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Postby Penguin » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:04 pm

marmot wrote:As a young man I too have had a series of mystical experiences - not nec. 'a becoming one with the universe' but an experiential realization that 'I am one with the universe,' that we are all one with all space and time. And it does seem that only those who have had such an experience know what this truly means. Otherwise such a claim is seen as madness to the educated classes. And so naturally throughout my life I've never been surprised at all the wonderful synchronistic happenings that occur within our universe. In fact, I see the Divine hand in it, playing with us, telling with us and to us a wonderful story, portraying His absolute sovereignty and wisdom and love in the sychronistic narrative unfolding within His creation. As a chosen child of the Creator I see His signature in the cosmic happenings of everything, having been "predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11).

Here's to apple pies and to the One who inspired the poet David to write: "O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!" -Psalm 34:8


Wow!
Ive told this before here too in some thread I am sure, but since you said that Ill tell it again.

My first such experience was when I was maybe 16 or so. Then I was still a straight edge pretty regular youth. I had been at the library (I was there a lot) reading a science mag, article about string theory and many worlds theories etc. I had a funny feeling while I contemplated that.

Started to walk home. Suddenly, mid step, something happened. I described it at the time as "I ceased to be" - my separate I was no more. I was everywhere, and there was no time - only eternal, everywhere, sense of light and space. The experience lasted maybe a second "in time", I felt lightheaded for hours afterwards.

That alone wouldnt have been so weird. But a little later I met a girl I really liked, and we dated for a little while. While I was by her horse stables, outside talking, the same thing happened to me again. I did not exist. I had the same weird sensation in my head. At that moment, the girl stops speaking, looks into my eyes, and says "Im sorry, but you do not exist." As she said this, I felt a tingling along my spine and back of the head, almost an audible "whoooo"... I told her what happened then.

Years later, I lived in another town, the girl lived maybe 200 km from there. I hadnt seen her in over a year, nor thought of her much. I was home after work, relaxing in a comfy chair, and suddenly I think of her. "I must call her now! I wonder how she is doing..." I look up the number, and call. She answers immediately, and delightedly yells "Guess what you just did! Its so cool, guess what you did now!"

I ask her to tell, and she says that she was just cleaning up at home, and found a cassette I had recorded for her years earlier, and hand-crafted the covers with paint, coloured paper and glue (old Tangerine Dream), and she had put the cassette playing, and started thinking about how I might be doing. At the very same moment. I get the urge to call her right now. Greatest thing was we both realized it, and the thought/feeling bridge that connected.

Hugh, :tiphat:
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Postby Zap » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:04 pm

Dang it Hugh, I was hoping from your silence in other threads that you'd come around and realized you were being silly about me. Guess not.

I mean ... seriously. Do you really think that I (or my CIA handlers) invented or orchestrated such an event as my finding those teapots?

Just to help in a tiny way to "pull the woo over your eyes"? (dang, that's pretty good, you can use it if you want.)

Do you really find it more likely that all such reported experiences are evidence of CIA manipulation than that they really happen - and might indicate forces far more strange than the CIA could be at play?

I think its more likely that the PTB would want to dismiss, suppress, and distort the notion that all is one, that distinctions are arbitrary, that we all are god etc ... it's a lot easier to manipulate those still deep in the Maya, I reckon.

I'm not much into the connection between synchronicity and conspiracy theories myself, but the "synchromystics" are ... here's what prominent dude in that field, Jake Kotze, has to say on the matter:

"This suggests, in my view, a non-local intelligence guiding the affairs of the universe rather than conscious tomfoolery on the part of a human agencies such as conspiring Hollywood magickians. The embedding of symbolism is too well orchestrated, subtle and concise. The noisy plotting and scheming of the human mind doesn't directly create the phenomena charted by synchromysticism. The patterns found emanate from the same force that organizes uncountable numbers of snowflakes into unique (all being appreciably different) but certainly not individual (all comprising six way geometry) forms. The same force that animates this very moment you read this sentence, the moment of present awareness that is inseparable from who you are."


From that same article, the author (not Kotze) says:

Some conspiracy researchers have a cynical view towards synchromysticism because they consider it too "new-agey" – a diversion or escape from more important issues. Such arguments may be missing the point because synchromysticism is not a substitute for para-political investigation, but rather a fascinating aspect of it. The objective of such research is to seek the truth no matter where it leads. If one discovers obvious, conspicuous synchronistic patterns, those facts shouldn't be ignored or dismissed simply because they have no standard rational explanations. Synchromysticism doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of manipulations by secret societies or criminal elites, but it offers a glimmer of hope because it implies that even conspirators themselves might not have complete understanding of, and control over, situations or their outcomes. It can be beautiful and comforting to realize the universe might be conscious, as opposed to a lifeless mechanistic construct, at a time when the reductive materialist paradigm seems to be leading us into a dead end.


(I used to kinda hate "synchromysticism," until I read the above and stuff like it - making it clear that the "mysticism" in the word wasn't totally abused and misused, afterall. I still don't know that I'd call the kind of free-associated correlations and resonance "synchronicities" but that's really just semantics ...)
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Postby Penguin » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:08 pm

I thought Hugh meant he noted the idea.
I may be wrong.

Hope Im not :)

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Postby Zap » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:32 pm

Ah, I hadn't considered that - from the passage he bolded and my past experiences on here with HMW, I assumed he was adding it to his file of evidence that I am some kind of synchrodisinfoteer ... I'd be happy if I was wrong!

Penguin, I loved your personal synchronicity story, I hope others will share theirs.

This spring I decided to take the "synchronicity log" I've been keeping for the last few years and and make it a blog, to help solidify the reality of this for myself*, to share the wonder of this with others, and to open up new potential connections, for more wonder and coinci-dancing to flow through ...

*(I come from an intensely hardcore rationalist/reductionist background and I've struggled ridiculously with internalizing the lessons that the universe has repeatedly tried to give me)

So if anyone is interested, here's my synchronicity blog. Would love any feedback or thoughts - even from those who suspect that it's all disinfo.

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Postby Penguin » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:45 pm

Is anyone able to find the thread that was about "share your weirdest experiences" or "your 10 strangest.." or something along those lines...I dont remember the exact name and I cant find it. I think that one had some relevant ones.
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Postby Perelandra » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:43 pm

Dangit, I just saw it recently by accident, Pen. If I can find it, I'll link here.
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Postby Zap » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:48 pm

Oh yeah, I saw that thread the other week doing a search for "mothman":

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=17027

Also found this relevant thread when I went looking:

acausal / synchronistic : http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... ht=mothman
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Postby Perelandra » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:48 pm

Username wrote:So, dear and patient readers, my quodlibet is this: Although my breakup catalyzed what an external observer may at first grunt judge to be a breakdown, from my point of view the only breakdown was the delusion that I was in control of my life. All the walls -- of identity, ambition, and security, of any illusion that I knew who I was, or where I was, or that I had any clue at all what was happening in life -- all of this collapsed like an obsolete civilization and permitted eternity to course through me as never before. Insofar as apocalypse derives from the Greek apokalyptein, meaning "to unveil," this was some version of my personal apocalypse, and since apocalypse is the etymological antonym of hell, which derives from the Latin helan, meaning "to veil," the only thing to mourn was the liberation from my own illusions. In a similar fashion, this is what we're facing when we worry about the collapse of our social structures. Despite our roads and skylines, despite our bridges and our borders, despite our military-industrial complexes and hyper-corrupt transnational corporations, society does not actually exist anywhere but the human mind. As a mental construct, society provides us with a shared illusion of meaning, purpose, and order, and it stabilizes our existence thereby, but paraphrasing Terence McKenna, society is not our friend. At best it is what Aldous Huxley referred to as a reducing valve to our perception, and at worst it is what Robert Anton Wilson called "the devil's masquerade," a Luciferian diversion from the truth of existence.

I enjoyed that article, Username.

I just sailed through a synch storm. Very exciting. Today all is calm.
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Postby Penguin » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:00 pm

Thank you.
Yep, that quote says it well.
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Postby psynapz » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:38 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
Zap wrote:perhaps a lot of the strange coincidences that can be found between popular culture media and world events are not CIA/PTB manipulation,

Noted.


Don't be an absolutist. At least some co-incidences between pop-culture media and world events are not a direct result of CIA manipulation, though some, probably most in fact are.

Some synchronicities you pick up are only because your mind is biased towards them, and some others are the product of either the collusion of other human minds, or holographic (intra-dimensional) effects produced by more complex intelligence than we possess, but the shadow of the presence of which has become unmistakable.

Some.
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Postby stefano » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:08 am

The nearest thing I've had to a kind of Kundalini experience was a long time ago, just before my final maths exams in school (geometry). We were playing touch rugby in between exam sessions, and one guy, who had a heart condition, got hit hard in the chest and fell down and went into convulsions. They called an ambulance then we had to go into the hall for the exam, we only found out afterwards that he'd died on the way to the hospital. At one moment I had this sudden feeling that I was close to total understanding of everything, that it was all about to make sense. I later read about the phenomenon, called presque vu, nice name for it. Then another part of my mind brought me back to the exam questions, and I haven't had it again.

When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
the child has grown
the dream has gone


Strangely, perhaps, that was just before I went into full-blown sceptical atheist mode, devouring Dawkins and EO Wilson and looking for the materialist explanation which I thought I would have if I read enough. This lasted a few years, actually until I started taking mushrooms. I used acid a few times when I was young but never got anything mystical from it, it was too hard and chemical, I find it more dissociative than uniting. Mushrooms are a different story, and since those days I've been more into the woo, reading about the Perennial Philosophy in all its guises. I meditate in the morning, and it helps me in the world, though I don't know if I'll have one of those presque vu's again. I wish I could. The synchronicities have definitely picked up in pace, though, and some days seem effortless, things just fall into place.
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Postby Penguin » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:28 am

psynapz wrote:Don't be an absolutist. At least some co-incidences between pop-culture media and world events are not a direct result of CIA manipulation, though some, probably most in fact are.

Some synchronicities you pick up are only because your mind is biased towards them, and some others are the product of either the collusion of other human minds, or holographic (intra-dimensional) effects produced by more complex intelligence than we possess, but the shadow of the presence of which has become unmistakable.

Some.


Yeah.

http://www.mossdreams.com/text/2008.05% ... 20time.htm

Dreaming into the Aboriginal Dreamtime

“Those who lose the Dreaming are lost.”

- Koori saying

Aboriginal Australians believe that we dream our way into this world, and dream our way out of it.

“We talk to the spirit-child before a baby is born,” naturopath and traditional healer Burnham Burnham explained it to me. If the father-to-be is a dreamer, he is frequently the one who first meets the spirit-child in dreams. These dream encounters often unfold at places of water that exist in the natural world – a billabong, the shallows of a river, a waterfall – where the spirit-child plays with its own kind and is not confined to a single form. It can appear as a kingfisher or a platypus, as a fish or a crocodile. The dreamer may have to negotiate with the spirit-child, giving it reasons for coming into a human body. Finally, the dreamer plays soul-guide, escorting the incoming spirit to the mother’s womb.

On the way to death, the soul-guide appears from the other side. Departed loved ones and ancestral beings who are at home in the Dreamtime come calling, in dreams, to prepare a dying person for his or her journey. When the spirit leaves the body in death, these guides from the Dreamtime escort it along the roads to the afterlife, which may involve a sea crossing, descent through a cave, and/or the ascent of a magical tree whose roots are in the World Up Top.

Aboriginal dreaming is an antidote to Freud, who wrote that the dream “has nothing to communicate to anyone else”. The first Australians know that dreaming means everything and is a highly social activity. We meet other people and other beings when we go dreaming, and sharing dreams is not a matter of puzzling over obscure “texts” but a source of wisdom, community guidance and grand entertainment. Among nomad communities, listening to a dream by the camp fire, or over a morning cup of tea, is better fun than going to the movies, and may run the whole gamut from romance to horror, from Star Trek to soaps.

The 500-plus Aboriginal tribes of Australia share this understanding: a dream is a journey. When we dream, “the spirit goes on walkabout”, says Nungurrayi, a wise woman of the Kukatja, a people of the Western Desert. A powerful dreamer, she explains, is a person who knows how to open the tjurni, travel – in spirit – to interesting places, and bring back a “good story.” [1] Tjurni is usually translated as “womb” or “abdomen”. For those of us familiar with chakra work, it may be helpful to think of it as the second chakra. The dream journey is powered by the same energy that is discharged in sex. The female dreamer opens her womb or vagina; the male dreamer projects a magical cord from his penis or testes and uses it to climb to another realm.

If you know that your dream is a journey, or a visitation by another dream traveler, then you are unlikely to be interested in the kind of analysis that reduces dream experiences to a list of symbols and then interprets what the symbols mean. When traditional Aborigines share dreams, they want to know who, when and where. Who was that sorcerer I saw pointing the bone at me? Who was that person who came to my camp and wanted sex with me? Where is the cave where the dream ceremony took place? When will the car break down?

When you know that a dream is a real experience, then you want to get the information clear in order to figure out what to do with it. Maybe you’ll want to tell that dream of the sorcerer all over the camp to scare away the actual sorcerer, as anthropologist Sylvie Poirier saw done in the Western Desert. Maybe you’ll get together with your dream lover (if the experience was pleasant) or find a way to prevent that person from intruding on your psychic space (if it was not). Perhaps you’ll travel to the dream cave, and celebrate a ritual to confirm and honor what has already taken place, in the Dreaming. Maybe you’ll get your car fixed before it breaks down.

The Yolngu of northeast Arnhem Land view dreams as a field of interaction between the living and the dead. This can be helpful when the encounter is with the higher spirit of the departed, or a benign ancestor, but dangerous when the contact is with the lower aspect of the departed, known as the mokuy. The Yolngu are very clear about something that is almost hopelessly confused in contemporary Western society: the need to distinguish the different nature and destiny of at least two aspects of soul or spirit that survive the death of the body, and to handle them accordingly.[2]

Aboriginals look to dreams as the place of encounter with spiritual guides and sacred healers, who often appear as totem animals but may come in many other forms.

Since the missionaries arrived, Aboriginal dream visitors often include Jesus and the angels. A Yolngu woman dreamed that the Hero Sisters – the mythic founders of her people – came to her dancing, resplendent in lorikeet feathers, and were joined by a smiling Jesus Christ. Together, they showed her a place of power, used for a fertility rite in earlier times, that had been forgotten by her community, and urged her to make it a place of worship again. [3] One of the messages of the dream seemed to be that, if we go to the living heart of religion, there need be no conflict between traditions.

Aboriginal Australians are well aware that dreaming can be active; you can decide where you are going to go, and you can go consciously. You can travel across time and space, or into other dimensions. You can rendezvous with other dreamers, and embark on shared journeys. Shamans receive their calling and much of their training in this way.

The first Australians do not live under the illusion that it is necessary to go to sleep in order to dream. They dream with a living landscape in a way that baffles urbanized, deracinated people. Everything in that landscape is alive and conscious, every place has its Dreaming.

“Nothing is nothing,” as they say in the Cape York peninsula; everything means something.

The powers of the Dreaming are closely tied to the land. You can find them only if you are endowed with what the native people of the Kimberley region of NW Australia call kurara, the power to “talk to the land.” Otherwise, as the mysterious, mouthless Wandjina figures of the Kimberley appear to those who do not hear inner voices, the landscape is mute.

You might listen to the kingfisher, which is good at spotting ghosts. If the kingfisher calls out ekwe, ekwe, ekwe you need to watch out for a malevolent ghost that could bring illness or even death.

In the speaking land, for those who can hear, some places speak louder and stronger than others. Four thousand years ago, at a site called Eagle’s Reach in the Wollemi national park, an easy drive from Sydney, Aboriginal rock artists created stunning images of composite beings – human figures with the heads of birds, therianthropes that are half-man and half-kangaroo. They recall the gods of Egypt, and the shapeshifters of Lascaux and the Alpine caves. To touch these images is to draw in their power, through the skin – a power that may be too much for the uninitiated to handle – and come into direct engagement with the energies of the Dreamtime.

Let’s be clear: there is The Dreaming, or the Dreamtime, the realm of gods and ancestral beings, and then there is everyday dreaming. The two interweave, but are not the same. The Kukatja, in common with many other Western Desert tribes, use the word Tjukurrpa for the ancestral Dreaming, but a different term – kapukurri – for personal dream experiences.

Dreamtime is creation time, and stories of the Dreamtime often tell us about the origin of things. But Dreamtime is not long ago; in Dreamtime it is always now. Aborigines call Dreamtime the “all-at-once”. Dreamtime is the seedbed of life, the origin of everything that is manifested in the world. It is not separate from the physical world; it is the inner pulse of the land.

The science of the 21st century may help us to grasp the Paleolithic science of the Earth’s oldest ongoing tradition. Dreamtime may encompass the six (or seven) hidden dimensions of the physical universe posited by superstring theory. Dreamtime is the multidimensional matrix in which 3D reality floats. By entering Dreamtime, we may be able to reach into the quantum soup of possibilities from which the events of the 3D world bubble up.

A crisis of illness may open the gates of The Dreaming. I learned something about this in childhood. Aged nine, in a Melbourne hospital where I underwent an emergency appendectomy, I left my body and found myself drawn down into what seemed to be a world inside the world. I was welcomed by very tall, pale beings who raised me as one of their own. I seemed to spend a whole life with these people, becoming a father and grandfather, until they laid my body to rest – and I found myself yanked back into the body of the nine-year-old kid in the hospital, and learned that I had lost vital signs for a few minutes and everyone had been worried I had checked out.

Many years later, I encountered an Aboriginal artist from Arnhem Land who says that when he gets sick, he goes to live with the “Mimi spirits” until he gets well. In painting and sculpture, the Mimis are depicted as very tall and skinny. They are said to be more ancient than the Rainbow Serpent, and to live inside rocks. They come and go through what my Celtic ancestors might call the “thin places”, blowing on crevices in the rocks to open doorways to and from their hidden worlds.

Though I have lived outside my native Australia for most of my adult life, something of The Dreaming seems to live in me and creatures of the Dreamtime sometimes cross the ocean to call me back. At very important passages in my life, and that of my family, a sea eagle I remember from boyhood in Queensland has come into my dreamspace and flown me back to Australia. Once sea eagle launched me on a journey that led to a Dreaming place of the Mununjali of southern Queensland. When a “spirit man” of the Mununjali heard my dream as the result of a “chance” encounter in Beaudesert, he led me to the exact place of power, on a bend of a muddy river, that I had previewed in the dream. [4]

Our dreams may lead us into The Dreaming, and into ways of seeing and knowing that were shared by all our ancestors. In this way, our dreams may open the way for cultural soul recovery, and the healing of the relations between our kind and the natural world.

Notes

[1] Sylvie Poirier, “This Is Good Country, We Are Good Dreamers: Dreams and Dreaming in the Australian Western Desert” in Roger Ivar Lohmann (ed) Dream Travelers: Sleep Experiences and Culture in the Western Pacific (New York: Palgrave Macmillan), 2003.

[2] See Howard Morphy, Journey to the Crocodile’s Nest (Canberra: Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies, 1984).

[3] Fiona Magowan, “Syncretism or sychronicity? Remapping the Yolngu feel of place”, in Australian Journal of Anthropology, December 2001.

[4] I have told this story in detail in Conscious Dreaming (New York: Three Rivers Press, 1996).
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Postby Penguin » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:53 am

Ill describe two dream stories shortly, I think I have shared these in private at least before.

Few years ago, during the summer. I was doing work in a remote place, living in a research station with a friend as roommate.
One night I have a very real dream, I feel already in the dream that its important, and it doesnt have the unreal feel of a dream at all. I am also lucid and realize this too, which is not too common for me.

In the dream, it is night, summer, and Im in the bedroom of a couple I know. The man is praying, with the phone ready to call emergency. The woman has arrhythmia, and is afraid she will have a heart attack and die. I take her hands in mine, look into her eyes (she "sees" me, man does not) and repeat several times "dont be afraid, tonight is not your time to die, dont fear, death is not to be feared".

As soon as I wake up, I tell the dream to my roommate, and then immediately call her. Before I say anything, she tells me she has had arrhythmia the whole night, fearing dying, man praying and the phone ready to call an ambulance. So I tell her the dream and what I did in it. I had seen the room exactly as it was, even where the man was at the time, the phone, everything. And the sense of urgency, realness, was so strong I knew I had to tell the dream first and then call to verify.

I had been sober in all ways at that time too.

Other one was earlier..
I had a difficult time in life, and I had been hiking far away. During the trip I had increasingly vivid and lucid dreams, while we slept outside and walked all day.

Coming back home, the first night, I dream...All I remember in the morning is a scene where I look down and see a dead squirrel laying in the midst of grass, in a depression. And a feeling of deja vu, importance.

Next day I go for a long walk to the neighbouring town and back.
On the way I see two kids with bikes, looking at something by the roadside. They leave. As I get there, I feel I must go look at what they were looking at. I do...And I get the deja vu, and see, for the first time in my life, a dead squirrel - laying in a small depression by the ditch, amidst grass.

I really like squirrels too. That event was pretty important to me then. A message not unlike what it sounds like.
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Postby marmot » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:00 pm

Penguin wrote:My first such experience was when I was maybe 16 or so. Then I was still a straight edge pretty regular youth. I had been at the library (I was there a lot) reading a science mag, article about string theory and many worlds theories etc. I had a funny feeling while I contemplated that.

Started to walk home. Suddenly, mid step, something happened. I described it at the time as "I ceased to be" - my separate I was no more. I was everywhere, and there was no time - only eternal, everywhere, sense of light and space. The experience lasted maybe a second "in time", I felt lightheaded for hours afterwards.


Yeah, that's the experience. And when you are in that mode of oneness with all things - merged with the universe - it's existing outside any localized sense of self. I remember (I was about 19) that when I would come back to, I wouldn't know how long I had been gone - fourteen seconds? ten, or maybe forty minutes? How would I know? for I had been one with all space and time. And yes, this eternal experience would stay with me for hours afterward too - where I would see all the interconnectedness in things. That was half my life ago. Haven't had those experiences since. However, it is still with me, enough to understand the mystics, the zen masters, and the Penguin.

Congratulations, btw, on your 4000th post.
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