congestive heart failure

[8bitagent]

It's interesting how characters like David Rockefeller(what is he like 100?), Poppy Bush, Cheney, etc seem to live forever despite odds being against them if they were simply lay people.

I recall on the Daily Show(or it might have been Colbert Report) a few years ago they had a skit announcing Dick Cheney had fully become mostly machine, like some sort of sentient program android terminator creature.

[DoYouEverWonder]

It's interesting how characters like David Rockefeller(what is he like 100?), Poppy Bush, Cheney, etc seem to live forever despite odds being against them if they were simply lay people.

I recall on the Daily Show(or it might have been Colbert Report) a few years ago they had a skit announcing Dick Cheney had fully become mostly machine, like some sort of sentient program android terminator creature.

I went to HS across the street from David Rockefeller's townhouse and he was ancient then and that was a long time ago.

He's definitely living proof that only the good die young.

[82_28]

It's interesting how characters like David Rockefeller(what is he like 100?), Poppy Bush, Cheney, etc seem to live forever despite odds being against them if they were simply lay people.

I recall on the Daily Show(or it might have been Colbert Report) a few years ago they had a skit announcing Dick Cheney had fully become mostly machine, like some sort of sentient program android terminator creature.

I went to HS across the street from David Rockefeller's townhouse and he was ancient then and that was a long time ago.

He's definitely living proof that only the good die young.

Yup. Because we're too worried and conscious to not care about others. Sure, it would be nice to not worry so much. Sure, it would be nice to have not made what the assholes of this world berate us as having been "poor decisions". Sure it would be nice. All that right-wing excuse for cleverness they call "kumbaya" over the last decade we've been arguing with them about online. I want to feel evil. I want to get even. But this helps me, those I love, those I know, those I participate in forums with, not at all!

I want to instead know from where evil comes from. I want to outsmart it. I want to destroy it through phagocytosis.

39. Out of itself the Brain has constructed a physician to heal it. This subform of the Macro-Brain is not deranged; it moves through the Brain, as a phagocyte moves through the cardiovascular system of an animal, healing the derangement of the Brain in section after section. We know of its arrival here; we know it as Asklepios for the Greeks and as the Essenes for the Jews; as the Therapeutae for the Egyptians; as Jesus for the Christians.




40. To be "born again," or "born from above," or "born of the Spirit," means to become healed; which is to say restored, restored to sanity. Thus it is said in the New Testament that Jesus cast out devils. He restores our lost faculties. Of our present debased state Calvin said, "(Man) was at the same time deprived of those supernatural endowments which had been given him for the hope of eternal salvation. Hence it follows, that he is exiled from the Kingdom of God, in such a manner that all the affections relating to the happy life of the soul are also extinguished in him, till he recovers them by the grace of God... All these things, being restored by Christ, are esteemed adventitious and prenatural; and therefore we conclude that they had been lost. Again: soundness of mind and rectitude of heart were also destroyed; and this is the corruption of the natural talents. For although we retain some portion of understanding and judgment together with the will, yet we cannot say that our mind is perfect and sound. Reason... being a natural talent, it could not be totally destroyed, but is partly debilitated..." I say, "The Empire never ended."

41. The Empire is the institution, the codification, of derangement; it is insane and imposes its insanity on us by violence, since its nature is a violent one.

42. To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox: whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its enemies.

43. Against the Empire is posed the living information, the plasmate or physician, which we know as the Holy Spirit or Christ discorporate. These are the two principles, the dark (the Empire) and the light (the plasmate). In the end, Mind will give victory to the latter. Each of us will die or survive according to which he aligns himself and his efforts with. Each of us contains a component of each. Eventually one or the other component will triumph in each human. Zoroaster knew this, because the Wise Mind informed him. He was the first savior. Four have lived in all. A fifth is about to be born, who will differ from the others: he will rule and he will judge us.

44. Since the universe is actually composed of information, then it can be said that information will save us. This is the saving gnosis which the Gnostics sought. There is no other road to salvation. However, this information—or more precisely the ability to read and understand this information, the universe as information—can only be made available to us by the Holy Spirit. We cannot find it on our own. Thus it is said that we are saved by the grace of God and not by good works, that all salvation belongs to Christ, who, I say, is a physician.

45. In seeing Christ in a vision I correctly said to him, "We need medical attention." In the vision there was an insane creator who destroyed what he created, without purpose; which is to say, irrationally. This is the deranged streak in the Mind; Christ is our only hope, since we cannot now call on Asklepios. Asklepios came before Christ and raised a man from the dead; for this act, Zeus had a Kyklopes slay him with a thunderbolt. Christ also was killed for what he had done: raising a man from the dead. Elijah brought a boy back to life and disappeared soon thereafter in a whirlwind. "The Empire never ended."

http://deoxy.org/pkd_tcs.htm

[Iamwhomiam]

If only we had passed universal health coverage... Now I know why those soulless republicans dreaded "death panels."

I wonder what would happen if he was Tased?

Great pics, btw.

[Simulist]

I wonder what would happen if he was Tased?

He'd probably sap the taser dry, and still want more. (I bet Lynne zaps him every morning, just to wake him up before coffee.)

By the way, I hear he's "undecided" on a heart transplant. You know, as I understand it, some patients who receive vital organs from others sometimes begin to show some of the donor traits in the weeks and months following transplantation. Wouldn't it be interesting if Dick Cheney receives the heart of a really, really good person — and then began to feel real horror over his own errant life?

Unlikely, I realize — but I sincerely wish something could change the man; I'd like to think that perhaps even Dick Cheney is not beyond redemption.

At the very least, something along those general lines might make an entertaining screenplay, I suppose.

[82_28]

I wonder what would happen if he was Tased?

He'd probably sap the taser dry, and still want more. (I bet Lynne zaps him every morning, just to wake him up before coffee.)

By the way, I hear he's "undecided" on a heart transplant. You know, as I understand it, some patients who receive vital organs from others sometimes begin to show some of the donor traits in the weeks and months following transplantation. Wouldn't it be interesting if Dick Cheney receives the heart of a really, really good person — and then began to feel real horror over his own errant life?

Unlikely, I realize — but I sincerely wish something could change that man. I'd like to think that perhaps even Dick Cheney is not beyond redemption.

At the very least, something along those general lines might make an entertaining screenplay, I suppose.

Do you think that asshole could handle knowing some other dude's heart is in him? Wait till he hears it's an Iraqi person's heart. Thinking about it, that would probably be the best punishment ever. Even make it Saddam Hussein's heart. That would rule. Other than creeping me out just thinking about it. Organ transplants, while life saving, creep me the fuck out.

[freemason9]

some of those remarkably old folks reach those ripe ages because they lead relatively risk-free existences; they are very careful of everything, and they fear death greatly.

[Simulist]

Do you think that asshole could handle knowing some other dude's heart is in him?

Hmm. Probably not unless he'd eaten it.

[Alaya]

Ahh..you guys are in rare form tonight.

[jingofever]

From here:

I'm a surgeon and just read your wire story about Dick Cheney getting a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD) placed. The story downplays the seriousness of that procedures...once you've got an LVAD in place, it means your heart is essentially incapable of working on its own and has no potential to improve. While LVAD outcomes have been improving, and some patients live months or even years with one of these devices in place, this is a HUGE operation with MAJOR associated morbidity and mortality. If he's not listed for a heart transplant, his days are seriously numbered. Life on an LVAD isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy...an axiom that this situation really tests. He's in for a rough time.

Funny, Cheney used the phrase "this is a HUGE operation with MAJOR associated morbidity and mortality" when he was promoting the Iraq War. But don't worry folks, I'm sure the corpse of some missing student will show up with his heart crudely cut out and Cheney will shortly after announce a full recovery.

[Nordic]

If Cheney doesn't die in jail, I'm gonna be seriously pissed off.

I'll keep him alive a little longer just to get him there. If I could. (and if I thought there was any chance of that actually happening)

[HamdenRice]

At this point, why won't Cheney settle for a "good death"? After reading this quote ...

I'm a surgeon and just read your wire story about Dick Cheney getting a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD) placed. The story downplays the seriousness of that procedures...once you've got an LVAD in place, it means your heart is essentially incapable of working on its own and has no potential to improve. While LVAD outcomes have been improving, and some patients live months or even years with one of these devices in place, this is a HUGE operation with MAJOR associated morbidity and mortality. If he's not listed for a heart transplant, his days are seriously numbered. Life on an LVAD isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy...an axiom that this situation really tests. He's in for a rough time.

I'm reminded of an article I read in the NY Times magazine a few weeks ago by Kathy Butler about the prolonged death of her father, Jeffrey Butler. He had a stroke and then a pacemaker inserted. Unfortunately, he declined into dementia and the family would have preferred that he be allowed to have a dignified, less painless death, but once the pacemaker was inserted, no doctor would "turn it off," and so he had a horrible, long, painful period of bedridden dementia.

When the writer's mother became ill a few years later, she decided to have a "good death" surrounded by her family.

This raises the question of Cheney's values and those of his family.

Why does Cheney want to live in this condition? Why is continuing his life at all costs of quality of life so important?

Could it be that his life of evil and mass murder makes him want to put off "meeting his maker" for as long as possible?

BTW, sorry for starting a similar thread this morning -- hadn't seen this one.

[brekin]

Some literature on the procedure he underwent:

[Simulist]

Cheney's heart would probably taste like chicken (hawk).

[Nordic]

Why does Cheney want to live in this condition?

Just to piss us off.