Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

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Postby American Dream » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:46 pm

http://trueslant.com/charlesjohnson/201 ... ex-killer/

REPORT: BELGIAN CARDINAL LINKED TO CONVICTED SEX KILLER

The Catholic Church child abuse scandal in Belgium just got a whole lot worse. Belgian newspaper Het Laaste Niews is reporting that when authorities searched the home of the former archbishop of Brussels, Cardinal Godfried Danneels, they discovered a hidden cache of documents and photographs on notorious child sex killer Marc Dutroux — documents that Danneels was not supposed to have. Here’s a Google translation of one of their reports:

The Brussels court at the searches in the archbishop’s palace in Mechelen found documents which are wondering how it ended up. That requires the latest news.

These include photographs of the excavations and the children’s corpses of Julie and Melissa, and documents about pedophilia that was only intended for the court. Cardinal Danneels may be explained by the detectives.

Not intended for Church
The confidential, court documents in the last days found among the many documents that were seized June 24 in Mechelen archiepiscopal palace. These reports between magistrates, which was only intended to justice, especially for the Church. It’s a mystery what the researchers that documents in the basement of the archbishop did.

The same goes for hundreds of photos from the Dutroux investigation and large parts of the court record of the victims Julie and Melissa. The investigators were in the archbishop’s palace, dozens of photographs from the excavations of their cells, to allow autopsies, according to Het Laatste Nieuws.

The court also wants clarification about the correspondence that was burned and about secret dossiers on pedophilia in the Church.
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby semper occultus » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:57 pm

These include photographs of the excavations and the children’s corpses of Julie and Melissa, and documents about pedophilia that was only intended for the court


if that's true that does my fucking head in.....have they uncovered the episcopal spank-bank or what ?! :drool2:
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Jeff » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:33 pm

A German report on the Dutroux discovery.

Many Belgians saw ... evidence of a powerful network of child molesters behind Dutroux. The present church finds likely fuel speculation again.
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby jingofever » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:24 am

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Meanwhile, the Belgian newspaper Het Laatse Nieuws reported that investigators had found in church possession secret police files relating to a wave of child kidnappings and murders in the 1990s perpetrated by Marc Dutroux. who is now serving a life sentence in a Belgian prison.

An official with the prosecutor's office refused to comment on the story, which wasn't sourced.

Other Belgian newspapers, some citing Het Laatse Nieuws, also reported the Dutroux news.

"However, I will confirm that we found material that was weird," the official said.

"I don't react to wild rumors," said Rev. Eric de Beukelaer, a spokesman for the Belgian bishops.

"When there are facts I'll be in a position to comment," he added.

Father de Beukelaer said he himself had been questioned by police investigators and wasn't asked about the criminal files mentioned in the Belgian newspaper.

Looks like The Sprout was onto something. (Of course there is the possibility that their reporting could have caused his interest in the case but I'm not betting on that.)
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Gouda » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:20 am

More on The Sprout and the secret police files in today's Le Soir article, followed by a not too crap Babel Fish translation:

Le dossier Dutroux a été envoyé par un magazine anglais

mercredi 07 juillet 2010,

Les photos de l’autopsie de Julie et Mélissa, découvertes lors des perquisitions menées à l’archevêché, ont été envoyées au cardinal Danneels en 2004 par les auteurs d’un magazine satirique anglais, rapporte De Morgen ce mercredi. Le mensuel The Sprout espérait ainsi obtenir une réaction du Cardinal. Les auteurs du magazine pensent en effet que Monseigneur Danneels et onze autres notables belges pourraient avoir tué les fillettes. De Morgen rappelle qu’au début du procès d’assises contre Marc Dutroux, début 2004, trois DVD contenant l’intégralité du dossier judiciaire contre Dutroux et consorts sont arrivés dans les mains de journalistes judiciaires belges. Les éditeurs du magazine anglais en ont reçu une copie en avril 2004.

Le magazine mensuel est principalement destiné à la communauté d’expatriés à Bruxelles. Il a publié les photos de l’autopsie comme « preuves » pour illustrer une histoire inventée de toutes pièces selon laquelle Julie et Mélissa ne seraient pas mortes dans la cave de Marc Dutroux mais lors du tournage d’un « snuffmovie » auquel douze notables belges auraient participé. Selon « The Sprout », dont l’entièreté du tirage avait d’ailleurs été saisi par la Justice après à peine cinq heures, le bourgmestre de Molenbeek Philippe Moureaux et le cardinal Godfried Danneels y avaient notamment participé. Les auteurs du magazine avaient également envoyé plusieurs photos au Vatican dans l’espoir d’obtenir une réaction. Le Vatican avait renvoyé les documents à l’archevêché de Malines, où ils ont vraisemblablement disparu dans les archives, avant d’être découverts par les enquêteurs, selon De Morgen.

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The photographs of the autopsy of Julie and Mélissa, discovered at the time of the searchings led to the archbishop's palace, were sent to the Cardinal Danneels in 2004 by the authors of an English satirical magazine, brings back De Morgen this Wednesday. The monthly magazine The Sprout thus hoped to obtain a reaction from the Cardinal. The authors of the magazine indeed think that Monseigneur Danneels and eleven other notable Belgians could have killed the young girls. De Morgen recalls that at the beginning of the lawsuit bases against Marc Dutroux, at the beginning of 2004, three DVD containing the entirety of the legal file against Dutroux and consorts arrived in the hands of Belgian legal journalists. The editors of the English magazine received a copy in April 2004 from them.

The monthly magazine is mainly intended for the community of expatriates in Brussels. It published the photographs of the autopsy as “evidence” to illustrate an invented history according to which Julie and Mélissa did not die in the cellar of Marc Dutroux, but during the filming of a “snuffmovie” in which twelve notable Belgians took part. According to “The Sprout” -- whose entirety had been seized besides by Justice after barely five hours -- the burgomaster of Molenbeek, Philippe Moureaux, and cardinal Godfried Danneels in particular had taken part in it. The authors of the magazine had also sent several photographs to the Vatican in the hope to obtain a reaction. The Vatican had referred the documents to the archbishop's palace of Malignant, where they probably disappeared in the files, before being discovered by the investigators, according to Morgen.

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And from the Belgian X-Dossiers @ the ISGP:
Full name is Georges de Kerchove d'Exaerde. Attorney in Brussels who prefers 1) civil responsibility; insurances 2) penal right 3) right of the family (marriage, divorce, filiation, adoption) 4) right of the strangers. A family member, with whom he shares his office focuses on European law and law dealing with societies and organizations. September 28, 1996, "penaliste" Georges de Kerchove in Le Soir: "Mr. Connerotte has been seen with Sabine and Laetitia in presence of the press. A judge cannot give the impression that he feels sympathy for one or the other party in the trial... The presumption of innocence must remain intact for Dutroux." In other words, Kerchove supported the action that Connerotte was to be kicked off the Dutroux-Nihoul investigation, which led to massive protests in Belgium and the general assumption that there was a cover up.

January 15, 1998, Agence CIP, 'Brussels: the court would like hear cardinal Danneels': "Cardinal Godfried Danneels, archbishop of Malines[Mechelen]-Brussels, could be summoned as a witness in the affair of abbot Andre Vanderlyn, former vicar of a parish in the capital, arrested in June 1997 and prosecuted for charges of rape committed over twenty years [actually, 30 years] of about ten miners [sic] aged 10 to 18 years... Last December 18, after having heard the testimony of monseigneur Paul Lanneau, assistant bishop to cardinal Danneels, Georges de Kerchove, attorney of the civilian party, had asked and received from the court permission to cite the archbishop and his assistant as "civilly responsible" for the acts committed by the priest over whom they had authority."

In April 1998, Vanderlyn was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting three children and his bishop was ordered to pay $14,000 to only one victim. The Belgian court ruled that Cardinal Danneels and a local bishop were responsible for the abuse because they were the supervisors of the priest, and were ordered to pay damages totaling $14,000 to one of the victims. In September, in appeal, Danneels was acquitted of his responsibility for the actions of Vanderlyn.

In 2004, Cardinal Danneels was featured in The Sprout as being involved and blackmailed over a tape on which the torture and murder of Julie and Melissa could be seen. The issue of the Sprout was taken out of the stores within hours and interestingly, the media did not start a debate over the pictures of the autopsy on Julie and Melissa, which, according to the Sprout, showed that they had been tortured before their death, and did not just die from starvation as claimed by Dutroux. Kerchove is a long time human rights activist. Chairman of ATD Quart Monde (4th world) Walloon-Brussel (Belgium) 1987-1988 and again since 1992. This is a Catholic organization aimed at somehow relieving the world of poor people. Member of Carnet Mondain, "the Yearbook of distinguished Belgian families", together with Chevalier Charles de Selliers de Moranville and wife (accused of involvement in the child abuse network), Baron Guibert de Viron (a family member is accused of trafficking drugs and children, and is married into the de Caters family who has also been accused), Jacques G. Jonet (accused of covering up the Pinon Affair; once Otto von Habsburg's political secretary; through his involvement with Mouvement d'Action pour l'Unite Europeenne he came at CEPIC and PDG headquarters), Count Henri d'Udekem d'Acoz (family married into the royal family and are close to the Knights of Malta), Countess Rodolphe d'Ursel (a family member is accused of being part of the abuse network of Baron de Bonvoisin, to whom this family is close).
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby semper occultus » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:45 am

The Vatican had referred the documents to the archbishop's palace of Malignant...

for real ?

seems pretty appropriate
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Gouda » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:02 am

The Vatican had referred the documents to the archbishop's palace of Malignant...
Babel Fish is more intuitive than accurate?

Actually, the town is "Malines" in French, and "Mechelen" in Flemish/Dutch.
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby hanshan » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:28 am

Gouda wrote:
The Vatican had referred the documents to the archbishop's palace of Malignant...
Babel Fish is more intuitive than accurate?

Actually, the town is "Malines" in French, and "Mechelen" in Flemish/Dutch.



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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby nathan28 » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:31 pm

The photographs of the autopsy of Julie and Mélissa, discovered at the time of the searchings led to the archbishop's palace, were sent to the Cardinal Danneels in 2004 by the authors of an English satirical magazine, brings back De Morgen this Wednesday. The monthly magazine The Sprout thus hoped to obtain a reaction from the Cardinal. The authors of the magazine indeed think that Monseigneur Danneels and eleven other notable Belgians could have killed the young girls


Besides the fact that it sounds like a lame excuse for something pretty fucking unbelievably terrifying, am I the only one bothered by this? What is it with satirists (besides Dave McGowan, who is an unwitting satirist) being the only ones who are willing to take this shit seriously?
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby hanshan » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:12 pm

nathan28 wrote:
The photographs of the autopsy of Julie and Mélissa, discovered at the time of the searchings led to the archbishop's palace, were sent to the Cardinal Danneels in 2004 by the authors of an English satirical magazine, brings back De Morgen this Wednesday. The monthly magazine The Sprout thus hoped to obtain a reaction from the Cardinal. The authors of the magazine indeed think that Monseigneur Danneels and eleven other notable Belgians could have killed the young girls


Besides the fact that it sounds like a lame excuse for something pretty fucking unbelievably terrifying, am I the only one bothered by this? What is it with satirists (besides Dave McGowan, who is an unwitting satirist) being the only ones who are willing to take this shit seriously?



Excellent question. & no, you're not the only one.



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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Jeff » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:16 pm

It's the moral imperative of satirists to take seriously the shit polite society refuses to see. I think that's why.
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby crikkett » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:17 pm

nathan28 wrote:Besides the fact that it sounds like a lame excuse for something pretty fucking unbelievably terrifying, am I the only one bothered by this? What is it with satirists (besides Dave McGowan, who is an unwitting satirist) being the only ones who are willing to take this shit seriously?

I understand that in the Celtic tradition the Satirist keeps the King in line.

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Every folk group has special traditions with regard to magical practice. To the contrary of trends in modern occultism these traditions are not merely windaw dressing on a universal pattern- the differences reflect real and often profound variations between and among traditions. In studying the Celtic traditions of magic certain unique themes occur which are worth pointing out. These themes help distinguish the Celtic traditions from others. If these themes are found inspiring, then the Celtic tradition is a place to explore them further in the environment of ideas which will lead the seeker to deeper findings along the same path.
1. Magic of the Head
NO other tradition, with the possible exception of the Slavic, is more focused on the human head (and brain) as the seat of magical powers. When one reads the ancient Irish tales one becomes aware of the degree to which the Celts were head hunters. The reason for this is that their magical physiology holds that the head is the seat of power- an honour. This a warrior attempts to steal from an enemy, and assume himself. Hence the ancient Irish were known to eat a portion of a slain enemy's brain. The head-hunting practices of Irish fighters continued until the mid-19th century, when early Irish immigrants to North America fighting for the Confederacy were known to have hunted the heads of Union soldiers. (See Professor Grady McWhiney's book Attack and Die.) Also, however, the heads of one's own ancestors were to be preserved- and displayed at certain holy times. This "cult of the head" is conspicuous at the Celtic temple at Roquepertuse, which contains stone pillars with niches into which the heads of ancestral heroes were placed. This is without doubt also the ultimate origin of the "jack-o-lantern"the carved cephalomorphic gourd familiar in Halloween customs. It is thought by many that the myth of the head of Mimir, which informs the God Odin, is ultimately a Celtic influence.
2. Memory
Mimir means memory- and the exercise of memory in and of itself seems to have a magical importance for the Celts. This is a trait they share with the Aryans of the east. The Druidic training program is said to have consisted of twenty years of learning lore by memory. The exercise of this faculty for its own sake, beyond the ready access to information it provides to the subject is something the Celts seem to have especially appreciated. the ogham system was most certainly one of the practical tools used in this exercise. Poems and stories were among the things memorized.
3. Story-Telling
The stories recited by Celtic tellers of tales were not merely for entertainment- they were also not merely mythic tales in which the traditions of the people were encoded. Stories are actually said to have operative magical effects. It might be said that the hearing of a certain story would bring a number of years of good fortune, but the telling of a story would bring even more. (See Rees and Rees, The Celtic Heritage.)
4. Language and Music
No people seem more Iyrical than the Celts. The linkage between music (harmonics) and language (meaning) is strong. In the lore of magic this reaches its apex in operative techniques by which changes in the environment, or in the human mind, can actually be effected by means of musical strains alone. This is a theory explored by the Pythagoreans, but in the lore of the Celts it appears to have been an ancient traditional operative technique.
5. Inter-Dimensionality
No other traditional lore seems to have a better or more realistic understanding of the magical experience of inter-dimensionality. The regular interaction with the "otherworld" or the "underworld" is a common feature of Irish and Welsh mythic tales as well as folktales from the Celtic cultures. It is from these that the Arthurian legends inherit their "inter-dimensional" features- such as the Grail Castle appearing and disappearing from various "places" at various "times." This mutual effect of one "world" upon another is reflected in the very grammar of the Celtic languages wherein one word, when juxtaposed to another for a specific grarnrnatical, syntactic and semantic purpose, will cause the latter word to change its shape (sound). For example the Irish word for "cow" is bo, and the word for "white" is ban, but to say "a white cow," one must say, or write, bo bhan (pron. boh-vawn).
6. "Satirizing"
By the use of words - of poetry - the fili("master poets") were able to cause physical changes in the bodies of other individuals. This was done with "satire." The fact that satirical verse has a patently humorous aspect is the essentially Celtic dimension here. Because Celtic kings could not rule if they suffered any physical defect or blemish, all the satirists had to do in order to depose a king was to, by means of a satirical verse, raise boils on his face. All would see the blemish, and his rule would be at an end.
7. Operative Fasting
Fasting for "spiritual" reasons is familiar throughout the world. To fast-really to starve the body - in order to make subjective changes is obvious. Celtic magicians could, however, "fast on" their enemies as an operative curse formula. By starving himself to near death the sorcerer can actually cause the death of his enemy. This technique is something entirely different from, though apparently related to, the use of fasting as a way to "protest" supposed injustices. This latter technique works only through the medium of information in the context of public morality, whereas the operative fasting of the ancient Celtic magicians worked in a mysterious way.
8. Magical Taboos
Again "taboos" - negative prohibitions against certain behaviours-- and other behavioural sanctions are familiar in most religious traditions. The Irish gess [pron. gaysh] (plural gessa) is most often translated something like "taboo." It is, however, something quite different from what is usually meant by this word. A gess, although usually a prohibition against behaviour, actually provides power to the individual. The more gessa that have been "put on" a person (usually by a sorcerer) the more danger recipients live with- but also the more power recipients have at their disposal. To have a gess is both a curse and a boon simultaneously.
These eight distinctive points of Celtic magic, being aspects which distinguish that tradition from others, should be focal points of research and practice in any program to develop a true magical renaissance of the Celtic tradition.


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(disclaimer: I heard the 'satire' story from a Welshman and this 'supporting' material came up in Google.)
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Jeff » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:20 pm

Belgian Bishops Protest "Wild" Press Assumptions

BRUSSELS, Belgium, JULY 7, 2010 (Zenit.org).- The Belgian bishop' conference is protesting accusations by a newspaper that claimed documents were found linking the archbishopric of Malines-Brussels with a serial killer known as "the monster of Marcinelle."


The bishops called a press conference today to respond to rumors circulated by the Tuesday publication of the newspaper "Het Laatste Nieuws," Vatican Radio reported.

The paper claimed that a June 24 police raid on the archdiocesan offices uncovered documents linked to the case of Marc Dutroux, a serial killer who was arrested in 1996 and convicted for sexually abusing, torturing and murdering several girls as young as 8.

This rumor was picked up and elaborated on by several other media sources worldwide.

It was compounded by the fact that the former archbishop of Malines-Brussels, Cardinal Godfried Danneels, was interrogated by police investigators for ten hours on Tuesday, which caused some media sources to jump to conclusions and assume a direct relation with the rumored documents.

Eric de Beukelaer, the conference spokesman, stated to journalists, "We wanted to address the press today because we really feel that justice has to do its work; that's what the bishops want."

"We need serenity and this kind of wild information is insane because it gives the impression of a very dramatic atmosphere with plots all around," he asserted.

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Cathobel, the press office of the bishops' conference, released a statement expressing the "astonishment" of the prelates regarding the unfounded media reports.

The conference stated that "it would be very regrettable if the information covered by professional secrecy and the investigation had been voluntarily released to the press by people involved in the investigation, in order to provoke sensational reactions."

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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby Simulist » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:32 pm

Most guys that are fixin' to get lynched are in favor of "serenity" — and right "now."

I think the world has been much too serene (and for far too long) in the face of this kind of evil.
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Re: Belgian Catholic church HQ raided in paedophile probe

Postby slomo » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:25 am

Eric de Beukelaer, the conference spokesman, stated to journalists, "We wanted to address the press today because we really feel that justice has to do its work; that's what the bishops want."

Translation: we need time to bribe, blackmail, and threaten everybody involved so that this story can die a quiet death.
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