Crop Circles: Could they ALL be made by human action?

[catbirdsteed]

There is not a single pattern on this sheet that couldn't be constructed with just a pencil, a pushpin, and a scrap of string. No computer necessary. After all, that's pretty much how they built the Alhambra in the fourteenth century:

But one hundred meters long? I'm not at all curious how they can be done on a page- that's pretty obvious-, and only slightly curious as to how they can be photoshopped to look like an "authentic" circle.

What want to know is how the profoundly intricate esoteric designs can be made in a field, in a matter of an hour (reportedly, much less) while leaving distinct evidence of microwave inundation.

[barracuda]

The bigger the design execution, the easier it is to move about, and the less chance of a "rough" looking outcome. The designs of crop circles are hardly "profoundly intricate", though it no longer surprises me when I hear people say that, as the bar on "profundity" has been profoundly lowered of late. How "profoundly intricate" do they appear next to a few square feet of high-end fourteenth century Islamic stone-cutting? Not very.



When the crop circles begin to approach what people could do with stone and pencils seven hundred years ago, I'll begin to be impressed.



I kinda like the weak-ass crappy ones better than the good ones these days. They seem closer somehow to a true "devil's circle".



Could you cite some of the microwave evidence? Have you found one yet in a virgin field? Who says they appear in less than one hour?

[barracuda]

Would it really be so surprising to discover elevated levels of microwave innundation in a field such as this one:



The Chilbolton Observatory in the corner there transmits radiation from both radar and lidar and who knows what else.

Radar and lidar share many similarities although there are many differences in technology and terminology between the 2 techniques. Both are active techniques, i.e. a beam is transmitted from the instrument, scattered from atmospheric constituents and finally detected at the instrument. In both techniques either continuous or pulsed transmitted beams can be used.

For some great information on crop circles in general, try Wombaticus Rex' Brainsturbator series:

http://www.brainsturbator.com/articles/ ... p_circles/

[brainpanhandler]

I never did get the SUPER Spirograph. All I had was the original.

LOOK! Super designs in larger sizes and different exciting shapes. Bigger's always better.

[brainpanhandler]

Now you and your drinking buddies go buy lotsa (booze), rope and maybe find some sticks with pointed ends.

[catbirdsteed]

[brainpanhandler]

That's about exactly what I imagine the rope and board trick would produce. Yes? What do you think the center of one of these circles should look like if the board and rope technique is employed?

[catbirdsteed]

Synopsis:

The truth behind one of the greatest mysteries. It's almost 30 years since the first crop circles appeared in the Hampshire countryside. They made FrontPage news around the world, perplexing and inspiring millions of people. UFOs, demons, tornadoes, hedgehogs and Mother Earth herself have all been identified as the force behind the formations, but the reality is perhaps more incredible. The circles are made by ordinary, if talented, people, working through the night in small teams, usually equipped with nothing more sophisticated than planks of wood, rope and tape measures. Despite being responsible for some of the most celebrated artworks of the 20th century - iconic creations that have appeared on countless TV programs, films, adverts, album covers and even tattoos - the artists behind the crop circles have always refused to claim authorship of their work. Now, for the first time, the team behind some of the most spectacular formations of the past 20 years, whose work has appeared all across the UK, the USA, New Zealand and Continental Europe, are ready to reveal their secrets. "The Field Guide" is sure to fascinate anyone with an interest in the paranormal, pop culture and contemporary art. And you can't say that about many books!
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Although it may matter little, perhaps you have noticed that I can and do present evidence and anecdote that runs counter to my point. I have done this in most of the quixotic, contentious threads that have started. Perhaps it is pissing in the wind to present such counter arguments, perhaps it is indicative of my lack of solid perspective. Perhaps it is part of why I can give up easily in such a situation as this.


the following three look like they would be hard to lay as such by hand and foot, but WTF do i know, i have not tried:








this last one is supposedly from an alleged hoax. It looks pretty outlandish and unlikely to have been created from stomping and such. but that is what the author of the website claims, and he is not a debunker. Really 'cuda I hardly have a leg to stand on here, don't have the energy to find it, and will stop wasting your time. I don't think I will find a pic of a field without tram lines. I may be able to find mature fields -sans 'circles- without tram lines, but have not looked yet. Thanks for gettin' involved.
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[elpuma]

Two crop-circle experts die within hours of each other

The crop circle community has been left stunned after two of its leading lights died within hours of each other.

Dorset investigator and conference organiser David Kingston passed away last week after a year-long battle with cancer.

Meanwhile, the body of crop circle investigator Paul Vigay was found on the Hampshire coast at Southsea.

Mr Kingston was a prominent organiser in the crop circle and UFO research fields, running one of the biggest website and holding a prominent annual conference in Dorchester.

The 70-year-old began full-time UFO research in 1976 and began investigating crop circles in the late 1980s. The Dorchester conferences began in the mid 1990s, after he started lecturing on UFOs, crop circles and conspiracy theories.

The conferences scheduled for this spring and summer were cancelled when Mr Kingston's health took a turn for the worse recently.

Fellow researcher and friend David Haith said: "His wife Mary and his family were at his bedside.

"He was a tireless worker for truth and through his website, conferences and lectures, encouraged a great number of people to go on their own explorations of the mysteries of the universe.

"Now David is en route to uncovering one of the greatest mysteries of all and we wish him a fond bon voyage on his last great journey," he added.

Mr Kingston, from Weymouth, said he first saw UFOs while serving with the RAF all over the world, and found his true calling when links were made between the new phenomenon of crop circles and UFOs in the late 1980s.

His conferences hosted lectures by the world's most prominent experts on UFOs and crop circles, including the British Government's former UFO investigator Nick Pope and Troggs frontman Reg Presley.

Another to have lectured at the Dorchester spring conferences was Paul Vigay, a mathematician and computer expert who became one of the leading lights of the crop circle world.

His body was found on the shore at Southsea, near Portsmouth, last Thursday – police say the circumstances surrounding his death are not suspicious.

Mr Vigay, 44, was well known in the fields of Wiltshire and renowned among crop circle devotees as an expert at decoding the hidden meanings in crop circle patterns. "Paul was one of the brightest stars in the crop circle universe," said circle photographer and researcher Lucy Pringle.

"A talented mathematician, computer technician and a maker of electronic gadgets, he was one of the first researchers into the crop circle phenomenon in the early 1990s, where his talents were quickly recognised.

"He had an exceptional gift for investigation and often led the field in deciphering the mathematical aspects found in certain crop circles. He was amazingly articulate and he had a rare knack of being able to explain technical details in the simplest language. He has made a major contribution to the subject and his place will not be easily filled," she added.

Mr Vigay's friend of 23 years Claire Diestler, 39, from Bedhampton, said she visited him for a cup of coffee last Tuesday. She said: "He was absolutely fine, that's why I am so shocked. There was absolutely no indication that anything was wrong. In fact he was quite jokey. We all feel a bit guilty having seen him.

"We are all worried we did not pick up on something.'

Mrs Diestler added: "He was really interested in UFOs and anything a bit unusual like crop circles.

"He used to go to Wiltshire quite a lot to take photographs of them. He was really popular and had a lot of friends. He was very funny and we always had some great laughs," she said.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/crop-circle-experts-die-hours/article-723573-detail/article.html

[barracuda]

Perhaps it is part of why I can give up easily in such a situation as this.

There's no real point in giving up. Obviously I wouldn't have formed the opinions I have if I hadn't been interested enough to read and think about it. It was actually a poster on this forum, Lord Balto, who pointed out in an earlier thread that the circles are consistently accessible via tractor tracks, and I found that difficult to argue. Nevertheless, Vallee pointed to the nearby scientific and military installations in the area surrounding that part of England as possible culprits, and seemed to consider that beam weapon calibration was a possible motive in the construction. His most salient point, I think, in the article I linked to was regarding circle makers Doug Bower and Dave Chorley:

What is suspicious about the two older men's "confession" is that it appeared simultaneously on the front pages of international papers and on CNN the same day. Any published author familiar with the difficulty of getting media attention will know that it takes a very powerful public relations firm to get a story to the front page of the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, Le Figaro and many other papers the same day. Where did the two pensioners get the kind of clout that would spin their claim around the planet? The result was instantaneous: The press and, more importantly, most scientists lost all interest in the story for 10 years.

So I think there are some questions as to the "why" that are more important than the "how".

Really 'cuda I hardly have a leg to stand on here, don't have the energy to find it, and will stop wasting your time.

You're not wasting my time at all. I think there are nooks and crannies around the subject that bear investigation. I just like to get my most obvious objections to some of the often asked questions out of the way early and see what happens next.

[operator kos]

This site on crop circles has been recommended to me to some UFO researchers: http://www.bltresearch.com

and two short interviews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIj_Hut4lok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUyDUgSZTYg

My knowledge of this subject is rather limited, but Nancy Talbott & Co. seem to take a rigorous scientific approach to it. In "real" crop circles, they have found interesting radiation and mutations in both plants and soil. FWIW.

[catbirdsteed]

[catbirdsteed]

More from the "couldn't possibly be true" dept., deep in the fringes of my mind, relating (of course) to the alleged project in the first post of this thread...

What is the Blue Beam Project?
by David Openheimer
zianet@interserv.com

It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the reemmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have the potential for changing the planet into oneness with God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow become God in human form and control other Men and dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating satellites (star wars). These projectors will project simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are instantly rendered moot. They can also project images of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will coordinate the satellites and software will run the show-and-tell.

Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical phenomena.

Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple holographic images to different parts of the planet, each receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of space, astonished followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike realness.

The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge into ONE after "correct explanation" of the mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This "ONE GOD" will in fact function as the "Anti-Christ", who will "explain" that the various scriptures "have been misunderstood"- that the religious of old are responsible for turning brother against brother, nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to make way for the GOLDEN AGE (NEW AGE) of the One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them.

Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day ?

But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to get to Project Blue Beam.

1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaological knowledge. It deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally explain (for them) that the meanings of the basic doctrines of all the world`s major religions are "wrong." This falsification will be used to make the population believe that all religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odessy, the TV-series STAR TREK, the STAR WARS films, E.T., all of which deal with space "invasion" and "protection". JURASSIC PARK, was to push the theory of evolution.

2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, according to its predetermined original national religious faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an exemple, the Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their studies of the anatomy and biology of the human body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of the humain brain. These computers have also been fed with the different languages of the world.

3: The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the earth through the insides of their brains, making each person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his owm soul. Such rays, from satellite, are fed from the memory of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. These rays will then interlace and interweave with the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK.

4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using electronic means. This step contains three different orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false attack. The second is to make the "christian" believe that a major rapture is occurring, with a simple "played" divine imtervention of an alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves (frequencies) used at that time will allow supernatural forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable,electric and telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment and appliances that will by then all have a special microship installed. The goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A "NEW MESSIAH" TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY COST, EVEN AT THE COST OF FREEDOM.

[operator kos]

JURASSIC PARK, was to push the theory of evolution.

[barracuda]

I love Project Bluebeam conceptually, but pragmatically I think all you need to establish peace at any cost, even the cost of freedom, is a few guns and a new kind of cheeseburger wih curly fries. Besides, anyone who's read Watchmen is innoculated.