Now I'm confused. Inflation, deflation or what?

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Postby ninakat » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:29 pm

chiggerbit wrote:I don't get the AIG bailout. Is it a done deal, has officially received Congress' approval yet?


Radical bailout plan has a jawdropping price tag

The administration is asking Congress for far-reaching new powers to take over troubled mortgages from banks and other companies, including purchasing sour mortgage-backed securities. Administration officials and congressional leaders are to work out details over the weekend.

Congressional officials said they expected a request for legal authority to buy up the bad loans, at a cost in excess of $500 billion to the government. Democrats were discussing whether to try to attach middle class assistance to the legislation, despite a request from Bush to avoid adding controversial items that could delay action. An expansion of jobless benefits was one possibility.

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In other major steps, the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve moved to give money-market mutual funds the same kind of federal protection, at least temporarily, that now applies to savings and checking accounts and certificates of deposit at banks. Money-market accounts sold through retail banks are already FDIC insured.

The spreading global selling panic had started to threaten some money-market funds, usually thought of as rock-solid investments. Administration officials feared a run on these funds, held by millions of Americans.

"Every American should know that the federal government continues to enforce laws and regulations protecting your money," Bush said at the White House. The 75-year-old Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation now insures savings and checking accounts and certificates of deposit up to $100,000.

Separately, the Securities and Exchange Commission acted to block short-selling in financial securities. That is a trading method that bets the value of stocks will go down. It has been blamed for accelerating the plunge in stock prices of banks and other financial institutions.

"This is a pivotal moment for America's economy," Bush said. "In our nation's history, there have been moments that require us to come together across party lines to address major challenges. This is such a moment."

Congressional leaders of both parties welcomed the administration's bold moves, after a series of ad hoc rescues.

The talk on the presidential campaign trail, barely six weeks before the election, was of bipartisanship, too.

Democrat Barack Obama said it was critical that leaders in both parties work in concert. "Truly, we are all in this together," he said.

GOP presidential nominee John McCain said leaders should put aside partisan differences and "any action should be designed to keep people in their homes and safeguard the life savings of all Americans."

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Translation: The administration and the leaders of both parties will continue the smoke and mirrors to maintain the illusion that Americans are being protected, instead of raped.

ninakat needs to go cough up a hairball. :x
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Postby vigilant » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:26 pm

jackriddler wrote:

I think Social Security would be the break point.

You know that is right on the money dude. In spite of what they say about social security being "on the ropes" I sincerely believe that is the last thing they would let fail. I think they claim its failing so we will have the mentality of "oh at least thank god we have that" and be satisfied with it.

Think about it this way. The elite are far from stupid. Cowardly and psychopathic yes, but stupid no. They know full well that social security is the only thing keeping millions of people alive "literally". When people have no food and shelter anarchy breaks out and people go find the people responsible for their lack of food and shelter and they hang them from a lamp post.

The elite know this and as much money as they have stockpiled they won't let that happen. The last thing they want is a mob of millions literally and physically looking for them to hang them. They need these same people to believe in the fallacy they have created. They need for these same people to accept "thin air" and bring real money back to replace it with because that is the very way labor and energy is stolen.

When basic necessaties are denied people turn into the mammals that they are. Survival kicks in and people will kill anything they have to in order to survive. If social security crashes, the elite will be on the peoples menu, and the elite knows that.




chiggerbit wrote:
I don't get the AIG bailout. Is it a done deal, has officially received Congress' approval yet?

It wasn't a bailout it was a "hostile buyout" for pennies on the dollar. AIG is so huge, and it has tentacles stuck into every area of human life. Owning AIG is a "major" coup for its buyers. With AIG, their power to inflict economic woe on the rest of the world will be enormous, not to mention the fact that even if the rest of the world shruggs off AIG, the loot they can ransack from it boggles the mind. They hobbled the Wall Street Horse but they didn't kill it. They didn't intend to kill it. They intended to starve it for cash until if went down on its knees so they could assume it for pennies on the dollar. It was hobbled, and it can be "unhobbled" the same way it was hobbled. They just bought the biggest cash machine on earth for a song, and they fully intend for it to be back up and running. The richest and most powerful people on the planet did this. They hobbled it, they will unhobble it, and use it.





The move to flood the monetary pools of phony money beyond Wall Street is the big event.

DAMN IT WORD UP! This guy gets that fact. I could write a whole thread on this and I might sometime. Phony worthless money gets replaced by hard cash. Its the goal of the entire system and its what makes it so powerful.

"John borrows 1000 dollars of "fractional reserve" banking dollars from the bank (the fed really). The dollars "literally" do not exist. Its paper that says "this be money" but there is no damn money to back it. Now John is on the hook to pay back from his "labor" real hard cash dollars. A worthless piece of paper given to John has now been swapped for something of real value. Its like turning hair plucked from a goat's ass into gold. Literally.." And John has to pay interest for the privelage of borrowing "nothing" too. This is a scam beyond our ability to understand it because we grew up with it being "named"."

"named" is a whole other article too. Similar to the concept that having power over a demon is knowing its "name". If you know the name of a demon you have power over it. I don't believe in demons but this concept is where this "name" thing comes from. Knowing its name means you truly understand what you are up against, instead of being fooled and not perceiving reality correctly.

King Solomon had power over demons because he knew its "name", and called it by its name. By "renaming" and "redefining" the word "stealing", and renaming it "fractional reserve banking" and having an entire generation grow up with the new "name" it appears normal and healthy for all. Stealing and scamming is normal to us because we don't know any better. Its like renaming a "chair" to a "bed". Had we grown up with people telling us a chair was a long soft flat place to lay down we would not know the difference. It would be what they told us it was, and nothing more. Changing the "names" and "definitions" of everyday concepts and practices is the bread and butter the elite thrive on.



ninakat wrote:

They are of DEAD PARTIES ATTEMPTING TO SHARE COUNTER-PARTY RISK. Looking for (in) vs (de)flation when dead partners are marrying is like DECIDING WHETHER A HONEYMOON SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN THE CARIBBEAN OR FRENCH COAST.

Word! Its a mirage anyway.




ninakat wrote:
The place to be now is in gold and silver, preferably silver since central banks own none and because silver has strong industrial demand.

I'm not doubting you in the least. Just looking to be educated on this one. Why don't they own any? What caused them not to quickly turn to the silver market and try to hoard some? These folks are fast and they have phony money to slam on the books.





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for foreign creditors to arrive with hatchets.

If it was anybody but the crew in charge, i'd say you are right on the mark with that one. But I think the whole world is terrified of these dudes because they know that they are "totally psychopathically sociapathic"...and they got weapons we don't even wanna know about. If they come with hatchets, the whole world will come at once, because it would take the world to take these guys down, because they damn near own it right now...

These are names we have heard before. Some names we have never heard. For fear of being called an anti semite I won't mention the biggest name in the banking "WORLD", AND HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST NAME IN THE BANKING WORLD FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. The astute among you know who i'm talking about.

It pisses me off that i'm not willing to mention the name because it means the "cover mechanism" of falsely accusing someone of anti-semitism is working, exactly as it was designed to....
The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate....
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Postby ninakat » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:38 pm

vigilant, thanks for crediting me with those quotes... but those were Jim Willie's from the article I posted -- sorry for the confusion
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Postby vigilant » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:42 pm

ninakat wrote:vigilant, thanks for crediting me with those quotes... but those were Jim Willie's from the article I posted -- sorry for the confusion


I'm sure it was my error. i'm in a hurry tonight trying to scan everything and get on my work for anesthesia school. had 5 tests this week in math and chemistry. I think they are trying to give me death by math and chemistry!
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Postby Nordic » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:41 am

The last thing they want is a mob of millions literally and physically looking for them to hang them.


They're pushing it with this one. They're really pushing it.

I was in LA for the Rodney King verdict. That's something that I will always remember. Fascinating, really.

It was live TV. They announced the verdict. Nobody could believe it. The cameras followed Stacy Koon to his lawyer's Mercedes. The onlookers outside the courthouse, most of them professional, well-dressed people, many of them African American, just started running after the car as it drove away. Spontaneously.

That night, the riots began.

Seeing those people begin running after the departing Mercedes Benz was the "uh-oh" moment. The moment when everybody knew they had pushed it too far.

I felt it today, for the first time since then, when I was out with my son this morning, and everywhere I went I saw the newspapers with the big headlines. Then I was in a Starbucks, in Brentwood (a very upscale neighborhood on the West side of Los Angeles) and there was some kind of family fun-run going on, so it was crowded. Behind us in line came a guy with a T-shirt for the event, and he was sponsored (because he worked for) a big investment bank. And I looked literally from the headline on the LA Times up to this guy's T-shirt. And I really wanted to say to him "I bet you're proud of that right now, working for those scumbags. I'm really surprised you'd go out in public with that on your shirt". I really felt a desire to publicly humiliate this guy. And I didn't know him one bit. For all I know he could have been a decent guy (although I seriously doubt it). But I was there with my son.

Anyway, the emotions are similar. It's when you see something, and it hits you in the gut, and that voice in your head just says "NO".

"NO".

What gets me is how everybody is assuming that these guys NEED to be bailed out. Why? It's like in the build-up to the Iraq invasion (rape). Nobody questioned the whole WMD thing except a few people like us. EVERYBODY accepted the UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION as to the "problem". It wasn't "should we or should we not" deal with this, it was "how do we deal with this".

Everybody fucking BOUGHT the ASSUMPTION.

Which is exactly what they're doing NOW.

And it pisses me the hell off! They're using the same "mushroom cloud" language, the same dire "we're all gonna die if we don't act RIGHT NOW" bullshit.

And why? Because I think, like children, they saw other people were getting bailouts, so they ALL wanted a fucking bailout. "It's not fair! Fannie Mae gets a bailout but we don't! Whine whine whine!"

Man, it's seriously time for the pitchforks. High time.
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