Message to RIers

[Simulist]

Anyone who proposes becoming overly concerned with the "feelings" of anonymous user names in a forum as heavily trolled and gamed as RI is opening himself up to a world of hurt. I advise rather employing a set of good boundaries, them sending out the love within those.

That's good advice.

[Montag]

Well, as this thread progresses, now I'm wondering if has any purpose. Oh well, I got some ideas out there. I think I've made posts like this before elsewhere, I guess I make them thinking a board will change; I've spent enough time here I guess to like something about it lol. I should probably expect the same RI and working through my shit rather than trying to get others to come to Jesus.

[Simulist]

I should probably expect the same RI and working through my shit rather than trying to get others to come to Jesus.

Well, "coming to Jesus" means different things to different people. No one fully possesses "the Truth" — despite the protestations of some to the contrary.

That's why as many different "points of view" are necessary in order to see as clearly as possible.

[Joe Hillshoist]

It's not an agreement forum, it's a discussion forum. If your ideas can't take a challenge, why bother presenting them?

You might consider doing a search on the subject you're about to post to read what (if anything) has already been discussed here to avoid the

'not this shit AGAIN' aspect to responding posts.

that norton just mentioned.

The last thing I'd want is for this forum to become a place where anyone can post anything. It's ok to be selective, Nature does it.

Rigorous is the first word in the name, Intuition is the second. That's how I keep it straight.

Yet, in many ways this is an "agreement" forum. It's small enough that we recognize one another and we stick to the "charter" of RI so to speak. This place spares no room for a fascist. I come here to be away from the LULZ, PWN3D, tin foil accusations and more for the "family" atmosphere. I don't know why I think that. Perhaps it's that the agents have gotten that good at emulating people I don't know yet am able to trust them all the same. I will say this place has its dicks and it has its bitches and all of them lovable in their own unique ways. I come here to see Nordic get pissed, MinM to bump a thread, justdrew to have a friendly interesting comment, to see barracuda release some of his snark, for Jeff to finally toss up there a "new blog post" thread, to see Twyla's tits, Montag's big fish -- you name it. Yes, shit is discussed here and shit is agreed on too, at the end of the day though it is only an Internet board where a lot of borderline neurotic people tend to look out for the feelings of the other members -- as it should be. As they say in the south of France, "No gran cosa".

Just stay within the bounds of what is acceptable, hospitable and safe for other members and allz good.

I thought you came here so we could all hang shit on Morrisey.

Ok good,
Those are mostly positive responses... Perhaps I have reacted poorly to somethings that I kind of dreamed up myself. I'll read over more closely in the future people's responses. I think I do have a tendency to skim things and interpret negatively certain people's comments at times.

FWIW, even when it seems personal it probably isn't. We all get passionate about this stuff, whether its a "conspiracy theory" or not. What Annie said is good advice (as usual), and one thing that always helps is names and dates, and documentation.

For example, that wikileaks stuff. I know we disagreed about the context right, but I'd be more than happy to accept actual documentation, even some real speculation based on how wikileaks came about for example, cos one part of their initial motivation was to break down Chinese censorship, and certainly you'd expect the US to want in on that sort of thing as far as infiltration goes.

But as yet we haven't seen much of that.

I see that as a sort of cynicism and distrust of anything that appears too good to be true.

Fair enough, thats good, but so far imo its only confirmation bias that really drives the idea. (So far.) Plus the idea that the people who "run things" are all powerful an omnipotent, when they aren't. So wrt to wikileaks evidence one way (or the other) would be good.

I don't want to drag all that stuff up again, I'm explaining it from my pov, so you can see where I'm coming from.

Cos whats always made this forum really good, apart from the people posting here, is the way people document evidence and try to challenge their own ideas too.

[DrVolin]

When people ask me whether I am a conspiracy theorist, I reply that I'm not much of a coincidence theorist.

[bardobailey]

Why did this forum go from an aboriginal campfire to the hadron collider? now and then I see the sparks. Mostly it's just the hum of machinery. maybe it's my meds.

[Nordic]

Wayne madsen isn't Jesus.

[ultramegagenius]

Wayne Madsen's report on the Xtian mafia proved timely and insightful:

http://www.insider-magazine.com/christianmafia.htm

his constant updates on the Bush admin and NSA also proved to be convincing and appropriate to the real depths of admin mendacity:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

woe be it to he that limits his sources of info to that which has already become obvious on its face.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I left RI for a bit, 'cause I decided this is not a conspiracy forum. The problem is that posters raise a lot of issues that fall into this realm and then I get roped into CT discussions...

Are you David Aaronovitch, or Mark Lawson? You have a distinctly BBC style. You are able to not say anything of note or interest, while still insulting everybody. It's quite a talent.

[Free]

I hear you Montag.

Debate is an art, perhaps a disappearing art. Verbal abuse and bullying are very different, and unfortunately both are common on R.I.

[Montag]

I see Ahab's had his nasty pills today. His kind of stuff, I'm glad we didn't see too much of in the thread... I think it's been a net positive. So I'm going to leave the thread and declare victory/mission accomplished. Though, I think I've kind of learned how naive it is to initiate this sort of thing.

[norton ash]

“Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.” - Graham Greene, The Quiet American

[Peregrine]

You are able to not say anything of note or interest, while still insulting everybody. It's quite a talent.

How was Montag insulting everybody?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well, although I'm still unclear on what the original post here was really "about," I have also come to realize that 82_28 was right to a big extent about me. I am absolutely part of the reason we can't have nice things here. I'm not going to erase what I unloaded on Hugh last night because I don't feel like he "didn't deserve it" -- but I do feel like I need to really check myself and my conduct here.

I think it might partially be a generation gap issue. There's some very erudite and straight-shooting older folks here who don't grok Internets lingo and the double-bind ironic sarcasm that's like oxygen for middle class white kids like myself. And really, it's a pretty dumb-ass nomenclature I should have outgrown about 5 years ago. (THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!)

The mantra remains: words on a screen, words on a screen, words on a screen.

[barracuda]

I don't know, Wombaticus. I watched that entire exchange in real time, as you got angry, then pulled your posts and edited the tone back, etc. You were much more forgiving than I would have been. Which, come to think of it, isn't saying much.