e-activism re Franklin Scandal

[sunny]

It's purely a judgment call, but fwiw, it's my seriously considered opinion that when it comes to advancing the cause of justice for abused, exploited and suffering children anywhere or, for that matter, everywhere, Nancy Grace is to cable television roughly as Ted Gunderson is to private investigation.

Exactly. Nancy Grace has knowingly and willfully lied through her teeth during her coverage of the child murder of little Caylee Anthony of Orlando, Florida. Both in specifics and in her general attitude toward the evidence in the case. The only thing she brings to any given case is prurient sensationalism and I've no doubt if she decided to cover Nick Bryant's book she would willfully and with malice aforethought misrepresent everything he is trying to convey. She would do him more harm than good.

[Percival]

I e mailed Grace out of respect for LBO who was the first to ask us to do so in the other thread but I agree with C2W and Sunny, Grace will likely do more harm than good. I cant stand to even look at the woman let alone watch her fucking show, however, if anyone could take her on head to head and come out on top, it may be Bryant.

Regardless, she will never cover Franklin, aint happenin' and if it does I will gladly eat crow.

[Free]

I held my nose and wrote to Nancy Grace. If she covers it (doubtful, I agree), I think Nick is quite capable of handling the situation.
I also wrote to Amy Goodman. There's much more hope here, I urge everyone to write to her. Democracy Now! is syndicated and has a huge listenership.

Does anyone know Naomi Klein? She covered Canadian mind control experiments in "The Shock Doctrine." There must be someone out there in R.I.land who knows her. Maybe she could help Nick get some good reviews.
...We need to think outside of the box....what about Eddie Veder? He cares about social issues and dislikes Bush...

I'm working on my local connections....hope everyone is doing the same...

[Percival]

I held my nose and wrote to Nancy Grace. If she covers it (doubtful, I agree), I think Nick is quite capable of handling the situation.
I also wrote to Amy Goodman. There's much more hope here, I urge everyone to write to her. Democracy Now! is syndicated and has a huge listenership.

Does anyone know Naomi Klein? She covered Canadian mind control experiments in "The Shock Doctrine." There must be someone out there in R.I.land who knows her. Maybe she could help Nick get some good reviews.
...We need to think outside of the box....what about Eddie Veder? He cares about social issues and dislikes Bush...

I'm working on my local connections....hope everyone is doing the same...

My editor wont let me touch it or I would write something up myself. He said there is no way he could let me publish something like that.

[Project Willow]

My editor wont let me touch it or I would write something up myself. He said there is no way he could let me publish something like that.

Wow, Percival, why not? Did he/she give you a reason or is it just outside the normal purview of your publication?

Free, yes, I think Nick's amassed a team of us each tapping into our own connections. I hope it works!

I don't know what to do about the appeal to contact Grace. I have it on my own blog and wonder if I shouldn't edit it in favor of other suggestions. My big question with her is, I wonder if it was she who interviewed Wanda Karriker about an ra case a few years ago for court TV. I should find out. Regardless, I hear the warnings.

[Percival]

My editor wont let me touch it or I would write something up myself. He said there is no way he could let me publish something like that.

Wow, Percival, why not? Did he/she give you a reason or is it just outside the normal purview of your publication?

Free, yes, I think Nick's amassed a team of us each tapping into our own connections. I hope it works!

I don't know what to do about the appeal to contact Grace. I have it on my own blog and wonder if I shouldn't edit it in favor of other suggestions. My big question with her is, I wonder if it was she who interviewed Wanda Karriker about an ra case a few years ago for court TV. I should find out. Regardless, I hear the warnings.

Yea its not something that we would normally cover, plus its a small publication and they obsess about making accusations against anyone without hard evidence. I am going to at least try and run a book review though in our book of the week section, and will post if that is successful.


I know Jeff and a few others have said they have been speaking to Bryant, any chance we can invite him here to chat with us?

[Jeff]

I know Jeff and a few others have said they have been speaking to Bryant, any chance we can invite him here to chat with us?

I invited him, but he doesn't expect to be posting soon. Though he does read with interest.

BTW, I just found this, and know nothing more about it:

http://adangerousmovie.com/

If this is footage from a documentary based on Bryant's work then I'm surprised that the Gosch story serves as its hook, since the book barely mentions Gosch.

The scenes with Rue Fox and Eulice Washington are powerful.

[Sounder]

At the beginning of the ‘a dangerous movie clip’ the journalist asked the hypothetical question about Hoover being gay and blackmailing MLK. This followed by the assertion that the ‘editor’ would have laughed the journalist out of the room on the grounds of implausibility.

Edgar j. himself is quoted as saying (something like); ‘the conspiracy is so vast it is beyond the ability of the imagination to comprehend’.

It is this lack of imagination that creates the aura of implausibility.

Call me oversensitive, but the face of NG is one that I cannot bare to even look at.

[Brigit]

Willow, it's not just about alienating; if you truly feel you're not responsible for what you write, it might be a good idea to have someone else read before you post something potentially hurtful or demeaning.

Thanks for the hurtful and demeaning advice!

Willow,
I don't think this was intended to be hurtful and demeaning; if you're sincerely concerned about an assignment about which you are amnesiac perhaps Cordelia's advice is sound. If not, then maybe you could be more welcoming and interested in new members who might have something significant to offer. Promoting a club atmosphere does not encourage the power of the collective voice; on the contrary it runs counter to the mission of shining through the mist and we need every last ray of light!

fwiw: I will promote this outstanding accomplishment to colleagues; since the early 90's the momentum of concern and interest in related treatment has come to a dead halt among general practitioners that I find extremely disturbing. Credibility has plummeted and culpability has been launched to a new level. There was an open forum in the late 80's that seems to have been closed and hermetically sealed. We need to work the trenches and the dark strategists.

Thank you for this opportunity.

Brigit

[sw]

From another post:

If not, then maybe you could be more welcoming and interested in new members who might have something significant to offer.

I'm all for being civil. I'm also a believer in the fact that every voice counts, even the new ones and even the ones that are not as verbose as others...as am I.

But, after being raped by others...I try and listen but in areas like this, don't tread like you're walking in a field of flowers cause really you might be walking in a field of mines. It's hard to tell which are the flowers and which are the mines because often they look the same.

deleted end of post after having crummy morning.

[Percival]

Seems like a lot of cat fights here on RI the last few weeks, whats going on here, there is plenty of room for all of us, our stories and experiences.

[JM]

So, then, do you think it would cause people to rethink the granddaddy of all f'ud-up cases, Mcmartin?
They believed the Catholic Church molestation scandal.. was that cause gunderson didn't CoIntelPro it?

[Brigit]

From another post:

If not, then maybe you could be more welcoming and interested in new members who might have something significant to offer.

I'm all for being civil. I'm also a believer in the fact that every voice counts, even the new ones and even the ones that are not as verbose as others...as am I.

But, after being raped by others...I try and listen but in areas like this, don't tread like you're walking in a field of flowers cause really you might be walking in a field of mines. It's hard to tell which are the flowers and which are the mines because often they look the same.

deleted end of post after having crummy morning.

SW,
Throughout my life I have stepped on so many hidden mines and have seen so much darkness I will risk anything to save the flowers.
Brigit

[Project Willow]

Re: the acrimony, this is what happened...

Brigit and Cordelia joined RI a day apart and first showed up in the Member's Notice Board section in my art show thread. Brigit's rhetorical style was, to my eyes, identical to a former poster here, (I think she was banned but I don't know) screen named Bridge It.

I went on my instinct that Brigit was Bridge It, and since Bridge It had been rather insulting her last few days on the board, I responded in kind. Even though I wasn't the only one who made the assumption, (you can see Lbo did as well, by his sock puppet response) it was a mistake. When Brigit informed me that she was not Bridge It, I apologized and then welcomed them both to the board.

I took Cordelia's comment in this thread to be lingering hurt feelings, and/or well, worse if indeed there is some kind of sock puppet thing going on, but how can I know? Whatever the case, I invite them to contact me via pm and leave off the topic now on the board.

As for my comment about being handled to get into conflicts with people, I assume most people who know me would understand that as a style of joking lament I am prone to make. This time it was about conflicts on the board of late, and my role in them. It was not intended to be taken seriously. So you two can drop that angle, ok?

[chiggerbit]

Jeff said:

The scenes with Rue Fox and Eulice Washington are powerful.

Whew, I'll say.

With regards to the documentary you linked, Jeff, I had a hard time telling it apart from the Conspiracy of Silence documentary, telling which was which.

Whichever, one thing it pointed out was how Boys Town seemed to be implicated in the Franklin sex abuse scandal. THAT's the part that, for me, seemed to have been left out in so much of the coverage of the whole affair. Or maybe attention diverted from that involvement. Was Boys Town or the Church pimping these kids?