'Collapse': Chris Smith's new film about Michael Ruppert

[8bitagent]

I would not be surprised if 90_some percent of those surveyed, if there were such a survey, said they no longer listen to or trust the people who got them interested and gave them entry into conspiracy subjects.

True. It was Icke, Alex Jones, Rupert, Maxwell and a few others I was into back in 03-05. Actually my friend made me read "Worlds Biggest Secret" by Icke some years ago, which creeped me out but it wasn't until 2004 I really went down the rabbit hole "deep politic" wise.

The Truth and Lies of 9/11 by Rupert is fascinating, as its a mere two months after 9/11...that must have taken some balls.

But eventually, a lot of big name conspiracy writers get bogged down in
bizarre misadventures. Rupert with his Venezuelan thing for instance.

Right now the line of inquiry I been following online is Jeremy Scahill,
various synchronistic/politoccult blogs, and a few others. Hard to find people who have something new to say, or who really are seeing the big picture.

Anyways, if this is anything like Fog of War, Thin Blue Line, etc I CANNOT wait to see it.

Did anyone see the documentary on Alex Jones by IFC called "New World Order"?

[Hammer of Los]

I have always felt that Mike was legit, by which I mean to say, honestly acting out of a sense of integrity, seeking to tell the truth.

He was around long before 911 you know. I used to read his site, copvcia, quite regularly. Oh you newcomers, turned on by 911. God help us all. Hell I was a Rense junkie many years before 911. Er, I shouldn't have said that, should I? Never touch Rense now, oh no sirree. That is one crazy misinfo conduit. Watch out for neo-nazis!

I think Ruppert's instincts and judgement let him down on a number of occasions, as he would admit himself.

I guess by now he has gone just a bit batshit crazy. I think folk like Ruppert (and Shayler) are targeted for crazy-making stuff. Getting the author to act crazy is a good way to undermine every word they ever said.

No, I'm not sure what to make of the whole peak oil thing either.

I think maybe its a case of his instincts and judgement letting him down again, but who knows.

[Brentos]

I have always felt that Mike was legit, by which I mean to say, honestly acting out of a sense of integrity, seeking to tell the truth.

He was around long before 911 you know. I used to read his site, copvcia, quite regularly. Oh you newcomers, turned on by 911. God help us all. Hell I was a Rense junkie many years before 911. Er, I shouldn't have said that, should I? Never touch Rense now, oh no sirree. That is one crazy misinfo conduit. Watch out for neo-nazis!

I think Ruppert's instincts and judgement let him down on a number of occasions, as he would admit himself.

I guess by now he has gone just a bit batshit crazy. I think folk like Ruppert (and Shayler) are targeted for crazy-making stuff. Getting the author to act crazy is a good way to undermine every word they ever said.

No, I'm not sure what to make of the whole peak oil thing either.

I think maybe its a case of his instincts and judgement letting him down again, but who knows.

Yeah, that could well be the case with Mike. David Shayler though...

[Hammer of Los]

He sure is crazy.

Wearing that outfit with that figure.

Ugh.

[Perelandra]

No, I'm not sure what to make of the whole peak oil thing either.

I think maybe its a case of his instincts and judgement letting him down again, but who knows.

Has he formally recanted on Peak Oil then? I'm going to check that out. That was basically his idea of the "real" reason for 9/11, IIRC.

I still think it was totally cool what he did to John Deutsch, though.

[Brentos]

Has he formally recanted on Peak Oil then? I'm going to check that out. That was basically his idea of the "real" reason for 9/11, IIRC.

I still think it was totally cool what he did to John Deutsch, though.

I'm not sure he did. To be fair, I shouldnt say I disbelieve in Peak Oil, just the way he was selling it, iirc, rolling blackout by 2005 etc...

[Perelandra]

Has he formally recanted on Peak Oil then? I'm going to check that out. That was basically his idea of the "real" reason for 9/11, IIRC.

I still think it was totally cool what he did to John Deutsch, though.

I'm not sure he did. To be fair, I shouldn't say I disbelieve in Peak Oil, just the way he was selling it, iirc, rolling blackout by 2005 etc...

Oh, I see, sorry. After a quick glance at his sites, it seems he's still a believer and sees all current events through that lens. He did make some predictions that were accurate, but so do other people. Some were really crazy. I don't know what I believe IRT PO anymore, frankly.

[Perelandra]

Dupe.

[RocketMan]

Here's a movie blog I check out now and again on Collapse:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2009/09/ ... wallop.php

The guy, funnily enough, is called Jeff Wells. He seemed pretty enthusiastic but then again, he tends to get a little carried away with his likes and dislikes.

[MacCruiskeen]

It's bizarre to see these discussions about whether Ruppert has or hasn't "recanted" on Peak Oil. Even the most cursory reading of the review at the top of the thread makes it clear that he hasn't; on the contrary.

[MacCruiskeen]

Ruppert's the guy that was conned by a criminal:

http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/911 ... -vreeland/

He was not "conned" by Vreeland, as even the most cursory reading of Crossing the Rubicon will confirm. In fact Ruppert went out of his way, at almost inordinate length, to make it clear that he knew Vreeland was both a criminal and someone who was trying to con him. (Two different things.) He also recognised the simple fact that not everything done by a criminal is necessarily criminal, and not everything said by a con-man is necessarily a con. Read the book.

Don't believe a word that comes from his mouth. He's probably compromised.

And we should believe every word that comes from your virtual mouth? Why, exactly?

Not to mention that the break-in that caused him to "escape" to Venezuela was staged (as confirmed by those who were close to him).

"Staged"? Please quote chapter and verse for this. It's the first I've heard of it.

[Perelandra]

It's bizarre to see these discussions about whether Ruppert has or hasn't "recanted" on Peak Oil. Even the most cursory reading of the review at the top of the thread makes it clear that he hasn't; on the contrary.

I misunderstood a comment Brentos made. Since I haven't paid any attention to Ruppert in quite awhile, it was unclear to me and sometimes I read too fast. Apology for lameness.

[MacCruiskeen]

No worries, Perelandra. Thanks for a quick and honest reply.

(I'm not Ruppert's keeper, but he's the subject of more vague and inaccurate rumour than almost anyone else alive.)

[Perelandra]

Do you think he's totally legit?

[MacCruiskeen]

I don't think anyone in the world is "totally legit", and that includes me. I try my best, though, and I think he does too, often very successfully. His predictions, over the seven years I've been reading him, have often been unusually specific & detailed and unusually accurate.

I don't think he's a spook, if that's what you mean. And if he's wrong about Peak Oil, then I'm still waiting to see some actual oil from those alleged deposits of alleged inorganic oil allegedly discovered by alleged Russian scientists.

Once we have that particular worry off our minds, then we can begin to think about Peak Water, Peak Fish, Peak Topsoil, Peak Uranium, and Peak Everything Else, not forgetting Peak Human-Population Carrying-Capacity. I don't think those are CIA plots either.

At least there's no shortage of jellyfish.