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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:28 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:http://www.leo.gov/


fruh, i kinda wish you'd given a warning about that link and maybe said what it was and perhaps quoted some of that language. since i clicked on that link, my computer has completely freaked out and i've also lost my internet three times.

i'm running a disk utility right now and doing this on my smart phone.
the site warns you that by being on that site you are now connected to the entire law enforcement network of computers. it's like "gotcha". the tone is a real "fuck you". i'd quote it but i ain't going back there again.

anyway fruh, you have a habit of just posting links here rather willy nilly without any commentary or any heads-up as to what they are. to me that's a sign of both laziness and disrespect to the rest of us. if you could put even a little bit more work into your posts, out of respect to us, i would appreciate it as would others i'm sure.

i never click on links like that. i never clicked on any wikileaks stuff, or any anonymous stuff either for that reason. i think many of those sites are traps, and my immediate experience with that link you posted there only reinforces that notion. god only knows what networks i'm now linked to.
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:48 pm

This, Nordic?:
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:57 pm

thanks s.m. that is indeed what i remember reading.

then my computer and my internet connection went all kaflooey.
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:24 pm

It's occurred to me that part of the purpose of the TSA gropings are to further demoralize the public by a blatant and severe invasion and trampling of their personal boundaries. In public. After just watching a couple of them happen on YouTube, let alone having one happen to them, I think that people will have been moved one giant step closer to giving up and accepting that the State has complete control of them...even of their bodies and their children's bodies.

I'm putting this comment in this thread rather than in the other TSA threads because I see a deeper , cumulative motive behind them--one of sexually traumatizing individuals in order to control them over-all. The simple fact that so few people have filed lawsuits after being publicly sexually assaulted tells me that it's probably too late for most of us. We're now inured to invasions even of our most private areas of our bodies by the Security State and most of the people I know simply accept that. These are intelligent liberals who I cannot imagine EVER accepting this kind of boundary invasion before this particular point in time.

The lessons learned in the 50's-70's in the mind control programs are being applied to the population at large in increasingly large and blatant doses. And we're more passive and weak than ever as a direct result, as the sociopathic perps behind the Police State have grown more daring and active. I want to believe that since I managed to awaken from my own enslavement, surely an educated populace will awaken and demand changes before we're completely traumatized into a nation of zombies. But the passivity I'm seeing in my husband and friends isn't exactly encouraging...these were people who used to march for peace and social justice and were outraged by brutal police actions...WTF?!

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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:32 pm

sunny, it's obama. he's the one groping us so it's ok. no more creepy old white guys, now we've got joe cool rubbing our crotches, that big friendly smile on his face. how could anyone hate that face?
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:28 pm

Nordic wrote:thanks s.m. that is indeed what i remember reading.

then my computer and my internet connection went all kaflooey.


I forget if you're one of the Linux contingent or not, but if you are there's a browser called Lynx which doesn't do javascript or flash or pictures or anything else likely to breach security, even demands verification of every single cookie accepted. Text-mode browsers are cool. Useful to use if you're looking at iffy sites.
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby hanshan » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:52 am

Nordic wrote:
fruhmenschen wrote:http://www.leo.gov/


fruh, i kinda wish you'd given a warning about that link and maybe said what it was and perhaps quoted some of that language. since i clicked on that link, my computer has completely freaked out and i've also lost my internet three times.

i'm running a disk utility right now and doing this on my smart phone.
the site warns you that by being on that site you are now connected to the entire law enforcement network of computers. it's like "gotcha". the tone is a real "fuck you". i'd quote it but i ain't going back there again.

anyway fruh, you have a habit of just posting links here rather willy nilly without any commentary or any heads-up as to what they are. to me that's a sign of both laziness and disrespect to the rest of us. if you could put even a little bit more work into your posts, out of respect to us, i would appreciate it as would others i'm sure.

i never click on links like that. i never clicked on any wikileaks stuff, or any anonymous stuff either for that reason. i think many of those sites are traps, and my immediate experience with that link you posted there only reinforces that notion. god only knows what networks i'm now linked to.



ok, tx Nordic , for the heads up. It's unlikely would have followed the fruh anywheres, but certainly not to url linked heavily w/ spyware, keylogging, malware,bot infested, govt. drones.

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LilyPatToo wrote:It's occurred to me that part of the purpose of the TSA gropings are to further demoralize the public by a blatant and severe invasion and trampling of their personal boundaries. In public. After just watching a couple of them happen on YouTube, let alone having one happen to them, I think that people will have been moved one giant step closer to giving up and accepting that the State has complete control of them...even of their bodies and their children's bodies.

I'm putting this comment in this thread rather than in the other TSA threads because I see a deeper , cumulative motive behind them--one of sexually traumatizing individuals in order to control them over-all. The simple fact that so few people have filed lawsuits after being publicly sexually assaulted tells me that it's probably too late for most of us. We're now inured to invasions even of our most private areas of our bodies by the Security State and most of the people I know simply accept that. These are intelligent liberals who I cannot imagine EVER accepting this kind of boundary invasion before this particular point in time.

The lessons learned in the 50's-70's in the mind control programs are being applied to the population at large in increasingly large and blatant doses. And we're more passive and weak than ever as a direct result, as the sociopathic perps behind the Police State have grown more daring and active. I want to believe that since I managed to awaken from my own enslavement, surely an educated populace will awaken and demand changes before we're completely traumatized into a nation of zombies. But the passivity I'm seeing in my husband and friends isn't exactly encouraging...these were people who used to march for peace and social justice and were outraged by brutal police actions...WTF?!

LilyPat
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& tx, also, Lilypat, for so eloquently nailing it to the door. Right on the mark.



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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:37 am

Good news! Canada is no longer measuring the penises, possibly penes, or penii, of twelve year olds. Good old Canada.

"I doubt there's a judge in B.C. who has any idea that adolescents being referred to this service are being shown pornographic material while having a device attached to their penis," Turpel-Lafond said. -- from here

". . . the Orwellian procedure at issue to be always a violation of the personal dignity of which prisoners are not deprived. The procedure violates a prisoner's bodily integrity by affecting his genitals. The procedure violates a prisoner's mental integrity by intruding images into his brain. The procedure violates a prisoner's moral integrity by requiring him to masturbate. By committing a crime and being convicted of it, a person does not cease to be a person. A prisoner is not a mere tool of the state to be manipulated by it to achieve the purposes the law has determined appropriate in punishment. The prisoner retains his humanity and therefore has purposes transcending those of the state. A prisoner, for example, cannot be forced into prostitution to aid the state in securing evidence. A prisoner, for example, cannot be made to perjure himself in order to assist a prosecution. Similarly, a prisoner should not be compelled to stimulate himself sexually in order for the government to get a sense of his current proclivities. There is a line at which the government must stop. Penile plethysmography testing crosses it" - a Judge John Noonan
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Nordic » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:58 pm

"Junk science". I couldn't help but LOL at that one.

That's some sick shit. I had no idea anyone actually did anything like that, especially in (seemingly) gentle, nice Canada!
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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:37 pm

"Arrogance is experiential and environmental in cause. Human experience can make and unmake arrogance. Ours is about to get unmade."

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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:35 am

The police department in the city of East Orange, New Jersey is installing red spotlights to remotely shine on those police believe are about to commit a crime.


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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:12 pm

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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby hanshan » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:29 pm

...

Bruce Dazzling wrote:


different page, different reality... eh, just a clerical error, no doubt


http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33939&p=444706#p444706

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http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33939&p=444667#p444667

January 23, 2012
Justices Say GPS Tracker Violated Privacy Rights
By ADAM LIPTAK

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled unanimously that the police violated the Constitution when they placed a Global Positioning System tracking device on a suspect’s car and monitored its movements for 28 days.

A set of overlapping opinions in the case collectively suggested that a majority of the justices are prepared to apply broad privacy principles to bring the Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable searches into the digital age, when law enforcement officials can gather extensive information without ever entering an individual’s home or vehicle.

Walter Dellinger, a lawyer for the defendant in the case and a former acting United States solicitor general, said the decision was “a signal event in Fourth Amendment history.”

“Law enforcement is now on notice,” Mr. Dellinger said, “that almost any use of GPS electronic surveillance of a citizen’s movement will be legally questionable unless a warrant is obtained in advance.”

An overlapping array of justices were divided on the rationale for the decision, with the majority saying the problem was the placement of the device on private property.

But five justices also discussed their discomfort with the government’s use of or access to various modern technologies, including video surveillance in public places, automatic toll collection systems on highways, devices that allow motorists to signal for roadside assistance, location data from cellphone towers and records kept by online merchants.

The case concerned Antoine Jones, who was the owner of a Washington nightclub when the police came to suspect him of being part of a cocaine-selling operation. They placed a tracking device on his Jeep Grand Cherokee without a valid warrant, tracked his movements for a month and used the evidence they gathered to convict him of conspiring to sell cocaine. He was sentenced to life in prison.

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit overturned his conviction, saying the sheer amount of information that had been collected violated the Fourth Amendment, which bars unreasonable searches. “Repeated visits to a church, a gym, a bar or a bookie tell a story not told by any single visit, as does one’s not visiting any of those places in the course of a month,” Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg wrote for the appeals court panel.

The Supreme Court affirmed that decision, but on a different ground. “We hold that the government’s installation of a GPS device on a target’s vehicle, and its use of that device to monitor the vehicle’s movements, constitutes a ‘search,’ ” Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the majority. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Sonia Sotomayor joined the majority opinion.

“It is important to be clear about what occurred in this case,” Justice Scalia went on. “The government physically occupied private property for the purpose of obtaining information. We have no doubt that such a physical intrusion would have been considered a ‘search’ within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment when it was adopted.”

When the case was argued in November, a lawyer for the federal government said the number of times the federal authorities used GPS devices to track suspects was “in the low thousands annually.”

Vernon Herron, a former Maryland state trooper now on the staff of the University of Maryland’s Center for Health and Homeland Security, said state and local law enforcement officials used GPS and similar devices “all the time,” adding that “this type of technology is very useful for narcotics and terrorism investigations.”

Monday’s decision thus places a significant burden on widely used law enforcement surveillance techniques, though the authorities remain free to seek warrants from judges authorizing the surveillance.

In a concurrence for four justices, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. faulted the majority for trying to apply 18th-century legal concepts to 21st-century technologies. What should matter, he said, is the contemporary reasonable expectation of privacy.

“The use of longer-term GPS monitoring in investigations of most offenses,” Justice Alito wrote, “impinges on expectations of privacy.” Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the concurrence.

“We need not identify with precision the point at which the tracking of this vehicle became a search, for the line was surely crossed before the four-week mark,” Justice Alito wrote. “Other cases may present more difficult questions.”

Justice Scalia said the majority did not mean to suggest that its property-rights theory of the Fourth Amendment displaced the one focused on expectations of privacy.

“It may be that achieving the same result through electronic means, without an accompanying trespass, is an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, but the present case does not require us to answer that question,” he wrote.

Justice Sotomayor joined the majority opinion, agreeing that many questions could be left for another day “because the government’s physical intrusion on Jones’s Jeep supplies a narrower basis for decision.”

But she left little doubt that she would have joined Justice Alito’s analysis had the issue he addressed been the exclusive one presented in the case.

“Physical intrusion is now unnecessary to many forms of surveillance,” Justice Sotomayor wrote.

She added that “it may be necessary to reconsider the premise that an individual has no reasonable expectation of privacy in information voluntarily disclosed to third parties.”

“People disclose the phone numbers that they dial or text to their cellular providers; the URLs that they visit and the e-mail addresses with which they correspond to their Internet service providers; and the books, groceries and medications they purchase to online retailers,” she wrote. “I, for one, doubt that people would accept without complaint the warrantless disclosure to the government of a list of every Web site they had visited in the last week, or month, or year.”

Justice Alito listed other “new devices that permit the monitoring of a person’s movements” that fit uneasily with traditional Fourth Amendment privacy analysis.

“In some locales,” he wrote, “closed-circuit television video monitoring is becoming ubiquitous. On toll roads, automatic toll collection systems create a precise record of the movements of motorists who choose to make use of that convenience. Many motorists purchase cars that are equipped with devices that permit a central station to ascertain the car’s location at any time so that roadside assistance may be provided if needed and the car may be found if it is stolen.”

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This is something I hadn't expected from our sitting Justices and has profound implications for our right to privacy. The majority opinion, though not for the best of reasons, has seen fit to help keep our private life private.


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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Simulist » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:51 pm

The city of Henderson, Nev. has approved a settlement of $158,500 after police beat and kicked a man in diabetic shock after stopping him for what they thought was drunken driving. Video shows five officers subduing Adam Greene as a sixth kicks him hard enough to break several ribs. Then they figure out he's ill. Who is it they work for again?
“Stop resisting motherfucker! Stop resisting motherfucker!” - [shouted] one of the guys hired to serve and protect, as Greene lay on the ground semi-conscious.


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Re: America's Creeping Police State

Postby Inkwhyring » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:48 am

For all of our supposed freedom,doesn't it seem like there are more and more things you can't do,every day-because they are 'bad',frowned upon,not socially acceptable,unhealthy,or illegal!The ignorant,unwary public doesn't seem to know or care,that indeed,a police state is creeping up on us!A small example:a few years back,here in my hometown of Eugene,OR-to keep young people from dragging the strip,they came up with an ordinance/law that made it illegal to pass the same point more than twice in an hour!And what about 'eminent domain'/You can't buy the good allergy pills here,the ones that contain pseudo-ephedrine,and this is the grass seed capital of the world!The local native Americans called it 'the valley of sickness'.And the Department of Homeland Security now considers drugs 'terrorism'.By the way,I'm betting that their new headquarters(which is reputed to be 4 stories underground)contains huge banks of computers that monitor our communications via internet and cell phones,for words that are 'red-flags',and then...I have heard some pretty outlandish but true stories of various surveillance methods,like,a very low-flying ultralight that watched a friend of mine,not long after he recieved a letter in the mail(on a Sunday!?!)that simply stated 'clean up your act',also long-range photos taken how,in the middle of the sticks,nothing around for miles...satellite?
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