chemtrail patterns maybe huge orgone energy patches

[waugs]

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jackass.
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Troll.

and so you are the appointed name caller now?

yes.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There's no such thing as "orgone."
This was Wilhelm Reich's failed hypothesis based on attempts to find the opposite of the debilitating effects of nuclear testing fall-out.

You don't know what orgone is, how it works or how it was first measured, so you are in no position to say there is no such thing as orgone.

You can't even get your facts right wrt the timeline of Reich's involvement with the USG and his coining of the term and the beginnings of his attempts to understand it. You should stop commenting on it till you understand the concept on its/Reich's terms, not yours, or Don Crofts (or Scott Stephens for that matter).

However Scott Stephens has very little cred. Some of the people he was 'mentored" by have been exposed as highly sus by Arcadia and ... someone else, you lot probably wouldn't know. I dunno if he's a hired disnfobot, but I'll bet anything his mentor was/is.

He(SS) did get some interesting results from some experiments he did measuring vortices in tornados years ago, but I never followed up looking at them so they could be as full of shit as much of what he says.

Mac i thought Reich voluntarily left the Communist party after seeing or hearing about the purges in Russia, pre WW2.

[wintler2]

George Ure failed the smell test for me years ago, the article lost me early with "you get used to the stable crop yields and quickly get past a point of no return." Show me anywhere with stable crop yields in last 20 years.

[ninakat]

George Ure failed the smell test for me years ago, the article lost me early with "you get used to the stable crop yields and quickly get past a point of no return." Show me anywhere with stable crop yields in last 20 years.

Good point. And if I hear "predictive linguistics" one more time, I think I'm gonna scream.

[catbirdsteed]

Hey seems, seems like we are up against some of the same elements of suppression and censorship here. I'm sure you recall some of the last two 'trail threads here, one of which I started. They went over like a lead Chemtrail in heavy gravity waves. But they usually seem to make a big splash when they land! This crowd has its charms and some of the strangest esoteric fluff and flop can get paraded about here with nary a second glance, or to too much hurrah. Not chemtrails, or even persistent contrails, but CHEMtrails and orgone on the same thread, oy! How can those of us who are still able to consider such possibilities do so here?

[Joe Hillshoist]

On edit added this:

George Ure failed the smell test for me years ago, the article lost me early with "you get used to the stable crop yields and quickly get past a point of no return." Show me anywhere with stable crop yields in last 20 years.

Yeah its a bit ridiculous.

he lost me at "time monk". If you are gonna write as if Terry pratchett Characters are real, you must at least be funny, and not in the ironic/moronic way he's being funny.

Of course torndaos are attracted to bits of metal on wood, and thats why they are at the farm in Cali when no where else in cali gets many tornados. Not cos of the structure of the country and the prevailing weather conditions. Same for trailer parks, cos they'd never be built in the cheapest (and I assume most tornado prone) land, would they. No chance.

Idiots like him are not much different than people like hugh when it comes to orgone. Everyone wants to put their own interpretation on it.

Including me.

I will say that it seems more related to chi, and things like sex magic than it does to quantum physics, (tho there may be some correlation between birth and zero point energy we are yet to formalise, but ... you know really, thats complete speculation with little basis in anything.) I doubt building chembusters and HHGs will actually heal the chi damage that happens when organic ecosystems are disruptred. Anyone who thinks they will doesn't understand what they are talking about IMO.

"So let me ask you something," I said to my friend, "You know how there's all kinds of research that has been done in the field of inorganic chemistry about precipitating out solids from high mole liquids, right? Well, this gets me to wondering if anyone has ever done a really in-depth cataloging or how inorganics could 'precipitate out' inside the human body? I mean think about it: What if that polio vaccine you received 50 years ago just sits around dormant until you ingest or inhale some new chemical introduced into the foodchain and that starts a slow-motion precipitation or either plaque on arterial walls, or maybe something like Morgellons is a precipitate-induced something...just a thought, but what do you think?

Interestingly enough there is story by Stanislaw Lem that explores similar territory to this. Its called the Chain of chance I think. Makes alot more sense as a story than Morgellons does tho.

Yep, chain of chance, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chain_of_Chance

[Joe Hillshoist]

Hey seems, seems like we are up against some of the same elements of suppression and censorship here. I'm sure you recall some of the last two 'trail threads here, one of which I started. They went over like a lead Chemtrail in heavy gravity waves. But they usually seem to make a big splash when they land! This crowd has its charms and some of the strangest esoteric fluff and flop can get paraded about here with nary a second glance, or to too much hurrah. Not chemtrails, or even persistent contrails, but CHEMtrails and orgone on the same thread, oy! How can those of us who are still able to consider such possibilities do so here?

Sorry, censorship?

WTF are you talking about?

No ones censoring you, SLAD or anyone else. Just disagreeing or saying you and/or anyone else are full of shit. (edited for clarity).

If there was censorship we wouldn't be reading about those things and responding, cos they would be censored.

If you think disagreement is censorship it can only be cos you know you have the truth, and anyone who doesn't recognise that is against you or something. Maybe people who think like that should be censored, but they aren't here.

[catbirdsteed]

Well, Joe, I certainly was not referring to you. What I see here is not disagreement, but it seem gracious of you to frame it that way. But how can you claim with a straight face that "no one is saying that anyone is full of shit" in light of the namecalling and monkeyfarting? Not proper censorship per se but it amounts to the same by default because the topic that the originator of the thread set up cannot ,in effect, be discussed. (et and Hugh seem to have a lot on the ball, and I have no idea if they see eye to eye on things in general. but...) My impression is that is exactly what the anti chemtrial-topic agents and, and also the anti woo agents want to impose: A LACK OF DIALOG on this topic. ( I know, I know. They have been down that road, or knew better to ever have gone there... and are simply trying to save us the trouble)

But I don't know, perhaps I'm paranoid from having seen the Matrix too many times or read too much David Icke. Or Wilhelm Reich. (I could just as easily insert John Keel or Jacques Vallee here, but I don't want to pander to the sacred cows of RI, bless their souls!)

[Joe Hillshoist]

Nah I was saying that some people are saying other people are full of shit.

That happens on this website in just about every topic, at some point or other. Its not censorship tho. And it doesn't amount to the same thing.

You can discuss the topic afterward if you like. You can ignore the posters or respond to them if you want. (With either name calling or facts that back up your argument, peole do both here too.)

I've been up for a sensible discussion on orgone for ever here.

I want a discussion tho, I am well over the dogma that orgone is non existant, and just as over the dogma that it repels shape shifting reptillians. Both are ridiculous.

Everyone knows how i feel about chemtrails. I have nothing more to say about them. You can talk about them all you want. I have nothing more to add. (Thats not censorship either.) I have been down that road. You knock yourself out. I want nothing more to do with it, at least here in this context.

Neither Hugh nor Arcadia is saying you can't talk about that, tho maybe they would if they had the power to. They are both offering their opinion. Completely valid in Arcadia's case in this thread, as the individual opinion the OP is offering belongs to the person Arcadia criticised. Challenge those criticism if you think they are unfair. I don't tho.

There is no threat to you continuing to comment and discuss this issue coming from either Arcadia or Hugh. I don't undersdtand why you seem to think there is anything special about their objections, given the way people disagree at this place.

However I don't see how there can ever be a dialogue on this topic(Well cts anyway). Its an either or proposition, and that comes from dogmatic chemmies as much as anywhere else. In many cases its just another form of fundamentalism, --> agree or else.
That is not a dialogue.

Some people who "believe in chemtrails" refuse to listen to other POVs no matter conciliatory they try to be and no matter what bridges people try to build... And again, not wanting a part of that is not censorship.

[norton ash]

Okay, I know what I've seen. I live in an inexplicably high-contrail-grid remote geographical area... only one major airport within a 500-mile radius. I can see the trails of trans-polar flights way the hell up there.

And yet I have seen repeated patterns of low trails and criss-cross about 90-120 kms north of here, and there is no military base or rational explanation to it all. The Anishnawbek and locals say it's been going on for a long time, and just say it's "Army planes."

All I can say is go figure. I don't know.

[Penguin]

Well, for once Im speechless.
Joe are you accepting PMs at all or did I just waste some of my ramblings into null bit space?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Nah I was waiting for you to reappear...

Check your inbox in about 20 minutes.

(edit) er 40 minutes.

I just started cooking dinner.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Scott Stevens is a hired US government disinfoteer muddying up global warming and cloud-seeding programs.

Can you prove this, cause you're as out of your element talking about this stuff as SLAD is mentioning it.

I'm not sure why you keep championing this cloud-seeding garbage, but I don't think you really know what the hell you're talking about here.

Stevens is the worst kind of disinfoteer: the kind that believes his own retarded bullshit. Why should an evil, back door Shadow Gov pay the guy when he drives his own piss-poor agenda without their assistance?

When you can prove to me that he's on the payroll, I'll change my stance. Till then, he's a fucking nutball just like everyone else that wastes their time and brains on this totally fucking stupid subject..

[Et in Arcadia ego]

My impression is that is exactly what the anti chemtrial-topic agents and, and also the anti woo agents want to impose: A LACK OF DIALOG on this topic.

Hey, I have a great idea!

Why don't you go start a fucking chemtrail forum!!

Or an Orgone forum!!

Or an Ogotrail forum!!

Or any other cruddy form of Conspirotainment forum!

Seriously, you can toot your own horn all day long and infect yourself and everyone around you with all the bullshit you want, but as far as doing it here, you're one step away from accusing me of being a 'disinfo agent' and if you cross that line you're gonna have to slap your toothbrush up against the windmill somewhere else.

Got it?

Cool.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Somehow I think you already DO have your own forum, eh..?

How's your mom doing, Socrates? Did your investment in Planters Peanuts get screwed up with this peanut butter fiasco?