Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:37 pm

Nordic wrote:Yeah, okay, I'm sure all those iPhone users will give that up.

Go after the banks. That's the key.

Everybody make a run on the banks. Default on your credit cards and your loans. Just do what Ecuador did and say "FUCK YOU" to the banks.


I definitely like that idea... I can tell you this, though. I happen to bank with a bank that has no fees. I've banked with them for 10 years and had no problems. I've saved thousands of dollars. I tell people about it and they look at me like I've just offered them magic beans. They tell me I should work for that bank. They are delighted, I tell you, delighted!

However, I not ONE person I know has moved their business to that bank.

perhaps it'd be easier to target a telecom.
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Postby stefano » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:43 pm

WakeUpAndLive wrote:the website http://www.goodguide.com in determining which products I wish to purchase.
Thanks. It's not purely a negative: if you aren't buying from the corporation, who are you buying from? Thinking of it in terms of supporting the little guys feels a bit more positive. Farmers' markets, co-ops, independent bookshops, the corner shop instead of the supermarket for cigs (or stop smoking), the little vineyard instead of the Diageo subsidiary for wine, the artisan brewer instead of SABMiller. The new place that just opened up with a nice vibe - go have lunch there. I've paid more attention to eating well lately and it inevitably makes a difference to where I spend.
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:09 pm

Any NYC Riggies want to join me in Union Square this Fri, 4/15/11?

This Is What Resistance Looks Like
By Chris Hedges
Posted on Apr 3, 2011

The phrase consent of the governed has been turned into a cruel joke. There is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs. Civil disobedience is the only tool we have left.

We will not halt the laying off of teachers and other public employees, the slashing of unemployment benefits, the closing of public libraries, the reduction of student loans, the foreclosures, the gutting of public education and early childhood programs or the dismantling of basic social services such as heating assistance for the elderly until we start to carry out sustained acts of civil disobedience against the financial institutions responsible for our debacle. The banks and Wall Street, which have erected the corporate state to serve their interests at our expense, caused the financial crisis. The bankers and their lobbyists crafted tax havens that account for up to $1 trillion in tax revenue lost every decade. They rewrote tax laws so the nation’s most profitable corporations, including Bank of America, could avoid paying any federal taxes. They engaged in massive fraud and deception that wiped out an estimated $40 trillion in global wealth.

The banks are the ones that should be made to pay for the financial collapse. Not us. And for this reason at 11 a.m. April 15 I will join protesters in Union Square in New York City in front of the Bank of America.

“The political process no longer works,” Kevin Zeese, the director of Prosperity Agenda and one of the organizers of the April 15 event, told me. “The economy is controlled by a handful of economic elites. The necessities of most Americans are no longer being met. The only way to change this is to shift the power to a culture of resistance. This will be the first in a series of events we will organize to help give people control of their economic and political life.”

If you are among the one in six workers in this country who does not have a job, if you are among the some 6 million people who have lost their homes to repossessions, if you are among the many hundreds of thousands of people who went bankrupt last year because they could not pay their medical bills or if you have simply had enough of the current kleptocracy, join us in Union Square Park for the “Sounds of Resistance Concert,” which will feature political hip-hop/rock powerhouse Junkyard Empire with Broadcast Live and Sketch the Cataclysm. The organizers have set up a website, and there’s more information on their Facebook page.

We will picket the Union Square branch of Bank of America, one of the major financial institutions responsible for the theft of roughly $17 trillion in wages, savings and retirement benefits taken from ordinary citizens. We will build a miniature cardboard community that will include what we should have—good public libraries, free health clinics, banks that have been converted into credit unions, free and well-funded public schools and public universities, and shuttered recruiting centers (young men and women should not have to go to Iraq and Afghanistan as soldiers or Marines to find a job with health care). We will call for an end to all foreclosures and bank repossessions, a breaking up of the huge banking monopolies, a fair system of taxation and a government that is accountable to the people.


The 10 major banks, which control 60 percent of the economy, determine how our legislative bills are written, how our courts rule, how we frame our public debates on the airwaves, who is elected to office and how we are governed. The phrase consent of the governed has been turned by our two major political parties into a cruel joke. There is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs. And the faster these banks and huge corporations are broken up and regulated, the sooner we will become free.

Bank of America is one of the worst. It did not pay any federal taxes last year or the year before. It is currently one of the most aggressive banks in seizing homes, at times using private security teams that carry out brutal home invasions to toss families into the street. The bank refuses to lend small business people and consumers the billions in government money it was handed. It has returned with a vengeance to the flagrant criminal activity and speculation that created the meltdown, behavior made possible because the government refuses to institute effective sanctions or control from regulators, legislators or the courts. Bank of America, like most of the banks that peddled garbage to small shareholders, routinely hid its massive losses through a creative accounting device it called “repurchase agreements.” It used these “repos” during the financial collapse to temporarily erase losses from the books by transferring toxic debt to dummy firms before public filings had to be made. It is called fraud. And Bank of America is very good at it.

US Uncut, which will be involved in the April 15 demonstration in New York, carried out 50 protests outside Bank of America branches and offices on Feb. 26. UK Uncut, a British version of the group, produced this video guide to launching a “bail-in” in your neighborhood.

Civil disobedience, such as that described in the bail-in video or the upcoming protest in Union Square, is the only tool we have left. A fourth of the country’s largest corporations—including General Electric, ExxonMobil and Bank of America—paid no federal income taxes in 2010. But at the same time these corporations operate as if they have a divine right to hundreds of billions in taxpayer subsidies. Bank of America was handed $45 billion—that is billion with a B—in federal bailout funds. Bank of America takes this money—money you and I paid in taxes—and hides it along with its profits in some 115 offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes. One assumes the bank’s legions of accountants are busy making sure the corporation will not pay federal taxes again this year. Imagine if you or I tried that.

“If Bank of America paid their fair share of taxes, planned cuts of $1.7 billion in early childhood education, including Head Start & Title 1, would not be needed,” Zeese pointed out. “Bank of America avoids paying taxes by using subsidiaries in offshore tax havens. To eliminate their taxes, they reinvest proceeds overseas, instead of bringing the dollars home, thereby undermining the U.S. economy and avoiding federal taxes. Big Finance, like Bank of America, contributes to record deficits that are resulting in massive cuts to basic services in federal and state governments.”

The big banks and corporations are parasites. They greedily devour the entrails of the nation in a quest for profit, thrusting us all into serfdom and polluting and poisoning the ecosystem that sustains the human species. They have gobbled up more than a trillion dollars from the Department of Treasury and the Federal Reserve and created tiny enclaves of wealth and privilege where corporate managers replicate the decadence of the Forbidden City and Versailles. Those outside the gates, however, struggle to find work and watch helplessly as food and commodity prices rocket upward. The owners of one out of seven houses are now behind on their mortgage payments. In 2010 there were 3.8 million foreclosure filings and bank repossessions topped 2.8 million, a 2 percent increase over 2009 and a 23 percent increase over 2008. This record looks set to be broken in 2011. And no one in the Congress, the Obama White House, the courts or the press, all beholden to corporate money, will step in to stop or denounce the assault on families. Our ruling elite, including Barack Obama, are courtiers, shameless hedonists of power, who kneel before Wall Street and daily sell us out. The top corporate plutocrats are pulling down $900,000 an hour while one in four children depends on food stamps to eat.

We don’t need leaders. We don’t need directives from above. We don’t need formal organizations. We don’t need to waste our time appealing to the Democratic Party or writing letters to the editor. We don’t need more diatribes on the Internet. We need to physically get into the public square and create a mass movement. We need you and a few of your neighbors to begin it. We need you to walk down to your Bank of America branch and protest. We need you to come to Union Square. And once you do that you begin to create a force these elites always desperately try to snuff out—resistance.
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:13 pm

“I’ve Been to the Mountaintop” by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered this speech in support of the striking sanitation workers at Mason Temple in Memphis, TN on April 3, 1968 — the day before he was assassinated.

excerpt:
MLK wrote:...

Now the other thing we'll have to do is this: Always anchor our external direct action with the power of economic withdrawal. Now, we are poor people, individually, we are poor when you compare us with white society in America. We are poor. Never stop and forget that collectively, that means all of us together, collectively we are richer than all the nations in the world, with the exception of nine. Did you ever think about that? After you leave the United States, Soviet Russia, Great Britain, West Germany, France, and I could name the others, the Negro collectively is richer than most nations of the world. We have an annual income of more than thirty billion dollars a year, which is more than all of the exports of the United States, and more than the national budget of Canada. Did you know that? That's power right there, if we know how to pool it.

We don't have to argue with anybody. We don't have to curse and go around acting bad with our words. We don't need any bricks and bottles, we don't need any Molotov cocktails, we just need to go around to these stores, and to these massive industries in our country, and say, "God sent us by here, to say to you that you're not treating his children right. And we've come by here to ask you to make the first item on your agenda fair treatment, where God's children are concerned. Now, if you are not prepared to do that, we do have an agenda that we must follow. And our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you."

And so, as a result of this, we are asking you tonight, to go out and tell your neighbors not to buy Coca-Cola in Memphis. Go by and tell them not to buy Sealtest milk. Tell them not to buy—what is the other bread?—Wonder Bread. And what is the other bread company, Jesse? Tell them not to buy Hart's bread. As Jesse Jackson has said, up to now, only the garbage men have been feeling pain; now we must kind of redistribute the pain. We are choosing these companies because they haven't been fair in their hiring policies; and we are choosing them because they can begin the process of saying, they are going to support the needs and the rights of these men who are on strike. And then they can move on downtown and tell Mayor Loeb to do what is right.

But not only that, we've got to strengthen black institutions. I call upon you to take your money out of the banks downtown and deposit your money in Tri-State Bank—we want a "bank-in" movement in Memphis. So go by the savings and loan association. I'm not asking you something we don't do ourselves at SCLC. Judge Hooks and others will tell you that we have an account here in the savings and loan association from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. We're just telling you to follow what we're doing. Put your money there. You have six or seven black insurance companies in Memphis. Take out your insurance there. We want to have an "insurance-in."

Now these are some practical things we can do. We begin the process of building a greater economic base. And at the same time, we are putting pressure where it really hurts. I ask you to follow through here.

Now, let me say as I move to my conclusion that we've got to give ourselves to this struggle until the end. Nothing would be more tragic than to stop at this point, in Memphis. We've got to see it through. And when we have our march, you need to be there. Be concerned about your brother. You may not be on strike. But either we go up together, or we go down together.

Let us develop a kind of dangerous unselfishness.

...



Canadian_watcher wrote:I also think that once the people get one victory under their belts convincing them to pull off another would be like convincing a fat kid to eat another piece of cake.


I suspect that is right. Even a small victory. I mean it's probably not realistic to expect that millions of people that are currently buying coke will stop buying coke. Even of they did, how is everybody else that is still consuming coke supposed to know about it? I mean without organizing a million people to descend on Coca Cola headquarters how are you going to get any coverage? And even if a product boycott was successful, in that it appeared to actually effect the way the targeted corporation conducts business, how do you follow up and make sure that any changes/alterations were not just cosmetic?

I so rarely agree with Nordic on anything, but I agree that the banks are the best target. And I'm also thinking that it is best to work at a more local level. 1) because it's just easier to organize and implement and 2) because the effect is more pronounced on a smaller institution.

For instance the executives of M&I bank in the upper midwest have been put on notice:
http://afl.salsalabs.com/o/4038/c/988/p ... n_KEY=1697
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:12 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:I so rarely agree with Nordic on anything,


That made me actually laugh out loud. I had no idea. Except in that misogyny thread.

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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:31 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:
I suspect that is right. Even a small victory. I mean it's probably not realistic to expect that millions of people that are currently buying coke will stop buying coke. Even of they did, how is everybody else that is still consuming coke supposed to know about it? I mean without organizing a million people to descend on Coca Cola headquarters how are you going to get any coverage? And even if a product boycott was successful, in that it appeared to actually effect the way the targeted corporation conducts business, how do you follow up and make sure that any changes/alterations were not just cosmetic?


those are the questions.
and I'm not overly fond of Coke being a target.. but to follow Keiser's thinking he seems to believe that it's the stock price you have to go after.. not really for any reason other than proving you can do it. Bring the stock price down because that's the only thing anyone cares about anymore. I seriously think that some CEOs would physically pull the trigger on a line-up of employees if they could justify it to the shareholders and that the shareholders would have to think long and hard before being outraged. (they probably wouldn't be, after all that's just the way we do things now, right?)

but there doesn't have to be a point beyond letting them know we can do it. That *is* the point, at least for me. It'd prove that there is a network in place and the motivation, too. We could say "This is what's going to happen to any one of you mofos who crosses our lines!!" and then you list off the offenses. Or you don't. you let them twist.

anyway that's my fantasy version of how it would go down. CEOs everywhere, thinking really really hard before denying the formation of unions or dumping toxic waste into rivers...

we need a counterbalance to the old 'whatever is good for the shareholders' defense.
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:52 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:those are the questions.
and I'm not overly fond of Coke being a target.. but to follow Keiser's thinking he seems to believe that it's the stock price you have to go after.. not really for any reason other than proving you can do it. Bring the stock price down because that's the only thing anyone cares about anymore. I seriously think that some CEOs would physically pull the trigger on a line-up of employees if they could justify it to the shareholders and that the shareholders would have to think long and hard before being outraged. (they probably wouldn't be, after all that's just the way we do things now, right?)

but there doesn't have to be a point beyond letting them know we can do it. That *is* the point, at least for me. It'd prove that there is a network in place and the motivation, too. We could say "This is what's going to happen to any one of you mofos who crosses our lines!!" and then you list off the offenses. Or you don't. you let them twist.

anyway that's my fantasy version of how it would go down. CEOs everywhere, thinking really really hard before denying the formation of unions or dumping toxic waste into rivers...

we need a counterbalance to the old 'whatever is good for the shareholders' defense.


Just thinking out loud more than anything...what is preventing us from starting our own exchange (of non-material value) that benefits doctors, farmers, volunteers, teachers and other value adding positions? Just as they have a system that perpetuates the false value of paper currency we need to have a system that perpetuates the growth of value positions like those stated above. Not an entitlement system, but a system that recognizes these people for their value added to the community and are taken care of for such. It would really have to start at a grassroots location....maybe some organic co-op or something of the sorts.

The CEOs wouldn't be so well accepted in their community or other communities networked together. I could honestly see a grassroots movement like this growing large if done properly.

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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:18 am

@CW

I think you're right that it is an end in and of itself just to set an example. I want everyone to know about the cake and how wonderful it is and how they should come and get some too. Mmm.... cake.

I am a member of a workers coop and a consumer coop. We immediately threw our support behind the public workers of wisconsin and the local coops of all stripes have all banded together to oppose Walker.

mlk wrote:Be concerned about your brother. You may not be on strike. But either we go up together, or we go down together.


We've also looked more closely at our vendors and whether they supported Walker's campaign last year. The boycott efforts have been somewhat chaotic and diffuse. There have no doubt been effects, but what they are I don't think anyone really knows.

This site has a list of businesses and pacs which supported Walker in 2010.
http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?page_id=979
That list does not differentiate between companies for which the ownership and management made the lions share of contributions and not.

This site uses a different criteria.
http://www.boycottwalker.com/BoycottNow.htm
On this page, care has been taken to only list the businesses whose owners, founders, or top executives contributed in a big way to Walker.


This list is an evolving database of businesses that support public worker unions and therefore oppose Walker.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key ... U0E&hl=en#


It seems to me that there are lots of reasons why conscientous people should choose to boycott certain companies. Is there a way to prioritize which companies to boycott? I say yes. If not the banks (my first choice) then the companies that support their puppet proxies in government. The shareholders/owners won't give a shit about supporting Walker and his ilk if their wealth is threatened by a serious, well organized and effective boycott. That seems like a more potent action if it can result in more progressive government that can actually function to regulate corporations rather than conspire with them against the interests of the populace.

How do we recognize victory though? I think it was Nietzsche that said, "Happiness is the feeling that resistance is overcome". People need to see results. It's sort of like when your trying to lose weight and you get on the scale and you've lost a few pounds and that inspires you to continue.

And what if the oligarchy eventually responds like the architect in The Matrix Reloaded with something like, "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept".

And what about the workers that are hurt by a boycott?
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:01 am

brainpanhandler wrote:@CW
It seems to me that there are lots of reasons why conscientous people should choose to boycott certain companies. Is there a way to prioritize which companies to boycott? I say yes. If not the banks (my first choice) then the companies that support their puppet proxies in government. The shareholders/owners won't give a shit about supporting Walker and his ilk if their wealth is threatened by a serious, well organized and effective boycott. That seems like a more potent action if it can result in more progressive government that can actually function to regulate corporations rather than conspire with them against the interests of the populace.

How do we recognize victory though? I think it was Nietzsche that said, "Happiness is the feeling that resistance is overcome". People need to see results. It's sort of like when your trying to lose weight and you get on the scale and you've lost a few pounds and that inspires you to continue.



cool, bph - thank you for the links. I'm going to look at them and then see if I can find anything similar going on in Canada. And I'd like to try and get something like that going on a local level, too. There are one or two targets where I live (though these aren't publicly traded companies they are immoral and opportunistic and heartless anyway) and it'd be interesting to see if there were some way to boycott those.

I think we recognize victory by the reaction of the target, first, by the media, second and by the folks we are in solidarity with, third. Hopefully the real victory will be evident when the next boycott is planned and the numbers participating become overwhelming.


And what if the oligarchy eventually responds like the architect in The Matrix Reloaded with something like, "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept".

And what about the workers that are hurt by a boycott?


I don't care about the first, really. I see it as inevitable so I'm prepared to deal with it. As to the second, that's more complex. It sort of goes right to "can good triumph over evil?" Evil will do whatever it takes, but good has rules. Seems like a skewed playing field. But.. within good there are things that evil won't do: good makes sacrifices for other people and if workers were hurt we could pull together to get them through it. It wouldn't be easy, and it would require that everyone adjust their standard of living downward for a time.

It's pie in the sky, I know. But aren't all revolutions viewed that way? My mother used to chastise me for being idealistic and I didn't really realize how underhanded and awful this was until I caught myself parroting her to my own daughter. I apologized and told her to go for her dreams. I hope I undid the damage that it took me thirty years to outgrow.
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:01 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:It sort of goes right to "can good triumph over evil?" Evil will do whatever it takes, but good has rules. Seems like a skewed playing field. But.. within good there are things that evil won't do: good makes sacrifices for other people and if workers were hurt we could pull together to get them through it. It wouldn't be easy, and it would require that everyone adjust their standard of living downward for a time.


Yes, absolutely.

And thanks for those links, BPH. I'm going to have a look at them as soon as I have enough time to give them my proper attention.
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Re: Corporate Boycotts: Brainstorming thread

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:16 pm

* BUMP *
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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:31 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:It occurred to me recently that we (the U.S., at minimum) need a centralized web space to organize bipartisan corporate boycotts, concentrating on bridging the gap between people who identify themselves as Republicans AND Democrats in order to focus pressure on the forces that control both of those parties, and thus, screw ALL OF US.

The message would be that unless you're a banker, a CEO/COO/CFO, or sit on a corporate board, we're all in this together, and we need to get back to empowering the ordinary people who do the bulk of the working, buying, living and dying.

Since this is the place where the magic happens, let's put our thinking caps on and figure out a way to make this happen.

Ok, go...


Thanks for the bump, BPH.

When I started this thread, I was under the impression that I'd have more spare time to really push for this to happen.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to sustain any forward momentum, as my job suddenly became much more complicated.

Fortunately, the OWS people do have the time, and more importantly, the ingenuity and stick-to-it-ness to do something that is actually pretty close to what I was proposing, but more impressive in scope.

I still think that corporate boycotts need to be part of any strategy to bring about change. It seems to be in the back of the minds of the OWS people as well. Maybe I need to be more vocal about it at the next General Assembly I attend.
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Postby norton ash » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:37 pm

Timely bump. Second-quarter strategy for OWS.

And for historical relevance, as this is really OWS early days, eh Bruce?

Any NYC Riggies want to join me in Union Square this Fri, 4/15/11?
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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:51 pm

Bruce wrote:I still think that corporate boycotts need to be part of any strategy to bring about change. It seems to be in the back of the minds of the OWS people as well. Maybe I need to be more vocal about it at the next General Assembly I attend.


All it would take is one shining example, one victory. Once people recognize their power the jig is up. You can't teargas, beat and arrest people for refusing to buy something.

MLK wrote:our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you."

And so, as a result of this, we are asking you tonight, to go out and tell your neighbors not to buy Coca-Cola in Memphis. Go by and tell them not to buy Sealtest milk. Tell them not to buy—what is the other bread?—Wonder Bread. And what is the other bread company, Jesse? Tell them not to buy Hart's bread. As Jesse Jackson has said, up to now, only the garbage men have been feeling pain; now we must kind of redistribute the pain. We are choosing these companies because they haven't been fair in their hiring policies; and we are choosing them because they can begin the process of saying, they are going to support the needs and the rights of these men who are on strike. And then they can move on downtown and tell Mayor Loeb to do what is right.

But not only that, we've got to strengthen black institutions. I call upon you to take your money out of the banks downtown and deposit your money in Tri-State Bank—we want a "bank-in" movement in Memphis. So go by the savings and loan association. I'm not asking you something we don't do ourselves at SCLC. Judge Hooks and others will tell you that we have an account here in the savings and loan association from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. We're just telling you to follow what we're doing. Put your money there. You have six or seven black insurance companies in Memphis. Take out your insurance there. We want to have an "insurance-in."

Now these are some practical things we can do. We begin the process of building a greater economic base. And at the same time, we are putting pressure where it really hurts. I ask you to follow through here.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:33 am

I'm currenlty boycotting coca cola and Maple Leaf (including Dempsters). Oh and Wall Mart, but that's been on for 10+ years for me.

Boycotts ARE the solution, not that I think I am impacting their bottom line all by myself. I'm trying to get people on board but people are so apathetic its pathetic. I mean. boycott Maple Leaf ground meat byproducts. How hard is that? You'd think I asked them to boycott heat.
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