The Devil Came Down To Mexico

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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:45 am

vigilant wrote:Yeah, the people may be great an all, but there is a cancer in Mexico and the country and its people are ailing from it.

There is only so much a human can follow closely, and this I haven't followed very closely. In a nutshell, is this "cancer" the CIA, I suspect it probably is? Its the cancer of most countries, and i'm wondering how it could be any different for mexico...???


I never understood the idea that the CIA/US mil.industrial.complex was the be all end all hidden hand behind every terror attack, coup or civil war going on. What frightens me, is what is puppeteering even those we believe to be the provocateurs...

*something* is stirring the pot, from Mexico to Africa to all over...and Im not entirely sure it's just intel agencies and black market money.
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Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:41 am

I have a Mexican friend who is pretty fearless, he's spent time all over the place, making documentaries and that sort of thing, he''s even gone to Columbia and checked out a lot of the situations there, with the people in the hills where a lot of people are scared to go. He's got a lot of close associates in Tijuana, including some people pretty high up on the social scale there ..... and he won't go near Tijuana right now. He says it's just too damn weird, too damn scary. Nasty business.

But you gotta realize, most of this crap is in the border towns. The border towns are completely different than the rest of Mexico.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:14 am

My thought is that the roots of a lot of this go back to the rightwing death squads in central america in the 80's. A whole generation of kids grew up in a kind of Clockwork Orange 'ultraviolence' and have come to love terror and torture and gangs thus giving rise to entities like MS-13, which found their way into the Mexican armed forces before becoming their own armed forces.
One weeks chief of police is another weeks head of a crime family is another weeks headless body in a playground.
The amount of money generated is probably enormous and the effect on 'civilian' society probably far more pervasive than we'd like to imagine.
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Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:57 pm

Searcher08 wrote:My thought is that the roots of a lot of this go back to the rightwing death squads in central america in the 80's. A whole generation of kids grew up in a kind of Clockwork Orange 'ultraviolence' and have come to love terror and torture and gangs thus giving rise to entities like MS-13, which found their way into the Mexican armed forces before becoming their own armed forces.
One weeks chief of police is another weeks head of a crime family is another weeks headless body in a playground.
The amount of money generated is probably enormous and the effect on 'civilian' society probably far more pervasive than we'd like to imagine.


You might have a really good point.

It also, it seems to me, would have some roots in the fact that the police in Mexico, the Federales in particular, are nasty and violent gangsters in their own right.

If you grow up in this kind of a society, where the cops are the biggest and baddest bad guys around, that might have a big affect on you when you decide to be a "bad guy".

Also, if you look into the stolen election and the assassination of Donaldo Colosio, you'll realize just how deeply entrenched this kind of stuff is.

Hell, maybe we should look all the way back to the Aztecs. I'm actually not joking! Cortez wasn't exactly an angel either.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:41 am

Searcher08 wrote:My thought is that the roots of a lot of this go back to the rightwing death squads in central america in the 80's. A whole generation of kids grew up in a kind of Clockwork Orange 'ultraviolence' and have come to love terror and torture and gangs thus giving rise to entities like MS-13, which found their way into the Mexican armed forces before becoming their own armed forces.
One weeks chief of police is another weeks head of a crime family is another weeks headless body in a playground.
The amount of money generated is probably enormous and the effect on 'civilian' society probably far more pervasive than we'd like to imagine.


...yep: School of Americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_zetas

In the late 1990s, the Gulf Cartel leader, Osiel Cárdenas Guillen, wanted to track down and kill rival cartel members as a form of protection. He began to recruit former Mexican Army’s elite Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales (GAFE) soldiers, originally trained in counter-insurgency and locating and apprehending drug cartel members. It is believed that they were originally trained at the military School of the Americas in the United States[10][11] and by other foreign specialists of the United States, France and Israel. They were trained in rapid deployment, aerial assaults, marksmanship, ambushes, small-group tactics, intelligence collection, counter-surveillance techniques, prisoner rescues and sophisticated communications.
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Postby ShinShinKid » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:40 pm

Mexico is a very interesting subject indeed. For what it's worth, we've already been at war with them, at least once...And it's rumored that they almost joined the Axis powers in WWII (my Mexican grandfather visited Germany, and never failed to tell the stories of being treated better than the other Americanich on the tour).

Will we speak of the abject terrorism that has been occurring for over ten years now in C.J. (Cuidad Juarez)? Or the pan-global criminally run border towns that are amok with crime, corruption, and violence?
If you would like to bring up the Aztecs, you'll have to understand they are but youngsters onto the scene.

I think the old douchebag Pofirio Diaz summed it up well, when he said something to the effect of "Ah Mexico...so close to God, but so far from the United States".

Religion, that is the factor that separates the two countries. The people have and will continue to rely on religion as the fatalistic determinant to their will. Power hungry priests, whether they be Christian, Indigenous, or nowadays evangelistic, continue to use the people in a model that would have Marx grinning like the Mona Lisa.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:45 pm

I have not been to Mexico for many years but my impressions after extensive travelling around it where that it was bursting with colour and life and surprises and the unexpected.

I remember
talking with friends about the great poverty I saw in one town, where in the market the rural people looked malnourished and filthy. I said I had never seen people this destitute. My friends HOWLED with laughter at this and informed me about how that is all a big act from the people around there in market day and that they were all wealthy farmers who were WAY wealthier than my (rich) friends!

talking with my friends about one town where the people were immaculately dressed and stylish and seemed really rich. My friends looked really sad and said "It's the reverse. The people there are very very poor indeed but will spend every penny on clothes to make themselves look prosperous"

seeing a Catholic clinic run by one Irish priest doctor and one local helper. I had never seen anyone so worn by caring for people. This village was full of American Cadillac's. It was a popular US second home. The Americans did NOTHING to help the village. The priest was mostly relying on donations from Ireland. There was no let up. He was the only cheap doctor for many miles.

the bluest skies I have ever seen

a sign that said "Dangerous Bends - Next 300 miles"

The scariest bus ride across the Sierra Madre Occidental and looking DOWN on clouds, with a sheer drop outside the bus window.

finding out that with the Aztec Two-Step, it IS possible to have projectile vomiting AND explosive shits SIMULTANEOUSLY!

thinking some parts of Mexico looked like Switzerland, other like Ireland, other like Bali.

meditating on a virgin white beach by myself all day, then seeing a tiny dot in the far distance, then seeing a man slowly making his way towards me then hours later he comes up to me and says
"HAY MAAAAAAN YOU WANNA BUY SOME ACEEEEEEED?"
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Postby justdrew » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:06 pm

Ciudad Juarez Banner Headline: "Not One Person Murdered Yesterday"


CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — "Not one person murdered yesterday," Ciudad Juarez's leading newspaper proclaimed in a banner headline. It was big news in this border city, ground zero in the drug war – the first time in 10 months that a day had passed without a killing.

But by the end of that day, Oct. 30, nine more people were riddled with bullets.

Violent death is a part of life in Ciudad Juarez, a seedy, dust-cloaked metropolis on the banks of the Rio Grande. Bloodied bodies hang from overpasses, and children walking to school stumble across hit men filling targets with lead.

While there's no definitive comparison of murder rates in cities around the world, there's no question Ciudad Juarez is now among the deadliest. It has had about 2,250 killings this year, a rate of 173 per 100,000 residents. That compares with 37 in Baltimore, the deadliest U.S. city with a population of more than 500,000.

The violence began in earnest in early 2008, when Sinaloa Cartel kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman and Juarez Cartel boss Vicente Carrillo Fuentes launched a deeply personal fight over drug routes their organizations had long shared. Both have lost family members in the fight, and have adopted increasingly brutal tactics as it drags on.

Thousands of troops and federal police rolled into the city by May 2008 to stop the violence, and this year President Felipe Calderon sent in even more, with more than 7,000 soldiers in place by March. The killings tapered off, but soon rebounded: As the drug seizures hurt traffickers' incomes, they turned to kidnapping, bank robberies and carjackings.

"The city is dying," said Daniel Murguia, president of the local chapter of the National Chamber of Commerce, who uses thick steel bars and surveillance cameras to protect his chain of laundromats.

"For Rent" signs cover the doors of the cavernous nightclubs that once drew thousands of revelers across the border from El Paso, Texas. Most Juarez youths – spooked by the shootouts at malls, bars and discos – socialize only in the safety of friends' homes.
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The only businesses that are thriving are funeral homes, opulent two-story buildings with mirrored-glass facades and gilded caskets that have handled twice as many victims of violence as they did in 2008 – and seven times more than in 2007.

Mothers tell daughters to run stoplights at night rather than risk being carjacked. Even in daylight, drivers dare not glance over at the next car, especially if it's an SUV with tinted windows and no plates. Newspaper hawkers hold front-page photos of tortured bodies to their windshields as a reminder to mind their own business.

This year's dead include university professors, an honor student and waiters caught in the crossfire when their customers were shot.

Even emergency rooms, where doctors try desperately to save the victims, are not immune. Dr. Alberto Rios was in surgery last month when gunmen barged in with assault rifles drawn, looking for two men wounded in an earlier shootout.

Doctors and nurses ran screaming for cover. Patients scrambled from their beds, taking their IVs with them. Some fainted.

The gunmen left after they couldn't find the men, who were armed and hiding in a bathroom.

"We all have a relative, a friend who has been killed," said Rios, whose 17-year-old nephew died in a shootout in July. "This won't end until one gang is in power."

For decades, Ciudad Juarez has been a magnet for poor Mexicans seeking work at massive factories that make flat-screen TVs, steering wheels and other goods bound for the U.S. That mix of opportunity and poverty fueled the killings of hundreds of women whose bodies were dumped in the desert, earning Juarez notoriety in the 1990s.

But the level of drug-related violence remained at a simmer until two years ago, when Mayor Jose Reyes told federal authorities about a conversation overheard in a bar: The Sinaloa and Juarez cartels were going to war.

That war broke out on Jan. 5, 2008, when five men were shot up with high-powered assault rifles in a span of hours. Within days, several police officers and nearly two dozen others were dead as well.

As the cartels moved beyond drugs, crime rates doubled in some cases, overwhelming the city's small, poorly equipped and corrupt police force, Reyes told The Associated Press.

Mexico's justice system was not ready either. Judges threw out cases for lack of evidence or because confessions were extracted by torture. Innocent people were jailed while murderers served time for lesser crimes such as arms and drug possession because prosecutors could not present convincing cases.

A retired general has since taken over the police force, purging it of corrupt cops and then doubling its size with military-trained officers who hit the streets about a month ago.

But residents are fed up. More than 1,000 people marched to city hall Sunday to demand local and federal officials take drastic actions to get results.

The Chamber of Commerce, which says 6,000 businesses have closed this year alone, has asked the United Nations to send in peacekeepers. Calderon rejected the idea, saying Mexico can handle its own problems.

Even so, the president acknowledges his anti-drug strategy has seen spotty results.

"There are areas of the country where we are clearly imposing the Mexican government's law, like Tijuana or Michoacan, for example," Calderon told the Televisa network. "There are other areas where that is not happening, like Ciudad Juarez."

On a recent afternoon, at one of the city's busiest intersections, four police officers from the state capital of Chihuahua City stopped for gas before heading to testify against Sinaloa Cartel members.

Hit men pulled up and fired nearly 100 rounds. Bullets ricocheted off the front of a convenience store across the street as some bystanders cried. An attendant at the gas station was killed, along with two of the officers.

A pair of students in school uniforms walked over to get a better view of the bodies lying next to the gas pumps.

"I've seen bodies near my house, on the way to school, outside my work," said Jose Luis Chavez, 17. "It's no longer weird to see dead people."
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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:18 am

The cancer is poverty and apathy.

Mexican police: Dozens freed from slave labor
Malnourished indigenous people, drug addicts found in clandestine factory


MEXICO CITY - Mexican police freed 107 people on Thursday who were imprisoned and forced to work in a clandestine factory in the capital, the prosecutor's office said.

Police raided the factory, which made clothing clasps, after several months of investigation following the complaint of a worker who had escaped from the facility.

Twenty-three people were arrested.

Signs of physical abuse
Mexican media reported the freed workers were suffering from malnutrition and showed signs of physical abuse.

Most were indigenous people from the south of the country and drug and alcohol addicts rounded up from Mexico City's streets, a spokeswoman for the city prosecutor's office said.

Some were lured into the factory with the promise of jobs. Investigators were also probing allegations that police officers helped round up some of those held in the factory during routine street patrols, Mexican media reported.

Mexicans trying to migrate to the United States are being increasingly targeted by Mexico's ruthless organized crime groups that have expanded into kidnapping and extortion in recent years.

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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:52 am

I seriously get this image that Ciudad Juarez is like the most evil violent plagued over the top crazy city in the world...something that resembles something out of a post apocalyptic movie.

Is there any new documentaries on that area? I mean I don't recall even Haiti's main cities being that violent per square mile. Maybe rivaling Ciudad Juarez is 2006 era Badhdad, but that was car bombs.

And what was really behind all those dead women found in Ciudad Juarez?

One can't help wonder if there is some sort of occult ritualistic aspect to this stuff going on in Mexico.
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Postby monster » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:34 pm

8bitagent wrote:One can't help wonder if there is some sort of occult ritualistic aspect to this stuff going on in Mexico.


True, especially given the fact that they literally worship Death... that has to have something to do with the evil going on.

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Postby barracuda » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:16 pm

They? I think we get more than a bit of that here, too, Mons.

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:33 pm

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Postby monster » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:59 pm

barracuda wrote:They? I think we get more than a bit of that here, too, Mons.


I don't understand what you mean.
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Postby barracuda » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:02 pm

I mean literally worshiping death, north of the border, in all it's forms, including that wacky dead guy nailed to a piece of wood. You know, All-American Necrophilia.
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