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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:00 pm

When the squirrels save up too many nuts for the winter those nuts must be taken from the squirrels so that the squirrels will get back on the treadmill and spin the system round for its owners


This is done in Hollywood, where creative artistic and sometimes bohemian people suddenly make a lot of money. These kinds of people are often the type of folks who really don't care that much about money, but are more interested in furthering their creative selves, and experiencing life, seeing the world, etc.

So .... Hollywood takes care of that by making sure you can't really get to that point of success without a cadre of agents, managers, and the like. Heck, they even coerce you into having a "business manager" so you don't have to "worry" about all your financial business and can just do your creative thing, right?

But what they're really doing is getting your overhead so high that you have to keep working for the studios.

They insist you buy a house, for instance, as big a house as you can "afford". They say it's an investment, it's a great use of your money, it's also important for your security with all those whacky fans out there who knows how you might be stalked and harassed if you don't live in a big secure out-of-the-way place. And you're gonna need it for entertaining, that's just one of those things you have to do in this business, right?

Then they hit you up with the need for the money to keep this going. They do everything they can to get you hooked on an extremely expensive lifestyle. So you'll keep making lots of money.

For them!

They are parasites, nothing more, but they run the place.

A microcosm of what we're talking about here.

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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby nathan28 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:15 pm

Drop in commodities prices:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/business/20markets.html?src=busln

That's *deflationary*--which is just as much a fucking problem as inflation, if not more of one, because inflation in the dollar reduces the debt burden on, oh, gee, the 85% of Americans with loans, and, like, all of Africa and Latin America's debt burden, as well, their currencies remaining equal. CPI also declined 2008-2009, -.4%, but to the credit of the hyperinflationist theorists, appears to be up 2009-2010, at least thus far.


barracuda wrote:Not all labor is converted into money, and not all money is produced as a result of labor. I'm sure you can think of several obvious examples of each.


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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:43 pm

Spend some time digging into either concept and you'll be in a dissociative state where order is chaos, up is out, and inflation is most definitely deflation.

Our economy is entirely state-controlled right now, most industries exist solely due to government stimulus, state tax breaks and incentives, and the consumer/procurement spending of Federal agencies. In a ZIRP, perpetual bailout environment, there is no anything-flation. Increasing tax burdens stabilize ongoing deflation, spiralling debt and market forces stabilize ongoing inflation, and nobody gets anywhere.

Those jobs are gone -- gone-type gone. Those savings and surpluses, doubly so. There is no infrastructure to replace it with and nobody knows what to do, and that's why Wall Street still has so much clout. It's not so much their money, as the fact they're the only guys in the room with a ready answer for How Do We Make More?
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby apologydue » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:40 pm

Those jobs are gone -- gone-type gone. Those savings and surpluses, doubly so. There is no infrastructure to replace it with


Truer words never spoken. The U.S. has been so thoroughly looted sometimes i'm not sure how it functions. The industrial manufacturing base of the infrastructure has already been carted off in chunks over a period of time. The bailout was largely an equity grab replaced with debt but a few nice chunks of the remaining industrial manufacturing sector were left for the taking, such as the auto industry.

There is still more that could be taken, but compared to what was in the bag its probably like crumbs in the eyes of the takers. What remains to be seen now is what will be done with the shell. I only see a couple of options.

One option is use the proceeds to continue to play King of The Hill in other parts of the world as they are currently doing and allow the U.S. to slowly recover its infrastructure. For some reason i'm having a hard time finding peaceful prosperity on the chalk board but of course it isn't impossible.

Another option is break it hard. Break it so hard that the Chinese Microsoft sweatshop jobs look like a god send. Turn it into a landscape of destitute and desperate people willing to work for anything they can get. This would make it attractive to corporations that desire manufacturing done in a slave wage sweat shop scenario. Other developing parts of the world would help in serving as the consumer base for the products.

If option 2 becomes reality I suspect Canada might go the same way eventually.

These are the sort of thoughts that cause nervousness over these nuclear attack drills on the chalk board.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Nordic » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:57 pm

apologydue wrote:Another option is break it hard. Break it so hard that the Chinese Microsoft sweatshop jobs look like a god send. Turn it into a landscape of destitute and desperate people willing to work for anything they can get. This would make it attractive to corporations that desire manufacturing done in a slave wage sweat shop scenario. Other developing parts of the world would help in serving as the consumer base for the products.



I can't help but think that's what's occurring here. Heck, just look at Los Angeles right now, where the cost of living is sky-high,yet the only jobs out there seem to be for 8 bucks an hour. Didn't used to be that way here. You simply cannot afford to live here for 8 bucks an hour, I honestly don't know how/why people are doing this. Are they all homeless? Are they all living with their parents? It makes no sense to me, and seems to be getting worse by the day.

Oh, and today it was announced that wholesale food prices shot up something like 43 percent last month, the most in 26 years. :shock:

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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby NeonLX » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:14 pm

Not to mention that the public edjumucation system in Kali-four-nye-ay is gonna go belly up right quick-like.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Nordic » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:19 pm

NeonLX wrote:Not to mention that the public edjumucation system in Kali-four-nye-ay is gonna go belly up right quick-like.


It's already on life support. If you live in Los Angeles, public schools simply aren't an option for anyone who wants their kids to actually get educated and stay out of trouble. Which means coughing up the dough for the private schools. Which has created quite the private-school industry. It's big business here.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:55 pm

Before we go on, let's look at the biggest possible macroeconomic measures of two key factors: Money and Debt.

MONEY SUPPLY - Since 1960

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Long term, going up. Trend was broken for a few years in the 1990s, when the government was running surpluses. Recent years, going up fast.

They dropped M3 - which adds a variety of timed deposits - in 2006, supposedly because it was inaccurate. This sent Paulians into a fit of claims that the Fed doesn't like how high it's getting. Shadow Stats (John Williams) at http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/monet ... ney-supply estimates it as having peaked over 14 trillion last year and for now dropped to about 14 trillion. That would put M3 money supply at around equal to GDP, which is a historic high.

US M3 as a percentage of GDP, historic
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MONEY SUPPLY - Recent Quarters
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/Current/
See there for their definitions of M1 and M2. You will note that money supply has continued to grow from year to year.

M1 with Currency & Demand Deposit components
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See that crazy short spike in late 2001 - in reaction to 9/11. Then it returned to trend, but look at how crazy thick the red line got - this represents a lot of day-to-day volatility.

MONEY BASE

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This is, basically, the Federal Reserve's balance sheet - the total it lends out to the banks. It's the base from which the rest of credit money is created by the fractional reserve system. After many many years to reach $800bn, they more than doubled it quasi overnight in September-Nov 2008, to more than $2100bn. The fractional reserve system has yet to unfold this into the full credit it could become (hence all the complaints that banks have money, but aren't lending it).

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DEBT

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Puts the public sector debts in perspective, don't it now?

To create this chart, someone helpfully plugged in the numbers from the table at Federal Reserve, "Flow of Funds Accounts of the United States," Release Z.1, March 2010: Table D3, "Debt Outstanding by Sector" (1978-2009). The full report is at http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/ ... ent/z1.pdf.

Using numbers from that chart, I see that starting in 1978, debt for all domestic non-financial sectors (household, business and public) tripled during the first decade, then almost doubled and doubled again in the two that followed, from 3,211 billion in 1978 to 34,702 billion in 2009, or a growth factor of almost 11. Mortgage debt grew by a factor of 14 (708 to 10,484), federal debt by a factor of 12.5 (621 to 7805). Federal debt in 2009 reached about 55% of GDP (after a 1.5 trillion deficit last year thanks to the bailouts and economic decline) but that's also nearly four times current annual Federal income (i.e., what they take in as revenues through taxes).

GDP unadjusted for inflation (nominal dollars, or what was actually in the books at each stage) went up from 2,417 billion in 1978 to 14,453 billion in 2009 (both Q4), or a growth factor of about 6.
Nominal-dollar GDP numbers from http://www.data360.org/dataset.aspx?Data_Set_Id=352

Thus the debt burden of non-financial sectors has nearly doubled relative to GDP.

By the way, after adding up the numbers for net borrowing in the same years (Fed Res Z.1 Table F.1), it seems that cumulatively the debt figures are very close to the total principle in credit extended, i.e. what was actually borrowed without the accumulated interest (which means that debtors, cumulatively, have tended to keep up with interest payments). However, I can't figure out what of the original principle has been paid off, and what out of the current debt outstanding represents interest. This matters because principle (credit extended) is created money, paid off principle is retired as money, and interest is added extra to debt without actual creation. But I guess the outstanding principle must be something like 90% of the money actually still in supply.

Now look at the chart again and note the blue piece - that's the debt of domestic financial sectors, most of which is what banks owe to banks or other financial entities, much of which is the fabled leverage. From 412 bn in 1978 that rose to 17,083 bn in 2008, or growth by a factor of 41. Then came the crash, and deleveraging, meaning a lot of banks paying off what they owed to banks (with more than a little help from you), resulting in a drop to 15,651 bn in 2009, or still a growth since 1978 by a factor of THIRTY-EIGHT, or 3.5 times more than the growth factor for the non-financial sectors. Relative to GDP, the financial sector debt outstanding has gone up from about 20 percent of GDP in 1978 to more than 110 percent.

That figure is a measure of the runaway growth in financial speculation independent of real production since the dawn of the neoliberal era with its removal of capital controls and banking regulations. Total financial sector debt is higher than the GDP and almost double the Federal debt. This is the big useless monster weighing down on the rest, and if it can't find profitable outlet before continued develeraging, it will cause a renewed crash.

As to who holds the grand total of FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS IN ALL SECTOR DEBT (2009): Fed Res Z.1, Table L.1 establishes that 75 percent of that is owed to the US financial sector, with the rest split 60/40 between households and rest of world.

About 8 trillion or more of that is supposedly in the hands of the top 6 banks.

Anyway, I felt like injecting some "real" numbers here. (Given that the Fed may be playing, relies on other statistical agencies and banks that may be playing, and anyway XX percent of the economy is underground, unaccounted, hidden or offshored.)

What I think they mean in terms of "inflation" and "deflation" can wait for another post, especially since a) these slippery terms need to be defined, and several of the definitions refer to real phenomena that are important whether or not they should be called inflation/deflation; and b) I change my mind regularly and often feel I have no clue.

Suffice to say it seems not everyone here is distinguishing between money, nominal asset values vs. prices, assets as opposed to income, different types of assets (nominal vs. real vs. cash), debt as opposed to liabilities, money circulation as opposed to supply, etc.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby 82_28 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:42 pm

Nordic wrote:
NeonLX wrote:Not to mention that the public edjumucation system in Kali-four-nye-ay is gonna go belly up right quick-like.


It's already on life support. If you live in Los Angeles, public schools simply aren't an option for anyone who wants their kids to actually get educated and stay out of trouble. Which means coughing up the dough for the private schools. Which has created quite the private-school industry. It's big business here.


What a just awful, pathetic, horrible, lamentable, confusing, JUST AWFUL time we are living within. Do people just not see what "precedents" are? We are just in awful shape.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby apologydue » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:01 am

The current generation, perhaps, will be genius compared to the next, and that isn't saying much. At the rate public education curriculum is collapsing, due to federal involvement, the next generation's education will be vastly inferior to the current generation's education. Federal intervention in public education has encumbered teachers with so many guidelines that they are no longer able to teach children in a sensible manner. Test scores have plummeted. The federal reaction is to fire teachers and impose more stringent federal guidelines. School systems nation wide are starved for funds and many schools are closing.

Many teachers have informed me, that as a result of having to fulfill federal guidelines in teaching programs, that they are unable to teach their students. In order for schools to continue to receive the federal funds they have become hooked on they must fulfill these guidelines.

The hook that has been stuck into public education is the same hook that has been stuck into national affairs. Federal Reserve money. Nothing less, nothing more. It is sucking the life out of public education just as it sucks the life from all it touches.

The disintegration of public education is as planned as the disintegration of national affairs. None of it is an accident.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:37 pm

JackRiddler wrote:and b) I change my mind regularly and often feel I have no clue.


Amen. The more I learn about economics, the more mutually contradictory conclusions I can prove. I tend to think that's the result of serious design flaws and multiple, over-lapping vocabularies created by multiple schools using different models and names. Which is, intellectually speaking, THUNDERFUCK BROKEN.

Great rundown on macro supply, though.

Side note:

See that crazy short spike in late 2001 - in reaction to 9/11. Then it returned to trend, but look at how crazy thick the red line got - this represents a lot of day-to-day volatility.


Based on my understanding of conversations with traders, both Street and personal, this volatility is the New Normal, and a number of cats I've spoken to feel that the big firms are deliberately manufacturing the volatility via computer automation. (FWIW, even if it's not planned, that's still how it happens, so there's a lot weight behind that possibility.)

But basically: that volatility is the fuel source for the past decade of profits, the growth of recent exchanges, and especially the Wall Street turnarounds from 2007-2010. It makes all the arbitrage possible, from FOREX to commodities to the good old NYSE. One phrase I hear often is "Inversion" -- that volatility is so consistent it becomes a very reliable and risk-free environment.

Just thought you might want that puzzle piece. Remain awesome at all times, and please do continue the convo. I, at least, would appreciate wherever you're headed.
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby apologydue » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:29 pm

Based on my understanding of conversations with traders, both Street and personal, this volatility is the New Normal, and a number of cats I've spoken to feel that the big firms are deliberately manufacturing the volatility via computer automation. (FWIW, even if it's not planned, that's still how it happens, so there's a lot weight behind that possibility.)



Absolutely. It is impossible to make money in the market on something that stands still. It has to move. When the auto traders kick in its pretty obvious if you know how to read a Level 2 board. It looks like 2 pyramids opposing one another on each side of the board. One pointing up, one pointing down.It eats everything in the middle one tiny bite at a time, the same way you eat an elephant..
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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby 82_28 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:38 pm

After that day in 2001 I noted that for at least two weeks the world, the city, everything became quiet. It began with no more jets in the sky for a day or two and then I noted it was just anybody out and about doing anything. Clerks crying in grocery stores, the newspapers and weeklies, I noted also got really thin. Like no content. Nobody had anything to write about, report on, to sell or advertise etc.

Then up came the signs, the cheap signs on the sides of bank branches. The cheapest imaginable signs there could be. Like a used car dealership type signage. You know, honestly I knew then we were fucked -- just by the signs. No bank had ever done that before. They seemed too chintzy to be real in view of what had happened. It showed weakness, a neediness. Then we were admonished, encouraged to go out and shop. The next chapter began.

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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby apologydue » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:23 pm

After that day in 2001 I noted that for at least two weeks the world, the city, everything became quiet. It began with no more jets in the sky for a day or two and then I noted it was just anybody out and about doing anything. Clerks crying in grocery stores, the newspapers and weeklies, I noted also got really thin. Like no content. Nobody had anything to write about, report on, to sell or advertise etc.

Then up came the signs, the cheap signs on the sides of bank branches. The cheapest imaginable signs there could be. Like a used car dealership type signage. You know, honestly I knew then we were fucked -- just by the signs. No bank had ever done that before. They seemed too chintzy to be real in view of what had happened. It showed weakness, a neediness. Then we were admonished, encouraged to go out and shop. The next chapter began.



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Re: Get Ready, Inflation Is On The Way

Postby Nordic » Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:18 am

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