J. D. Salinger dies at 91

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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby barracuda » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:51 pm

I've been pissed at Salinger for years. Am I alone in my feeling that he had died decades ago, almost before I was even born? My lame teachers in junior high and high school used to assign his book as standard text to us, I guess because they'd been carrying it around and looking at it on their shelves ever since all their friends passed it around it back in undergrad. As if you want to relive the coming of age mysteries of some previous generation at fourteen years of age, right when your pubic hair is still amazing. Or maybe they'd hoped we'd start calling them "phonies" instead of our usual various titles for them, like "motherfucking jagg-off, or "douche". Phony was taken for granted, and I guess that may have something to do with that book, but I doubt it. I mean, really - Nixon was president when it was first handed to me, and there wasn't a soul on earth who wasn't already fairly disgusted by the fraud of it all by then. All the teachers wanted from us was some glimmer of empathy for what they had brought to the world by being hippies once. Dirty, stinking hippies. That was the last thing we wanted to relate to. We were, and remained, as opposed to sixties hippy culture on purely ethical and aesthetic grounds as was humanly possible. Any revelatory tract espoused as speaking to them, or for them, was summarily dispatched into the waste bin of eye-rolling forgetfulness where we put shit like "Bob Dylan", or "peace signs" or flowered pants.

So it was only decades later that I even tried to read that book again, after thoroughly enjoying Nine Stories by pure mistake. I had read “Teddy” in some anthology and found it horrifying and humorous. Then someone left Nine Stories at my apartment, probably a girl; it looked like an easy book to read, and you could take it in small bites, so I did. Then I read it again, and again. And, what? – now bananafish are part of my personal aquarium, and dogs pouring dogs into dogs, and the travails of the Glass family skirt my consciousness with similar ocassion as do those of fucked up old friends I can’t forget but never kept track of.

Anyway, all this time, any time I thought about it, or saw another reproduction of that stupid picture of his – always the same one - I knew he’d never show us anything else. I felt like he’d may as well be dead, anyway. He didn’t want to know us, why should I care? Joe fucking Mystery boy, sequestered in his concrete room, burning his masterpieces in the rubbish smolder - good for him! That’s what passes, I guess, for a principled ninety year life these days. “Leave me the fuck alone.” It was a common enough sentiment in the course of my relationships with people throughout life that I really didn’t need to learn it from a great writer, too.

I guess they’ll make a properly fucked up Hollywood movie of that fucking book now, and everyone will jabber about how it never could measure up to the life changing, coming of age epiphany that it was on paper, back when they read it, and how it changed their life, and how it’s just another product now. Good. I can’t wait to rip off the DVD and laugh about the whole ugly mess.

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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:03 pm

Never mind pissing on hippies, barracuda. Responding to the death of J.D. Salinger with a photo of Mark Chapman from rotten.com demonstrates precisely why punk doesn't just smell bad but is dead, dead, dead (almost since birth) - and mourned much less than he will be, and not for no reason.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby barracuda » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:06 pm

Yeah, well maybe you just don't get it. That picture is actually from New York City.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:08 pm

barracuda wrote:Yeah, well maybe you just don't get it. That picture is actually from New York City.


Yeah, well maybe I just do get it. That reply is fatuous.

Fatuously punky, to be exact. Smugly stoopid. (And you're not stupid, so why do it? - There's a tale of a whole Lost Generation in there.)
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby norton ash » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:16 pm

A massive "oh for fuck's sake" for anyone disrespecting Salinger here.

Change my life with your short stories, or just shut up.

RIP, great writer. Good riddance, cult of personality.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby barracuda » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:23 pm

Now I'm the one who doesn't get it. One of my heroes has died after a long, long life. I'm not disrespecting anybody. That's just how I felt about it. You want me to lie about it? Or should I keep my mouth shut just in case somebody might see it differently than I? There it is.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby norton ash » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:32 pm

I said:
RIP, great writer. Good riddance, cult of personality.


MD Chapman has NOTHING to do with Salinger's fiction. Please remember the writer, and don't make me sick with pictures of killers.

Just wishing I could stem the tide of Salinger woo-shit that's sure to come. He was a humanist who wrote extremely well about alienation and the madness of families. He could be very funny and he could break your heart. Basta.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:48 pm

Well, you know you have my respect in spades, barracuda (as a very general thing), but that specific Chapman/rotten.com photo just really annoyed the hell out of me, precisely it was so dismally predictable in the context. As for punk, I was sick of the whole beery braying brutalised whiteman's stupidityfest very shortly after it started. So was nearly everyone at the time who had any sense or musical & intellectual independence, from Ian Dury to Blixa Bargeld to John Lydon Himself, and the quality of Salinger's work has precisely fuck all [I'm so punk] to do with it or with Mark Chapman.

The entire punk/hippie disaster richly deserves a thread (actually a book, or a library) to itself. Also, and just by the way, and just as a general rule: old punks tend to look even less pretty than old hippies nowadays, and they're a generation younger.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:59 pm

norton ash wrote:He was a humanist who wrote extremely well about alienation and the madness of families. He could be very funny and he could break your heart.


Well said.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:08 pm

norton ash wrote:He was a humanist who wrote extremely well about alienation and the madness of families. He could be very funny and he could break your heart. Basta.


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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:10 am

The Onion:

Bunch Of Phonies Mourn J.D. Salinger

January 28, 2010 | Issue 46•04

CORNISH, NH—In this big dramatic production that didn't do anyone any good (and was pretty embarrassing, really, if you think about it), thousands upon thousands of phonies across the country mourned the death of author J.D. Salinger, who was 91 years old for crying out loud. "He had a real impact on the literary world and on millions of readers," said hot-shot English professor David Clarke, who is just like the rest of them, and even works at one of those crumby schools that rich people send their kids to so they don't have to look at them for four years. "There will never be another voice like his." Which is exactly the lousy kind of goddamn thing that people say, because really it could mean lots of things, or nothing at all even, and it's just a perfect example of why you should never tell anybody anything.

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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:46 pm

From an interview with Samuel Beckett's French publisher and friend, Barney Rosset. Rosset first met and corresponded with Beckett in 1951, when SB was 45 years old*:

In one of his early letters he asked if I had read J. D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. He said he really liked it.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/foxrocklit/interv.html


I didn't know that until today, and although it doesn't surprise me I'm very pleased to hear it.

He is also reported to have said of Salinger, years later: "He's a writer." Coming from Beckett, that's high praise, because he knew his writers. And I've always thought they had a surprising amount in common as writers, quite apart from their comparable attitudes to fame, celebrity, autobiography and life in general.

*Beckett's age is relevant here because so much stuff has been written in the last 24 hours about Salinger being someone who can only possibly appeal to confused adolescents, who then "grow up" and grow out of it.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:22 pm

I woke up today thinking maybe it's best if there is no trove of new writings coming. I mean, what if it sucks? The phonies will still package it and sell it like it's coming straight from God. Those publishers, they just kill me.

Also, it's been pointed out the known JDS works were based in his experience until then. What will a series of novels from a rich guy who never leaves his farm in New Hampshire be like?

Of course, he might have gone in any direction.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby barracuda » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:41 pm

The Daily News sez:

    "A representative at Salinger's literary agency, Harold Ober Associates, told the Daily News that the agency has "no plans at this time" to release any of his unpublished work, or to re-release 'Hapworth 16, 1924.'"

We'll see how long that lasts. A Salinger grocery list would bring millions as things stand today.
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Re: J. D. Salinger dies at 91

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:53 pm

It's hard to conceive that during the last 50-plus years Salinger did not map out in detail how all works and possessions would be disposed after his death, or that the arrangements won't be ironclad. So if he doesn't want his stuff published, it will be 75 years before anything comes out. By then you'll know who shot Kennedy, and you will also (almost?) all be dead.
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