New P. T. Anderson movie - shades of L. Ron Hubbard?

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Postby compared2what? » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:49 pm

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:But really, you thought Magnolia was a good movie?


I know you weren't asking me. But if you had been, I would have said it was a great movie.

Boogie Nights?


In a somewhat less enduring way, likewise.

Those are some awful movies.


I respectfully dissent. I do readily concede that they're some very long movies, neither of which is entirely conventionally enjoyable to watch. And one of which (Magnolia) is affirmatively conventionally unenjoyable to watch most of the time. So I can easily see why you -- or anyone else -- might dislike them. And I don't think it unreasonable that you do. But personally speaking, I don't see how they can be fairly rated as "awful" on their real merits and defects under any criteria, myself. However...

But its all subjective isn't it.


...it is. Or close enough to "all" as makes no difference, at least, when it comes to leaving more than enough room for legitimate disagreement. So I'm perfectly willing to assume that's what the divergence in our opinions of them is due to, absent any indications that it's not. And anyhow, whatever the case, you can't really argue with a final verdict by itself on such matters. You really need to hear the summation, too. Otherwise, we each might as well just be saying, "Is not!" or "Is so!" or "Is not!" "Is so!"

And where's the fun in that?
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Postby Jeff » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:02 pm

Considering an amendation to the posting guidelines:

This is a pro-Paul Thomas Anderson board. Propagation of "Magnolia, what was that?" and "There Will Be Blood keyword hijacks The Wilby Conspiracy", including sympathetically linking to IMDB comments which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Los Angeles porn industry.
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:14 pm

Jeff wrote:Considering an amendation to the posting guidelines:

This is a pro-Paul Thomas Anderson board. Propagation of "Magnolia, what was that?" and "There Will Be Blood keyword hijacks The Wilby Conspiracy", including sympathetically linking to IMDB comments which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Los Angeles porn industry.


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Scientology Decoy Movies to block, Alex.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:52 pm

Touchstone Pictures release 9/18/92-

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How about that sexual status poking out of the three wheel handles?

Captain Ron is a 1992 film starring Kurt Russell [as "Captain Ron"] and Martin Short [as "Martin Harvey"]. A family in Chicago inherits a yacht formerly owned by Clark Gable. They decide to sail it from the Island of Ste. Pomme de Terre to Miami and hire a local, Captain Ron, to sail it for them. He guides them from island to island in the treacherous Caribbean, making friends with revolutionaries, partying with the locals, and running afoul of the dreaded [Cuban] "Pirates of the Caribbean."


Republished in 1992 was a paperback edition of this 1987 expose-
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hub ... _Madman%3F

L. Ron's cited abuses are turned into comedic gags in Hollywood's 'Captain Ron' and Kurt Russell makes him a likeable romantic beach-bum with a touch of Gilligan's well-meaning-but-disasterous bad luck and clumsiness.

Also included in this pro-Ron psyops movie's nautical theme was counterpropaganda against another 1992 book by Cuban intelligence chief, Fabian Escalante, 'The Secret War: CIA Covert Operations Against Cuba 1959-62.'

The CIA's William Harvey led this terrorism campaign so Martin Short plays a harmless nerd named "Harvey" victimised by eeee-vil Cubans.
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PTA fan

Postby norton ash » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:06 pm

I'm a little dismayed to hear PTA is COS 'cause he's BRILLIANT.

To paraphrase from A Fish Called Wanda wrt the Anderson-hatas here.

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Re: PTA fan

Postby Jeff » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:03 pm

norton ash wrote:I'm a little dismayed to hear PTA is COS 'cause he's BRILLIANT.


But wait, he's not. Pretty sure he's Catholic. And very much brilliant.
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Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:19 pm

Jeff wrote:Considering an amendation to the posting guidelines:

This is a pro-Paul Thomas Anderson board



Whoa ..... I may have to consider my involvement here.

:evil:

Just kidding. Obviously I'm missing something, because I know some people who actually liked Magnolia, but I wanted to throw up -- I mean, I grew actually nauseated, about halfway through, when I suddenly realized I was watching an "Art" film. And I'm talking "Art" in capital letters, as flowery and pretentious as you can possibly get.

Almost hated it as much as "The Hours".

God did that stink.

Hell, by comparison "Chocolat" was a truly subversive "art" film.

How did this turn into a movie thread?

Anyway, "There Will Be Blood" seemed to be an amateur's extremely expensive attempt at creating a new "Citizen Kane" and failing miserably.

Part of the reason Anderson pisses me off so much is because of Hard Eight. I had really high expectations for him after that but it's been all downhill.
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Postby lightningBugout » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:23 pm

Magnolia is a brilliant, if much-reviled, film. I'm also partial to aspects of Punch Drunk Love but that's perhaps less readily defensible.
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Postby Nordic » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:40 pm

lightningBugout wrote:Magnolia is a brilliant, if much-reviled, film. I'm also partial to aspects of Punch Drunk Love but that's perhaps less readily defensible.


Yeah, I love it when an Artist takes a giant sledgehammer and hits me over the head with his "ART". "Look at this great Art! Isn't it great fucking Art! I'm SOO BRILLIANT!!!!!"

Sorry. I'm bored again today.
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Postby wha? » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:41 pm

i am always mystified by how much some people hate magnolia. i don't think it's pretentious or even that much of an art flick. i believe it to be a wonderful and subversively sincere movie.
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Postby Sweet Tooth » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:04 pm

I think he's one of our top cinematic talents, definitely.

There Will Be Blood (2007) - Masterful, mesmerizing, thought-provoking, ethically complex and ambiguous, the work of an artist in complete control of his medium. A five-star effort.

Punch-Drunk Love (2002) - My favorite of the lot. So reminiscent of my own emotional inner life that it almost made me paranoid. Accusations of subtle misogyny totally miss the mark. Adam Sandler's one true "true" performance. His fear of commitment and anxiety about intimacy were so realistically portrayed I had to force myself to sit through it, and I felt emotionally richer for doing so.

Magnolia (1999) - Over-rated, but still worth watching. Often suffers due to comparisons to Robert Altman's very similar and somewhat superior Short Cuts due to it similarity in subject matter and form. That's kind of unfair, as they are VERY different movies, saying very different things. Often considered his "chef d'oeuvre", to my mind, it is the least effective and impressive of his works. Still very much worth watching.

Boogie Nights (1997) - His best film. Emotionally surprising at every turn and just so magnificently crafted from the script level up. Fantastic performances by ALL the performers. Uniformly perfect casting. Made Marky Mark into a legitimate dramatic actor. Great performance by a total novice. The film that put current acting treasures John C. Reilly and Phillip Seymour Hoffman on the map. It radiates with the joy of creation.

Hard Eight (1993) - Not technically his first film, but his first widely released film. The first of his films that I saw. It didn't really get widely scene until it was re-released on video after Boogie Nights, and John C. Reilly's performance is just... let's just say I know people like that, and he gets it exactly, perfectly, inarguably right.

Like I said, not my favorite. But he's one of our most important directors. He's a huge talent, and I always look forward to seeing what he's cooking up for us all.

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Postby Sweet Tooth » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:12 pm

Oh, and I would be kind of upset to learn that he was a practicing Scientologist - very different from someone who's taken some classes at the Celebrity Center to appease or even bond with a star who's working for scale when he usually commands 22 million a film.

As an aspiring film-maker who is finally making some headway, if I was making what could be "the film of my life" and Tom Cruise agreed to star in it for scale because he loved the script and he asked me to attend some courses at the Celebrity Center just to see what it was all about, would I attend? You fucking bet I would.

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Postby Sweet Tooth » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:18 pm

Nordic wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:Magnolia is a brilliant, if much-reviled, film. I'm also partial to aspects of Punch Drunk Love but that's perhaps less readily defensible.


Yeah, I love it when an Artist takes a giant sledgehammer and hits me over the head with his "ART". "Look at this great Art! Isn't it great fucking Art! I'm SOO BRILLIANT!!!!!"

Sorry. I'm bored again today.


Well then, why not just watch 'Dude, Where's My Car?' again, instead of putting yourself through the torture of enduring someone's effort to share his soul with you through long-established artistic methods?

He's an artist, he makes art. When you went to the theater or rented the DVD, what did you expect? A fucking ham sandwich?! Newsflash: Movies are ART. If you prefer your art to be more subtle, well then, bully for you. Some of us enjoy ostentatious individuals who enjoy tantalizing, challenging and yes, even sometimes messing with their audience.

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Re: PTA fan

Postby Code Unknown » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:43 pm

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Re: PTA fan

Postby Code Unknown » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:49 pm

Jeff wrote:
norton ash wrote:I'm a little dismayed to hear PTA is COS 'cause he's BRILLIANT.


But wait, he's not. Pretty sure he's Catholic. And very much brilliant.


[Will] Smith, a good buddy of Scientology poster boy Tom Cruise, denies he is a church member. "You don't have to be Jewish to be a friend of Steven Spielberg. You don't have to be a Muslim to be a friend of Muhammad Ali. And you don't have to be a Scientologist to be a friend of Tom Cruise," Smith tells us. "I am a Christian. I am a student of all religions. And I respect all people and all paths."
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/ ... scien.html

This Will Smith:

Hollywood power couple Will Smith and Jada Pinkett-Smith have won critical acclaim for pumping nearly $1 million of their own money into a new private school that will offer organic meals, laptops for every student and an environment of learning based on "equity" and "respect" to create "citizens of the world."

Here's what the parents of the school's pupils aren't being told:

The New Village Academy plans to use some teaching methods developed within the Church of Scientology and has hired a team of Scientologists to put them into action.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360642,00.html

And why give Paul Anderson the benefit of the doubt over Theresa and Jeremy? (By asking this, I'm not suggesting one should necessarily do the reverse either.)
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