No one is sure where this feeling comes from

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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:23 pm

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So is this statement true?
He says that
The Encyclopedia Britannica discovered in the late 1980's that all knowledge from 6000 years ago to 1900, we've learned the same amount of new info from 1900 to 1950, we've learned as many things as we did
in the last 6000 years. From 1950 to 1970 we again learned again as much info as we did in 6000 years. And again from 1970 to 1980 we learned the same volume of knowledge.


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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:48 pm

Re: "knowledge" doubling every few years...

I've seen that a hundred times and never thought it was true. I should say, I have never thought it even means anything!

1) How is knowledge quantified? What is the unit of measure - the "sophion"? The total amount of text generated?!

2) Assuming that hurdle was cleared, how was this measured?! In what languages is this knowledge known? What are its repositories? How did they find out how much knowledge the secret services have? Do studies that later turn out wrong get subtracted? Is anyone keeping track for plagiarism? Does filling out a DMV form add to the world's total store of knowledge? How about a new book of laws? Or what?

3) "We've learned..." Who is this mystical "we" who does the "knowing"? Who could even begin to know how to tell substance from noise and repetition outside the tiny fraction of the world's knowledge that any given one person could specialize in?

They never ask how much is being LOST! 6000 languages, and 90 percent of them are dying off. How much knowledge about peasant agricultural techniques, or plants and species indigenous to a given area, is being lost? How many other professions and skills are being lost to obsolescence?

QUESTION:

Knowledge is a collective good that can be stored and made accessible to others. But can anything be "known" outside of an individual's consciousness? A computer program can gather knowledge, but is it "known" before a human reads the output? Obviously computers can be programmed to act on information that they've gathered before a human even becomes aware of it (activate fire sprinklers, create several billion fake websites based on search terms, or have Skynet launch a nuclear war, that kind of thing). But is anything "known" when it's not in a living creature's consciousness?
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby Avalon » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:49 am

The bullshit doubles every few years.

Your* great-grandmother had the precious family cow, but now we're up to mid-western feedlots.

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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby Jeff » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:19 am

Howling Rainbows wrote:A child of one year old has a perspective that a lifetime is one year. At two his lifespan has doubled.


I remember a friend, at 13, sharing this insight. Seems like yesterday, too.

For me, at least, time's acceleration is mitigated by a diminishing fear of death. It was a paralyzing dread when I was a kid, and I wondered how old people could appear so relaxed. And I suppose that makes sense. The more time you see ahead of you, in potential, the more anxious you ought to be about losing it.
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby 23 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:11 am

The sense of speed of movement is also affected by where you fixate your attention.

Ride in a car on the highway, place your attention on your physical self or the inside of the car, and the world outside your car appears to zip by at a fast rate of speed.

Place your attention at a faraway point outside the car, however, and the sense of speed drastically slows down.

The distance between where you are placing your attention and your sense of a physical self... has a direct effect on your sense of speed of the world around you.

Seniors tend to be a lot more self-reflective than children, contributing to the sense that the world is speeding by outside them.
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:54 pm

Oooh! I want this thread to go on!
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby Project Willow » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:14 pm

Oh for crying out loud, it's simply biological. Neural processing and response times slow down as we age, so everything else appears to go faster, that's why old people drive really slowly

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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby Simulist » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:18 pm

I'll have to think about that.

(And it may take a long time.)
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby 82_28 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:52 pm

Perhaps our lives are just one long single thought and we are but nodes, cells, neurons. I know, not an incredibly original thought for RI. But I feel the sensation of thinking about that question differently than I did when I made the OP. Which, incidentally, I'd forgotten about until I saw this thread get bumped. Time should pass equally for all ages, goes the maxim and conventional wisdom. Yet, why does it not? Why is time perceived and entropy noticed only when you have spent a deal of time away from someone or something? I've often spent hours looking at a shadow move. You really can't see it happen even if you intently stare at it for an hour or so. I stared to witness the very movement of the Earth with each passing millisecond. You don't see it until you go away and not think about it for a spell. Which isn't to say it isn't happening while you are watching it, but our brains are wired to perceive and INTUIT.

Oh and who parked the moon?

Humans, kids really, can get a good grasp of this when they gaze into a telescope and they see the quick procession of a heavenly body from the field of view. That's when I became fascinated by it.

We need more fascination and NO dogma.



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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:02 pm

time (in retrospect) speeds up for most because we have fewer attentional SUBDIVISIONS

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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby 82_28 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:09 pm

One of my all time fave songs justdrew. But I'm going to recommend this video which features Alex Lifeson saying his low pitched "subdivisions" into a mic. Plus you get to see how hot Geddy is. Also great point on time, never thought of the song that way. . .

It's the same song but the actual video.

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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:20 pm

cool, never saw the video.

always thought Bad Religion should cover subdivisions :)

you know these guys...?
lotsa classic easy listening hits :twisted:


so when considering this I find there's usually a difference between how the passage of time feels in the moment vs how the time is remembered.

if time flies, it'll be remembered as being 'long' 'slow' because of the # of details
while if it's draggin' and the clock won't move, it'll be remembered as the blink of an eye, because nothing much was happening.
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby Avalon » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:41 pm

Why don't we say that if it's our entire adult lives that feel faster, then maybe that's the norm, and the slow childhood years just a childish aberration that we grow out of?
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby barracuda » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:46 pm

Today lasted for fucking ever. It's still not over. And as long as it's been, I wish tomorrow would never come.
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Re: No one is sure where this feeling comes from

Postby norton ash » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:59 pm

It's all fucking relative, innit tho, last week feels like a month ago.

And Rush, Farewell to Kings, Fort William Gardens, 1977, you little whippersnappers, with the girl who got my cherry. Like YESTERDAY.
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