so. They cooperate.

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The Aviation industry for some reason is connected with child sex rings and "conditioning" experiments. Same here in Israel. My take on it is twofold. 1. biggest money, and requiring a lot of creativity to get ahead in competition over bids 2. the historical connection of the Aerospace industry with Nazi scientists and the Von Braun effect. I almost feel sometimes that the R&D process is involved with deep slavery and human exploitation. The Nazi model was successful (well, economically speaking) in tapping into human resources for war needs. That included forced labor, but more so, a concept of making the human, part of the "war machinery" integrated in it. Can't explain. But I think that also accounts for the cutting edge research (DARPA style) to integrate the soldier's body AND mind to machinery (helmets, computers etc.). The marriage of human and machine. The whole concept of the MK projects, is to harness the human in totality, for "the machine".


on edit- sorry for derailing.

TO the topic - sex rings are widely acceptable, the outrage is reserved to instances that the victim is not supposed to have been there (socioeconomically, or is someone that some group cares to protect, and wishes to malign another group as "perverts". otherwise, its ok with everyone.)

[lightningBugout]

I've been on RI for a couple hours a day lately (I'm immobilized with an injury) and came across an old thread on the FMSF that I was very tempted to bump. Several posters who I had been fond of made some sympathetic comments about the FMSF that astounded me - real Aristotelian mediation of "both sides" ala "well there probably are some false memories" and that sort of shit. So I wanted to share this - I googled something like CSA+vicodin tonight and came across two pages in which individuals claimed to have taken their kids to the ER after "accidentally" ingesting Vicodin and had the kids taken away by CPS. Both of these sites linked to the FMSF. And neither had even been charged with SA.

I will guarantee that this case and the Hosanna case will both use (or already have used) the FMSF talking points in defense. Which is so beyond the pale given that Hosanna began with a totally unsolicited and detailed confession and this one did too. One from a perp and one from a child.

I am so freaking disgusted that people do not recognize the extent and reach of the FMSF propaganda / talking points. Essentially every single legal case of CSA without witnesses makes use of them. Even when they are not, in any way, whatsoever relevant.

I am fucking stunned that anyone with half an interest in any of the content of this blog cannot recognize that the FMSF is very, very bad news.

Not to hijack the thread - just pissed.

[blanc]

I'll keep this brief as its off topic. FMSF literature has influenced police investigations. This literature has provenence in paedophile promotion.

Also off topic. Hava's point about dehumanisation - I believe that in so far as there is an organised agenda, that is it.

On or off topic, can't figure. Blackmailed individuals are (obviously) too cowardly to run the risks of facing off the blackmailers. Blackmail processes (getting the goods), don't always involve the willing participation of the subject in criminal acts.

Swingers clubs - one at the heart of the dutroux case, allegations that weekly special nights (children) took place went uninvestigated. at other end of scale, an ra group known to me have installed themselves in a swingers club in smallish town in GB. This club also has daytime uses which are superficially anodine.

[8bitagent]

Italy rocked by satanic, drug-induced sexual abuse in kindergarten
Children say they were forced in satanic sexual abuse and forced to drink blood in rituals

Six persons were arrested in Rome on Wednesday accused of sexually abusing 15 children from the age of three to the age of six at the nursery school “Olga Rovere” of Rignano Flaminio, in the vicinities of Rome.

They are expected to be subjected to intense interrogations on Friday. The accused persons were arrested and passed their first night in isolation in a jail in Rebibbia, close to Rome.

All six were arrested and accused of a number of offences which included the abduction of minors, sexual violence within a group, sexual violence on minors under the age of 10 and obscene actions in public places.



Two teachers, both grandmothers, were reported to have been in service at the school for decades and one was close to retirement.

Italian Police also arrested a female caretaker at the school, a young Sri Lankan male and the husband of one of the teachers, who formerly worked as a cameraman at Italy's state broadcaster RAI.

Police said the children were taken to an apartment near the school owned by one of the teachers where they were alledgedly made to perform sexual acts with the Sri Lankan suspect, while the cameraman filmed the ordeal.

Children who protested or resisted were given sleeping pills, tranquilisers or other types of drugs.

“They told us that they were only playing, they made punctures on our cheeks,” said one of the children involved.

Some victims spoke of esoteric and satanic rituals, where adults forced them to drink human blood, exited from wounds that the same persons caused.

The pupils described the intimate parts of the body of the arrested persons and mentioned also piercing and tattoos, which a child at such a tender age wouldn’t know, if he or she has not seen them before.

The little victims described the dreadful scenes saying: “In the villa where they took us, a man cut his arm and coerced us to drink his own blood which he poured in a glass, with other substances. Then they made us do a series of strange games, sort of performances with masked adults and massages to female teachers with oil”.


The parents were reportedly alarmed by signs of bruising and red swelling around their children's genital areas, as well as by the dazed and confused state in which some of them returned home from school.

The city, Rignano Flaminio, is dismayed. People cannot believe that teachers and other esteemed persons could have done such repulsive crimes.

“It’s a nightmare” Interior Minister Giuliano Amato said, remarking the umpteenth paedophilia case in Rignano Flaminio.

“These are very serious episodes” he added, emphasising that actually these things are not so much diffused in Italian schools.

Amato admitted that the challenge against paedophilia is “a difficult fight” and revealed that the Interior Ministry “was informed” of the preliminary enquires carried out. “We were anxiously following the case at the Ministry” he added, “because we know what it means for Italian families who have children at school”.

From last year:
http://web.archive.org/web/200705180128 ... p?an=11655

Seriously, what kind of sick shit is going on in the world?

And how come investigators in the Dutrox case kept alluding to the involvement of politicians and judges?

Somehow, I don't feel like laughing at Ted Gundersen or Cathy O'brien. Maybe things are much more disturbing and unbelievable than we want to believe.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

Could this not be town hysteria about a swingers club: people get worried about morals, use children as leverage to demonize people with a different attitude to sex. My guess: no actual children were involved. Is there any actual proof (movies, pictures, bruises)?

[lightningBugout]

If I didn't know it would get me banned, I would offer you a very rousing "FUCK YOU."

May I ask what someone who believes in "town hysteria" is doing on this site? And, uh, may I further ask how you happily ignore the unsolicited confessions of abused children? Proof? Ha.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

To be fair to Pierre, I don't see why there should be any real bar against someone who believes in the possibility of "town hysteria" expressing their view. It has existed in the past, and therefore does exist. I've seen it first hand, and the people accused were innocent. The fact that these particular people, in this case, may have been guilty doesn't mean we're allowed to go all medieval on them without the qualification of law and due process.

Though, of course, we can say anything we like.

Pierre, though, concerning video and picture evidence - it must be coming from somewhere. It's literally a billion dollar industry - even the mainstream media says so. Someone is producing this stuff, and not with CGI.

I don't think the possibility of it being produced in a Texas daycare centre is any less likely than it being filmed in a Romanian orphanage or a Thai basement or a suburban home not far from us all. They are not primarily concerned with the decor.

[lightningBugout]

My issue is simply that the kids came forth, un-provoked, with their allegations. And my obvious anger at Pierre is based on the sense that he is responding without acknowledging what we currently understand to being the facts at this point in time. But then whatever, the more research one does into the prevalence and denial of child abuse, the more he/he is essentially unable to communicate with people who throw around what seem to be real "skeptical" or "common-sense" thinking-through.