That's one less bastard left in the world today

[justdrew]

The Fletcher memorial home
for colonial
wasters
of life and limb.

Good one man I haven't heard that for years.

I sometimes find him in later-era solo a bit overwrought, but that's a "damn fine" album. with the Falklands blowing up again, it's worth hearing again or for the first time.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah, I'll say.

very timely.

"Oi...Get your filthy hands off my desert!"
"What 'e say?"

Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back.

[Howling Rainbows]

still, I'd like to see settled boarders and justice for Palestinians but I cant support aggressive war against Israel either.


War against Israel would be fruitless and would only result in more innocents being killed. I am appalled by what Israel is doing to Palestine and I find it horrible. In no way do I support what is happening to Palestine. The key to remember is that the terrain and turf of Israel is not controlled by Israel. Israel is controlled by someone that lives far, far, far away from Israel, and it is not the U.S. Israel and the U.S. are both controlled by forces that do not reside in their own lands. The U.S. and Israel are both patsies for a larger power and puppet master. The average U.S. citizen is fooled into funneling money into Israel for the war, and the average Israeli is fooled into using that money to kill Palestine...and so it goes...the foolery. This is global. Israel could be stomped off the map tomorrow and nothing would change.

[AlicetheKurious]

Alice I agree with you on a lot but that's not entirely fair. Thank god they didn't involve nixion.

maybe he'd have decided he could save his presidency by a little shooting with the soviets?

He was in no condition to make good choices that night. Having just read up on the history of that war, I gotta say it could have been so much worse, I have to think kissinger and the rest did a fairly good job in that matter, arriving at a fairly balanced resolution that lead to the Camp David accords eventually and a cementing of "super-power" cooperation rather than conflict.

I'm a little surprised to find myself agreeing with kissinger, but hey, maybe I'm all wrong?

still, I'd like to see settled boarders and justice for Palestinians but I cant support aggressive war against Israel either.

Since you're interested in the 1973 war, you might want to take a look at this thread, where I discussed it in context, with a special focus on Kissinger's role. I know it's a bit long, but I'd be fascinated to know if you still feel the same way after reading it.

[justdrew]

Since you're interested in the 1973 war, you might want to take a look at this thread, where I discussed it in context, with a special focus on Kissinger's role. I know it's a bit long, but I'd be fascinated to know if you still feel the same way after reading it.

yeah, I see what you mean, clearly not as "balanced" as I was thinking, but it does look like the war was lost by Egypt and Syria short of Soviet intervention or is that not the case? It seems like maybe the third army could have held out and been relieved?

what on earth is this about:

According to Chaim Herzog:

On June 19, 1967, the National Unity Government of Israel voted unanimously to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in return for peace agreements. The Golan would have to be demilitarized and special arrangement would be negotiated for the Straits of Tiran. The government also resolved to open negotiations with King Hussein of Jordan regarding the Eastern border.[19]

The Israeli decision was to be conveyed to the Arab states by the U.S. government. The U.S. was informed of the decision, but not that it was to transmit it. There is no evidence of receipt from Egypt or Syria, who thus apparently never received the offer. The decision was kept a closely guarded secret within Israeli government circles and the offer was withdrawn in October, 1967.

[Nordic]

Haig was a bastard of the first order. I'm glad he's dead and wish he'd died much sooner. Like right after birth, would have been best.

[MinM]

He pulled off the briefest coup in U.S. history. It lasted about seventeen minutes.

Constitutionally, gentlemen, you have the President, the Vice President and the Secretary of State in that order, and should the President decide he wants to transfer the helm to the Vice President, he will do so. He has not done that. As of now, I am in control here, in the White House, pending return of the Vice President and in close touch with him. If something came up, I would check with him, of course.

Fox News' James Rosen on The Moorer-Radford affair. An earlier episode in U.S. History where Haig 'took charge'...



Jim Hougan: Strange Bedfellows: Deep Throat, Bob Woodward and the CIA

Zumwalt, Felt and McCord were by no means alone in their deep mistrust of the Nixon White House. Within the Pentagon, a military spy-ring was pillaging Kissinger's secrets on behalf of Adm. Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff since 1970.

Within the offices of the National Security Council, and on secret missions to China, Kissinger's briefcases were rifled and his burn-bags ransacked. In all, perhaps a thousand top-secret documents were stolen and transmitted to Moorer's office (if not elsewhere, as well) by Yeoman Charles Radford, a young Mormon acting on orders of Adm. Robert Welander.

Here, matters become a bit incestuous.

Admiral Welander was an aide to Moorer. But he was also a mentor of Lt. Bob Woodward, whose commander Welander had been aboard the USS Fox. Reportedly, it was at the urging of Welander---who had yet to be implicated in "the Moorer-Radford affair"---that Woodward extended his tour of duty in 1969, going to the Pentagon to serve as Communications Duty Officer to then-CNO Tom Moorer.

In that capacity, Woodward presided over the CNO's code-room, reading every communication that went in and out, while acting, also, as a briefer and a courier. This, he tells us, is how he met Deep Throat, while cooling his heels outside the Situation Room in the White House. It was 1970 and, according to Woodward, Mark Felt was sitting in the next chair.

The Moorer-Radford affair is not usually considered a part of the Watergate story, though it deserves to be. The Nixon Administration learned of the Pentagon spy-ring in late 1971, but the affair did not become public until almost three years later. By then, the Watergate story was almost played out.

While president, Nixon was determined to keep the affair secret, telling Kissinger aide David Young, "If you love your country, you'll never mention it." But the Pentagon's chief investigator, W. Donald Stewart, was more forthcoming. Asked how seriously the affair should have been taken, Stewart replied with a rhetorical question: "Did you see that film, Seven Days in May? That's what we were dealing with...

Alexander Haig and the coup against Nixon

The weird world of Alexander Haig

[DoYouEverWonder]

Will I burn in hell, if I hope for a twofer this week?

Cheney hospitalized with chest pains, staff says
February 23, 2010

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02 ... pitalized/

[Nordic]

Will I burn in hell, if I hope for a twofer this week?

Cheney hospitalized with chest pains, staff says
February 23, 2010

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02 ... pitalized/

I'll see you there. You bring the sun screen, I'll bring the cold drinks.

[justdrew]

bob dole's on the docket as well

[Joe Hillshoist]

Lets start a chant:

Croak Cheney, Croak.


Ideally out the front of the hospital.

Cheney has a long history of heart problems cos he doesn't actually have one. He's got a small bloodthirsty scrote demon with a penchant for babies blood, every time it gets hungry it causes him problems.