New Report On 9/11 Connection To Oklahoma City Bombing

[8bitagent]

That, and on edit, that Jack Blood show really sounds like some serious disinformation--I'd be real careful relying on that and would probably focus on the FOIA stuff, Mother Jones, etc.

Well you gotta go with your gut feeling...I go with heavy grains of salt, BUT there's good info that cross checks and dovetails with other information even in some misinfo pieces. Check out that big quote text I posted from cooperative research. That PROVES the 9/11 hijackers had massive help within the US and were being helped by the Saudi government.

Did you know there were several informants within the World Trade Center 1993 plot? I didnt even know of this or OKC's shenanigans til a few years ago

In 2002, a Philippine newspaper article will claim that “Philippine police have long been aware of operational ties between local Islamic radicals and right-wing foreigners.” Apparently these ties become first noticeable in the early 1990s. The article is mainly about a 1996 recorded testimonial by Edwin Angeles, a Philippine undercover agent who had posed as a leader of the Philippine militant group Abu Sayyaf until 1995 (see 1991-Early February 1995).

Well Nichols now says it was all an FBI rogue sting operation...

also Abu Sayaff has been found to be thoroughly infiltrated and provocateured by Philippines Intel, and the army even tried to revolt when it found out elements of the government were carrying out "Abu Sayaff" terror bombings in 2003.

Daniel Hopsicker on Atta & Muslim Brotherhood http://www.madcowprod.com/11052004issue.html

The Muslim Brotherhood intimately ties into Ptech, which I believe is one of the core Rosetta Stones of 9/11

If people uncovered the truth about Mohamed Atta, Bosnian Jihad, Dubai banking, Ptech and al Kifah(as well as Able Danger that monitored ALL of this) they'd uncover the true nature and masterminds of September 11th.

MAK - al Kifah - Care International - Ptech - Saudi Government - USA

[nathan28]

This man, Melvin Lattimore has been officially connected to the World Trade Center 1993, Oklahoma City Bombing plot and 9/11:
(Next to him is another OKC suspect, FBI informant/neo Nazi James Rosencranz)

Hilarious. Fucking Hilarious.

Having seen Jeff's connection to Meiring, I'm fairly convinced that it is of the same kind as these other recent events. My conclusion at this time is that we are facing a Strategy of Tension. At the same time, I have to say, it still feels very much like a road that you are meant to walk down.

[8bitagent]

I am so wary of the "OKC Connection" because it really struck me as revisionism. I remembered flipping through the History Channel and heard that "Terry Nichols traveled to the Philippines, where he may have learned to make bombs from Al-Queda!"

It just strikes me as too clean, too neat, for the "right wing militia" movement to tie Al-Queda. Remember, prior to 9/11, the biggest terror incidents in the US were domestic terrorists. If Al-Q and the Milita types were connected then it justifies that hell-bent theory that "all terrorists are created equal"... i just have so much dissonance trying to tie the lower-class redneck "militias" into the deep state. But then again, there is so much weird stuff going on at Elohim City in the '90s, and the Nick Berg "uh wrong laptop" thing...

Well, Terry Nichols has come out with a sworn afidavit that the Oklahoma City bombing was a sting operation provocateured by informants:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,660197443,00.html

This man, Melvin Lattimore has been officially connected to the World Trade Center 1993, Oklahoma City Bombing plot and 9/11:
(Next to him is another OKC suspect, FBI informant/neo Nazi James Rosencranz)


Another suspect was Sean Kenny, whom an OKC investigator I know has corresponded with from prison. Melvin Lattimore's son was rejected from the NFL football league because his father is connected to terrorism, yet Lattimore himself remains protected. Can you imagine that?
A man who supplied credit cards for the WTC 1993 plot and drove the bombers, then was the driver and meeting point/helper in the OKC plot, then the roommate of some of the 9/11 hijackers who drove them around....a FREE man?

And how come many witnesses and reports placed darker skinned men as hanging with Mcveigh? Remember John Doe #2?

You assume that OKC was a pure militia plot, but you have Mcveigh bragging to his sister that he was working for special ops, and Terry Nichols saying it was an FBI op....what, a false flag to make it look like the government did it?

What about al Hussaini Hussain, fingered by police as John Doe#2, and then he turns up working luggage at Boston Logan on 9/11

What about top OKC cop Terrence Yeakey, one of the main heroes of that ugly day, being found slashed and shot in an alley right before he was about to go public on bombs in the building...all ruled a "suicide"?

And yeah, Elohim City and "Strausmeir" as well as the Bank Robber Nazi aspect...yet another deep state layer.

Ive studied terrorism in the US...there was a man who blew up a school in the 1920's. There was a Puerto Rican seperatist group that blew up police stations in the 1970's in New York. Theres the leftist anti war Weather Underground who did many many bombings but never killed anyone.

World Trade Center 1993 is the first "modern" terror attack, which is intimately tied to OKC and 9/11 and to the deep state.

Also remember that ALL terror plots in America since 9/11 have been government provocatuered. Miami 7 Sears Tower, Fort Dix, JFK airport, etc.

As for Nick Berg...the fact he's seen with some of the 9/11 hijackers in and around Oklahoma University, the fact authorities said a white male purchased the Flight 93 tickets at Oklahoma University where Berg worked in the library, etc leads me to believe he was asked to infiltrate the cell.
In fact Zacharius Moussoui said in court that the FBI was using a sting operation on him in Norman Oklahoma.

[8bitagent]

Hilarious. Fucking Hilarious.

Having seen Jeff's connection to Meiring, I'm fairly convinced that it is of the same kind as these other recent events. My conclusion at this time is that we are facing a Strategy of Tension. At the same time, I have to say, it still feels very much like a road that you are meant to walk down.

I honestly can't pinpoint *what* it is. I've done exhaustive research on 9/11, global jihad, the origins of al Qaeda, the role of al Qaeda in the Bosnian conflict, the origins of Salifist and Wahhabist strains of Islam, ISlamic fundamentalist groups working with Hitler, etc.

My ultimate conclusion is that *something* for whatever reasons, perhaps even hidden reasons, is able to tap into criminal networks and intelligence agencies worldwide(more than just the alphabet soup American agencies...this is a truly global effort Ive concluded)

In fact, I truly do believe wholeheartedly that "global jihad" and Islamic terrorism is controlled, and a tool of the "global elite". The fact so many of these events happen on esoteric numerological dates aside, WAY too many of these "al Qaeda" events almost always have the hand of intelligence or informants.

Take...Madrid 3/11...new revelations it was a government op
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3437
(has brand new mainstream links showing informants, sting operations, bombs supplied by intelligence agencies, etc)

It NOW comes out that the mastermind of 7/7 was working for MI6:
http://911blogger.com/node/16727

Also heres an updated from Jack Blood on the Atta/OKC connection
http://911blogger.com/node/16738

[8bitagent]

Great new article on the new 9/11 revelations with Oklahoma. The second half of the article goes into a lot of the 9/11 hijacker and Oklahoma connections. It lacks mentioning that Hussein al-Attas was at the Malaysian 9/11 summit, then went to live with the FBI informant that was housing two of the hijackers, and later became the roommate of Lattimore and Moussaoui(and seen with Nick Berg)

Nick Berg's main dealings seemed to be with Hussein al Attas, who came to OKU to room with Melvin Lattimore, while Moussaoui went to Airman flight school where Berg had been the year prior. Other 9/11 hijackers were visiting them at this apartment

http://www.wtprn.com/Last_Nail.html

Im telling you folks, the truth behind 9/11 is contained in Norman Oklahoma,
San Diego California, Falls Church/Vienna VA, and Venice/Hollywood Florida.

Find out the truth behind those four area, Hamberg, Bosnian jihad, Ptech and Saudi/ISI/Dubai involvement and you'll go straight to the heart of the new world order's 9/11 masterminds.

Man, Mohamed Atta is such a bad tipper...



Remember: The US government told the FBI NOT TO INVESTIGATE
9/11 as of October 2001

It is reported that the FBI and Justice Department have ordered FBI agents across the US to cut back on their investigation of the September 11 attacks, so as to focus on preventing future, possibly imminent, attacks. According to the New York Times, while law enforcement officials say the investigation of 9/11 is continuing aggressively, “At the same time… efforts to thwart attacks have been given a much higher priority.” Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller “have ordered agents to drop their investigation of the [9/11] attacks or any other assignment any time they learn of a threat or lead that might suggest a future attack.” Mueller believes his agents have “a broad understanding of the events of September 11,” and now need “to concentrate on intelligence suggesting that other terrorist attacks [are] likely.” The Times quotes an unnamed law enforcement official: “The investigative staff has to be made to understand that we’re not trying to solve a crime now. Our number one goal is prevention.” [New York Times, 10/9/2001] At a news conference the previous day, Ashcroft stated that—following the commencement of the US-led attacks on Afghanistan—he had placed federal law enforcement on the highest level of alert. But he refused to say if he had received any specific new threats of terrorist attacks. [US Department of Justice, 10/8/2001] The New York Times also reports that Ashcroft and Mueller have ordered FBI agents to end their surveillance of some terrorist suspects and immediately take them into custody. However, some agents have been opposed to this order because they believe that “surveillance—if continued for days or weeks—might turn up critical evidence to prove who orchestrated the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.” [New York Times, 10/9/2001] Justice Department communications director Mindy Tucker responds to the New York Times article, saying it “is not accurate,” and that the investigation into 9/11 “has not been curtailed, it is ongoing.” [United Press International, 10/9/2001]

[tal]

Webster Tarpley in Amsterdam, July 22nd: Historical changes in false flag terrorism
What we need to know for 2008-2009
Terrorism expert and bestseller author Webster Tarpley will hold the presentation Historical changes in false flag terrorism: What we need to know for 2008-2009 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands on July 22nd for Docs at the Docks. The presentation will follow the viewing of the documentary 7/7 Ripple Effect. Tickets available through reserveren at docsatthedocks.nl

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By Webster Tarpley for Docs at the Docks

As students of the manipulation of the political and social process by intelligence agencies through false flag terrorism and through other forms of covert operations, we need to be aware that the intelligence agencies are not Johnny one note, but rather change their tactics as the world political and economic situation evolves.

One of the main problems we face today is that, by all indications, the phase of false flag terrorism which began in the late 1990s and which reached its peak between September 11, 2001 and July 7, 2005 is ending, and is in the process of being replaced by something quite different. The old phase was centered on exerting social and political control through mass fear of bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Islamofascism, and Islamic fundamentalism in general.

The new phase involves a completely different set of targets. Iran and the Arab countries are no longer the main objectives. They have been replaced by Russia , China , the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the other countries that gravitate around this new pole of world politics. Yet, many of those who have dedicated much energy trying to expose the false flag operations of the post-9/11 period which is now essentially behind us are failing to identify the fact of sweeping change, and are repeating the slogans of the Bush-Cheney-neocon era as if everything were still as it was. We need to sum up the lessons of the 9/11-7/7 era, above all the central idea that these terrorist attacks were covert operations by US and British intelligence, and that they were made to happen on purpose and completely orchestrated from Washington and London. And then we need to look ahead.

The essence of false flag operations and other covert operations is that the same methods cannot be used for ever, but must be changed. In the first half of the 19th century, the British used the extreme nationalism of the Mazzini networks to destabilize their enemies. Around 1850, the main cover story for terrorism became the international anarchist movement and this was used well into the 1930s, especially for purposes of political assassination. In the 1950s and 1960s, the standard explanation for terrorism was the deranged loner, such as Lee Harvey Oswald. In the 1960s and 70s, methods radically changed, with youthful leftists and communist terrorists of college-age taking center stage: here we see the Weathermen in the United States, the Baader-Meinhof group in Germany, and the Red Brigades in Italy (this is a phase which resembles the one now starting). In the 1970s and 1980s, this was supplemented by the radical Arab and Palestinian political terrorism of Abu Nidal and Black September. Even during this period, there was also the rise of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. In the 1990s, especially in the United States, the focus shifted completely to right wing anarchist militias who wanted to destroy the government: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing are the leading example. By the late 90s the scene had changed again to focus on Al Qaeda and bin Laden. Now the credibility and usefulness of the 9/11 mythology has been exhausted, and we need to ask what will come next.

In order to answer this, we need to see that the historical predicament of US and British imperialism has qualitatively deteriorated even compared to 2001. We are living through the death agony of the US dollar, the constant threat of banking panic and systemic breakdown in the London and New York banking systems and capital markets, and the specter of worldwide hyperinflation centering on the dollar. At the same time, a powerful combination of adversary states has emerged around Russia, China, and the other members of the Shanghai cooperation organization. The most influential response to this situation is the one articulated by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the dean of the Democratic Party foreign policy establishment going back to the Jimmy Carter regime and even earlier. Brzezinski's name is associated with a new strategy which calls for a de-emphasis of the Middle East in favor of a global approach to crushing the power of Russia and China once and for all. In the short run this new strategy creates for some the illusion that a relaxation of world tensions might be at hand. But in the medium to longer term, the dangers of the Brzezinski strategy are even greater than those of the neocon approach followed under Bush and Cheney, because Russia and China remain powerful states with intercontinental ballistic missiles and hydrogen bombs, and a determined to defend themselves.

The Obama candidacy for the US presidency is the vehicle chosen by the Rockefeller-Trilateral-Bilderberger international banking faction to carry out this new and more radical approach to securing another century of world domination for the US and the British. In the course of this, we must remember that although the so-called global war on terror has been one of the main features of US propaganda, we have also witnessed a series of CIA people-power coups or color revolutions over recent years in places like Ukraine and Georgia . It is likely that the US and the British will rely much more these methods in the near future than they have in the recent past, including an attempt to overthrow or at least weaken the government of China , perhaps as early as this year. Irrationalist mass movements reminiscent of the 1920s and 1930s will be increasingly common in both the US and Europe , and Japan as well.

As far as terrorism specifically is concerned, we can expect the new wave of false flag actions, when it emerges, to involve groups that will allow popular anger and fear to be directed against countries like Russia , China , Pakistan , Sudan , and others of this group. If we take into account the Virginia Tech student massacre and the similar shootings at Northern Illinois University during the past year, we may be able to guess that there will also be a new round of domestic, homegrown terrorism in the wealthier countries revolving around college students or young people who are concerned about social justice. We can also expect a new round of ecological terrorism on the Unabomber of Earth First models.
It is therefore necessary that we realize that 2008 has been a year of very rapid change in the world strategic situation, and that we must be ready for new forms of terrorism as well as for new forms of mass political manipulation in general. There are numerous signs that we may be entering a new fascist era (or postmodern fascist era), and that irrationalist mass movements may be the breeding grounds for new forms of terrorism and new pretexts for top-down police state controls.
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[8bitagent]

I actually agree with Tarpley here, even tho I think he's a shoddy researcher who muddles his facts("Able Danger"=war game operation to orchestrate 9/11? Oh how he little understands the real backbone of 9/11 lies in protected Balkan networks and drug worlds)

I do believe the coming third global war, most likely where Obama is president of the US, will involve Iran, Russia, China, etc.

However, I ALSO consider Russia and China evil globalist scumbag regimes like the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Remember: Russia blew up their own buildings to blame on Chechyns, where they murdered countless innocents. China is behind so much unspeakable evil, it'd take me 10 pages to mention it all. Just google "Darfur China oil".

It seems to me, that the globalist puppetmasters will manipulate events worldwide to pit all these countries against eachother, even though most of these countries are themselves globalist nation states.

I also wont be surprised if the NWO stages an "al Qaeda" coup of Pakistan, to justify all out war there.

(And yes, I clearly remember how in the 90's, the bad guys were "right wing patriot militia men...funny how the government orchestrated all those
events too)

[rrapt]

Great topic 8-bit.

I haven't time to read all the comments here yet but I'll slip this in while its still warm.

Last night's episode of Holly Hunter's new cops n robbers series (set in OKC) was written around characters whose minds are f'kt-up by the loss of loved ones in the Murrah bldg. Dialog includes several specific mentions of McVeigh and Nichols by name, and at least one loud declaration that they were -solely- responsible for the disaster. Out of the mouth of our beloved heroine Holly herself. Wonder if she approves the script?

Must say I had a nagging suspicion about that show, being so well-funded and all with talented staff etc. Y'see, there's something so uncharacteristic about "good" teevee (CSI for instance, and Law n Order) that it isn't hard to surmise that something more than good entertainment or selling toothpaste might be buried in there somewhere. I mean, didn't we go for years with nothing but crap on the tube? Why change now?

I got my answer when I caught bits of bullshit propaganda written into nearly all the scripts. Suck the people in and feed em some subtle crap. I am surprised that Ms Hunter or other intelligent writers/actors would willingly go along with it, but I understand that they get quite a nice return for pretending ignorance. Can we take this as a guide, an indicator of how normal folks are compromised?