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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:32 pm

mentalgongfu2 wrote:also, without meaning to personally insult you, Jack, the persecution complex among self-avowed Obama supporters is getting a little old. It is beyond me how people like you and Professor Pan can see nuance in every other topic, particularly in your own views about Obama, but feel the need to view anyone who is more critical or less optimistic as demanding a black/white either/or choice.


I am not a self-avowed Obama supporter, thus illustrating precisely my point. And you're going to mention nuance when the OP casts Springsteen as the Nuremberg party rally? It's my point: I laugh off the Obama as Hitler nonsense, whereupon I'm declared his supporter, pro-war, etc. etc. (and lumped with Professor Pan, which for the moment doesn't bother me at all).

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Postby IanEye » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:46 pm

perhaps Mr. Yearsley is simply a disgruntled Philadelphia Eagles fan.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9_8vwx2w8]Aint no angel gonna greet me
It's just you and I my friend
My clothes don't fit me no more
I walked a thousand miles
Just to slip this skin

The night has fallen, I'm lyin' awake
I can feel myself fading away
So receive me brother with your faithless kiss
Or will we leave each other alone like this
On the streets of Philadelphia...
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx0E6EbpSn0]Now look at me, baby
Struggling to do everything right
And then it all falls apart
Oh, and out go the lights
I'm just a lonely pilgrim
I walk this world in wealth
I want to know if it's you I don't trust
'Cause I damn sure don't trust myself

So when you look at me
You better look hard and look twice
Is that me, baby
Or just a brilliant disguise

Tonight our bed is cold
Lost in the darkness of our love

God have mercy on the man
Who doubts what he's sure of...
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:56 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Gawd, JR. Fascism can be gruff voices and power chords.

Do you really have that big a blind spot to not know that the Uber Bowl is a Nuremberg Rally affirming power dominance (MILITARISM) and that 'The Boss' (or "Furher/Father/Padre") is one clueless asshole for adding his Telecaster masculinity and nationalist meme (New Jersey is America!) to the Nazi-ism?

Fuck Springsteen for adding his cred props and memetics to the bund.
"America goes to 11!"



Hugh, this was the 43rd Superbowl. Most of them since the 90s have involved bombastic rock shows at halftime (by increasingly bigger acts since U2 did it in 2002). All of them include militaristic tributes to those who serve. Eight Superbowls were held under the Bush regime. A bunch have been broadcast by FOX, and these always included a number of FOX-type "patriotic" additives in the TV coverage. I seem to remember a number that involved fly-overs by warplanes in synchronous flight.

In short, your words describe an undeniable aspect of the Superbowl, and of pro/college football: they enact tropes of fascism (regimentation, violence) and masculine dominance, they are a theater of war. They consciously collaborate with the military in the service of recruitment. This is largely how sports in general are deployed in this society, but it is nowhere as pronounced as with pro/college football and its annual high holy day.

Springsteen no doubt merits some criticism for giving in (after many requests) and playing a minor role in this particular pageant, on behalf of his commercial venture (a new album release). Except that he was a lot more fun than watching Petraeus do the coinflip, and delivered lyrics (in "Born to Run") that at least cast irony over the proceedings, even if no one's going to feel it that way because they're too busy rocking.

So your critique is true generally, and true of all Superbowls especially. And all of this has precious little to do with the article by Yearsley. I searched but have yet to find an example of Yearsley writing on any of the eight Superbowls held under Bush, or the outrageous use of sports in the post-9/11 propaganda, or the unbearably evil fact that the Superbowl held in the Superdome after Katrina included an official appearance by the fascist war criminal and genocidaire George H.W. Bush (alongside his buddy-bud, the similarly criminal Bill Clinton), whose wife had made the famous comment about how much better off the people of New Orleans were as refugees in Texas.

No. The thesis statement of Yearsley's article is not about the Superbowl per se, it is about Obama and Springsteen as his Nazi showmaster! To wit:

Springsteen’s Lincoln Memorial and Superbowl performances are the musical arch through which the Obama years have made their triumphal entry.


This is a selective, absurd and plainly hysterical thesis. It is not aimed at fascism or football, but specifically feeding the right-wing, Swiftboat hysteria around Obama as something even worse than Bush (when he is, whether you can stand it or not, something ever so lightly but not insignificantly better). As a completely unfounded absurdity, it's about an inch away from calling for Obama to finally cough up his foreigner's birth certificate, and serves a particular form of paranoia that, in point of fact, is at least as "fascist" and even more of a mystification than the Superbowl itself.

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Times They Are A-Changin': It's Dylan at West Point

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Times They Are A-Changin': It's Dylan at West Point

It could have been just another Bob Dylan concert, complete with sneering, pointed lyrics, jamming electric guitars and a few reflective ballads. But this time the hall was packed with future Army commanders.

Mr. Dylan, who galvanized the 1960's anti-war movement, played to a standing ovation Saturday night at the Dwight D. Eisenhower Hall theater at the United States Military Academy. Among the crowd of 4,020 were hundreds of vocal West Point cadets who were clearly in bliss from the music.

'Best Time I've Ever Had'

The clean-cut future officers, in their dress-gray uniforms, with military medals and patent leather shoes, danced in the aisles, shimmied their shoulders and pumped their arms in the air. Some accompanied the songs with riffs on imaginary guitars, still others pogoed up and down, and a few just smiled as they mingled with civilian ''groupies'' in tie-dyed T-shirts.

When Mr. Dylan played his most famous song, ''Blowin' in the Wind,'' at the end of the concert, many of the cadets stood, closed their eyes and quietly sang along.

''I've been here for four years, and this is the best time I've ever had,'' said Steven J. Cavioli Jr., a cadet. ''To get cadets to unleash is really something and Bob Dylan did it tonight. We're not politically agreeing with Bob Dylan. We're just shifting all that stuff aside and enjoying his music.''

This was Mr. Dylan's first appearance at West Point, and its announcement several weeks ago was met with a mixed, if muffled, reception.

No protest of the event occurred publicly, but many at the academy said friends and faculty had griped about the decision to invite ''that hippie'' to perform on the eve of General Eisenhower's 100th birthday.

Others were upset that the concert had been scheduled during the one fall weekend when cadets were allowed to leave the campus. On Saturday the academy was almost abandoned as a majority of the 4,400 cadets were visiting their homes.

The academy's cultural arts director, William Yost, said that he had hoped to schedule the event for homecoming weekend but that Mr. Dylan had not been available then. Only through chance was Mr. Yost able to find an available weekend: the Radio City Rockettes postponed their performance at West Point for Saturday, a date that Mr. Dylan was free.

From Opera to George Burns

Mr. Yost said he had been trying to bring Mr. Dylan to West Point for several years and was ecstatic about the show. ''We try to expose the cadets to a broad range of events, everything from opera to George Burns,'' he said. ''Dylan is a figure who has had an important impact over the last decade. There's no reason we wouldn't present him.''

Mr. Dylan's representative said the singer did not see Saturday's concert as anything out of the ordinary. ''Bob Dylan is doing pretty much the same thing that he has been doing for the last 30 years,'' Mr. Dylan's press agent, Elliott Mintz, said. ''The nature of the venue is not of great importance to Bob. He's just Bob.''

But many hard-core Dylan fans shook their heads in disbelief as they entered the auditorium, walking under banners for the Screaming Eagles (101st Airborne Division) and Hell on Wheels (Second Armored Division). They said the concert, in a setting they variously described as ''weird,'' ''bizarre'' and the ''belly of the beast,'' had a special intensity.

Lucian K. Truscott 4th, a graduate of West Point who wrote ''Dress Gray,'' a scathing portrait of life at the academy, said the event was ''extraordinary'' for the academy.

''About the most radical show that came there in my time was the Beach Boys,'' he said.

An 'Amazing' Idea

''What the place exists for - what it's done since 1802 - is to allow older officers to pass on the knowledge of how to exercise power,'' Mr. Truscott said. ''They socialize you so that when you're 45 or 50, you can be the national security adviser in the White House. The idea that they'd introduce Bob Dylan into that is amazing.''

Early in the show, people were up on their feet as Mr. Dylan performed ''Masters of War,'' a sharp criticism of political and military leaders. Cadets who were ushers for the show moved through the crowd, politely tapping people on the shoulder and asking them to sit down.

''It's like we're back in junior high,'' murmured one cadet who had been ordered to take his seat.

''We need to stay in formation,'' another said somewhat sarcastically.

After the song received only polite applause, Mr. Dylan moved quickly into his next number.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:38 pm

Springsteen the Decider decided to help promote and affirm this-
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This is why Der Boss has been invited to the Uber Bowl so often. MEMETICS. Despite his leftie lyrics, he's a macho nationalist brand.

Um, does this sound familiar?--

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/2 ... 62385.html

Asked who ultimately decides what songs will be played, Springsteen staked his claim as leader of the band.

"I'm the Boss! The Boss decides what we play!" he yelled. "Nobody else decides. People suggest. Hint. Beg. Cajole. But I decide."


JR, you're totally missing the significance of Springsteen choosing to inject his own nationalist macho memes just to promote his album at the fascist Uber Bowl. And he said that's why he did it, too.

Springsteen, for years, had turned down invitations to play the Super Bowl, unsure of the legitimacy of such a performance. After all, for many years the halftime show was made up of local and college marching bands and drill teams.

But Springsteen said the opportunity to promote the album, and the upgraded production team that has given the invitation a prestige factor, changed his mind.

"Initially, it was sort of a novelty and so it didn't quite feel right," he explained. "But it was just like, this is the year. ... Bands of our generation, you can sort of be seen on a stage like this or, like, not seen. There's not a lot of middle places. It is a tremendous venue."

The performance is expected to be a teaser for the upcoming tour
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Marketing. What a sell-out.

And the song, 'Born in the USA,' is a perfect example of anti-fascist Springsteen screwing up when he let the Republican Party use it.

The Republicans actually used that fist-pumping anthem at their convention to promote Ronald Reagan because the masses don't know the nuance, just the bold print title refrain which sounds like it ought to be Rambo's theme song or like John Cougar's Norman-Rockwell-with-power-chords song, 'Ain't That America.'

Want proof that most Americans don't know it is a protest song and that Macho is what they get from Der Boss?
Same pre-Uber Bowl interview article linked above-
Pittsburgh receiver Hines Ward said he was looking forward to the performance, and even had a song request.

"I love Bruce. I hope he plays 'Born in the USA.' He has a great voice when he says, 'Boorrrn,' " Ward said. "He has a lot of swagger about himself. He's very confident. When he's up there performing, it's all about him."


To add to Springsteen's Dupe of Fascism award, the song he wrote for the movie, 'The Wrestler,' went towards helping hype negative framing of ex-wrestler-Navy Seal-governor Jesse Ventura who has books out and is speaking out about 9/11 Truth, JFK, and everything in between.

Plus, the 'Old Soldier' who keeps on going meme which Springsteen actually spouts and represents is a US government psyops theme used for getting older recruits and keeping them hostage with 'stop-loss.' Hence the Older Rocky Who can Still Hit movie.

Springsteen:
"We've been on the road awhile. We're some old soldiers. But the band is still really burning...


His latest album title, 'Working on a Dream,' fits right into the nationalist propaganda about the mythic American Dream and the illusion that Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream'-speech has been realized under Saint Obama.

When any traces of the American Dream for farmers went into the toilet under Reagan this resulted in the Baseball-as-Religion psyops movie, 'Field of Dreams.' Hey-full circle back to the Uber Bowl.


SO...The whole point is that Memes Rule despite intent.
And not becoming a dupe takes some vigilance and willingness to not take an offered spotlight from fascism.
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Postby beeline » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:44 pm

What about when Green Day and U2 opened the NFL season in New Orleans in 2006?

The video that accompanied the music was filled with visuals of 'what should have happened' during Katrina, i.e. helicopters dropping food and water.

I found it to be very critical of the Bush/Cheney regime and their handling of Katrina.

Unfortunately, it's been pulled from youtube.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:53 pm

beeline wrote:What about when Green Day and U2 opened the NFL season in New Orleans in 2006?


Pulling more and younger viewers into the warrior culture of football is the strategy. It works for corporations and the Pentagon.

The video that accompanied the music was filled with visuals of 'what should have happened' during Katrina, i.e. helicopters dropping food and water.


Remember U2's stage prop of the Twin Towers coming down when they played the first Uber Bowl after 9/11?

Jeez. Dupes.
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Postby barracuda » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:54 pm

Ahhh, Springsteen's been sold out since the Time/Newsweek coverage in '75. He was born to sell out, i.e., make highly commercial music. That's where his talent is.

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:03 pm

Re: Since 1975 CIA media promotions.

"Born to Run" is one of the anchoring memes of military recruiting.

It is what propaganda science calls 'a secondary message' that supports the primary one.

- See the world
- Home sucks
- Adventure
...etc.
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Postby professorpan » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:05 pm

JR, you're totally missing the significance of Springsteen choosing to inject his own nationalist macho memes just to promote his album at the fascist Uber Bowl. And he said that's why he did it, too.


It's dipshit nonsense like this that keeps me away from this forum. Thanks, Hugh.
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Postby beeline » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:41 pm

I dunno. I don't think you can skewer a guy over 12 minutes in the Super Bowl when the rest of his career he's been an outspoken opponent of US imperialist policy.

So he's got a record to sell. Big deal. All artists compromise. It's the nature of the beast. Michaelangelo didn't paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel because he wanted to. He got paid.

And Hugh, obviously you've never been in a band. They are not democracies. More like kingdoms, with each member representing his own fiefdom.

So, yeah, he's The Boss. He writes the material. It's his band. It's how it works.

And barracuda, he's owned up to the fact that the Wal-Mart deal was the most regrettable mistake of his career. Thanks for the link to the Growin' Up video. I first heard that when I was 9, I remeber thinking, "this guy gets it."
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Postby IanEye » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:46 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:His latest album title, 'Working on a Dream,' fits right into the nationalist propaganda about the mythic American Dream and the illusion that Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream'-speech has been realized under Saint Obama.


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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:05 pm

Springsteen: The blandness of his message is matched only by the cheesiness of his 'product'. This is music as work, sweaty and effortful, reeking of testosterone and after-shave. The arrival of "The Boss" marked the birth of Classic Rack and placed a ten-ton tombstone on the grave of the Sixties. It's no wonder Obama Inc. chose him to provide the live* soundtrack to their perfectly-staged simulation of change, their smoothly-engineered commodification of hope.

barracuda wrote:He was born to sell out


When he made his first British appearance in 1975 I was a young teenager, and I can still remember the gazillion-dollar publicity campaign unleashed by Columbia Records at the time. There were screaming full-page ads in the NME and the MelodyMaker, asking (they thought rhetorically): "IS BRITAIN READY FOR BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN???" It provoked a torrent of replies, most of them obscene, some of them very funny and a few just plain furious.



He's probably a decent-enough guy, but he's certainly a tool. (No contradiction.) Very shortly after that London concert, punk arrived on the scene, and not for no reason. I think the Springsteen hype was the last straw.

If the CIA weren't behind his resistible rise, they might as well have been. For more than three decades now, he's been peddling the kind of "rebellion" that readers of Time and Newsweek have no trouble consuming on their lunch-breaks. "The Boss" is a proletarian for the managerial class.



Well, quite. Triumph of the Shill.



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Postby beeline » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:17 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
Very shortly after that came punk, and not for no reason.



And punk didn't sell out?

"God Save The Queen" was made its debut as a number-two selling record.

Talk about commidified rebellion.

And I'm sure The Clash never once charged anyone to see a performance. Or buy their records.

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Postby IanEye » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:30 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:He's probably a decent-enough guy, but he's certainly a tool. (No contradiction.) Very shortly after that London concert, punk arrived on the scene, and not for no reason.


and with Mac's revisionist take, we have come full circle:

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