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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:00 pm

Oh yeah, the reconstruction money.


Iraqis are demanding to know what happened to $17 billion in Iraqi money that was part of a U.S.-administered fund for rebuilding the country after years of war and sanctions that now cannot be accounted for properly.


But U.S. officials trying to trace the funds say the Iraqi government is not cooperating and has so far not allowed them access to bank records they need to determine if any of the money was misused.

The use of reconstruction money has been a constant sore point for Iraqis, who despite the billions spent here still suffer from electricity outages, hospitals without the proper equipment and a lack of schools.


Lovely.

We gave 20 billion to Pakistan, 60 billion to Saudi Arabia in oil/defense/etc. Lots of money to the UAE...basically all the Eastern globalists who finance the very terror networks America claims to fight.
We got the army guarding poppy crop in America, the top drug lords on the CIA payroll, and most the money going to Afghan officials being used on luxurious homes in Dubai. Meanwhile, Haliburton and Dyncorp make off like bandits(and Dyncorp of course keeping up their child sex schtick)

America got 6600 US soldiers killed, God knows how many civilians wounded and killed...trillions wasted...yet, we cant even say the people's lives are better in the way of infrastructure/life/housing/reconstruction. (Talking about both Iraq and Afghanistan)



Again, as far as linking to an AJ rant now and then, it's usually in regards to terrorism like the whole Anwar al-Awalaki scam. The left, no matter how "alternative" NEVER puts two and two together and talks about terrorism. I love Scahill, etc...but I mean even Greenwald doesnt really "go there"(aside from skepticism of the official anthrax case)
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:25 pm

All of the "world wars" never existed or happened. They were not what our progenitors were led to believe and not what we were taught. It was all simple extreme violence waged upon unsuspecting folk who did not know any better with the media of their day in interest of corporate interests by using various scapegoats. Many, many, many liberal and anti-war newspapers came out in this era only to be shut down by hook and crook -- some with violence but most through vilification. The Seattle region alone had easily twenty newspapers in the era following the turn of the century, then through what we call "WWI" and "WWII" -- at that time all direct competitors with "The Seattle Daily Times". They were summarily shut down and I am currently looking into this. However only one now remains, The Seattle Times. I hate Alex Jones, too. But he is right on here and I thank my fellow "8" for sharing it.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:37 pm

8bitagent wrote:Oh yeah, the reconstruction money.


so far not allowed them access to bank records they need to determine if any of the money was misused.


Bank records! Bank records!

You motherfuckers of the USG flew palettes stacked with billions of dollars in CASH straight from the Federal Reserve and dispensed it to who-knows-who in the middle of a war zone as CASH!

And you motherfuckers of the USG (the prime suspects) want bank records!!!

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Re 9/11, Greenwald is an example of someone who based on his writing as a whole has totally "gone there" in his mind, but would pretty much be instantly vaporized as a commentator were he to say so in anything other than a definitive and airtight investigative work establishing the facts of the case. He's too singular, too genuine, too willing to piss anyone off. I'm sure his avoidance of the subject is also how we wants it, i.e. he won't venture there because the respect he has is very much based on his always making an airtight case. But if he did want to go there, AJ's among those who made sure the atmosphere would be far too poisoned for the likes of a Greenwald to dare. Notably he's never done the quasi-required "I hate conspiracy theorists cos they're stupid and mentally ill" piece, and it would be completely out of style for him; he always storms the strongest targets he can find, assuming he can make an airtight case (and if one can be found, he's the man).

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:40 am

JackRiddler wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Oh yeah, the reconstruction money.


so far not allowed them access to bank records they need to determine if any of the money was misused.


Bank records! Bank records!

You motherfuckers of the USG flew palettes stacked with billions of dollars in CASH straight from the Federal Reserve and dispensed it to who-knows-who in the middle of a war zone as CASH!

And you motherfuckers of the USG (the prime suspects) want bank records!!!

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Re 9/11, Greenwald is an example of someone who based on his writing as a whole has totally "gone there" in his mind, but would pretty much be instantly vaporized as a commentator were he to say so in anything other than a definitive and airtight investigative work establishing the facts of the case. He's too singular, too genuine, too willing to piss anyone off. I'm sure his avoidance of the subject is also how we wants it, i.e. he won't venture there because the respect he has is very much based on his always making an airtight case. But if he did want to go there, AJ's among those who made sure the atmosphere would be far too poisoned for the likes of a Greenwald to dare. Notably he's never done the quasi-required "I hate conspiracy theorists cos they're stupid and mentally ill" piece, and it would be completely out of style for him; he always storms the strongest targets he can find, assuming he can make an airtight case (and if one can be found, he's the man).

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I completely agree that "trutherdom" has become a fart in the room since 2006.

However, it's more than just 9/11. Almost every single "busted terror plot" in the last decade has turned out to be FBI informant instigated.
The 7/7 bomber trainer turned out to be working for the CIA and released quietly by the CIA. In the Madrid trial, the 3/11/2004 train explosives appeared to be given by informants working for intelligence, as well as links to the Madrid bomb squad. In 2003, there was a mutiny when the military learned Philippines intelligence had been behind the Marriot explosion made to look like Abu Sayaaf. In Sept 1999, a lot of evidence and whistleblowers came out pointing fingers at FSB involvement in the 9-99 Russian apartment bombings.

Heck, Anwar al-Awlaki, a top operative with the 9/11 hijackers and current al Qaeda boogeyman in Yemen...was invited to and dined at the Pentagon a mere few months after 9/11.
The list is endless...yet rarely has any credible left writer "gone there"...hell, Im surprised counter punch did that whole Israel-9/11 thing.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:12 am

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I'm sure further searching Greenwald's site would reveal other columns about FBI entrapment operations creating the terrorist plots that they then pretend to bust...


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... /11/28/fbi

Sunday, Nov 28, 2010 05:29 ET

The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot
By Glenn Greenwald

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Mohamed Osman Mohamud, in an image released Nov. 27.

(updated below)

The FBI is obviously quite pleased with itself over its arrest of a 19-year-old Somali-American, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, who -- with months of encouragement, support and money from the FBI's own undercover agents -- allegedly attempted to detonate a bomb at a crowded Christmas event in Portland, Oregon. Media accounts are almost uniformly trumpeting this event exactly as the FBI describes it. Loyalists of both parties are doing the same, with Democratic Party commentators proclaiming that this proves how great and effective Democrats are at stopping The Evil Terrorists, while right-wing polemicists point to this arrest as yet more proof that those menacing Muslims sure are violent and dangerous.

What's missing from all of these celebrations is an iota of questioning or skepticism. All of the information about this episode -- all of it -- comes exclusively from an FBI affidavit filed in connection with a Criminal Complaint against Mohamud. As shocking and upsetting as this may be to some, FBI claims are sometimes one-sided, unreliable and even untrue, especially when such claims -- as here -- are uncorroborated and unexamined. That's why we have what we call "trials" before assuming guilt or even before believing that we know what happened: because the government doesn't always tell the complete truth, because they often skew reality, because things often look much different once the accused is permitted to present his own facts and subject the government's claims to scrutiny. The FBI affidavit -- as well as whatever its agents are whispering into the ears of reporters -- contains only those facts the FBI chose to include, but omits the ones it chose to exclude. And even the "facts" that are included are merely assertions at this point and thus may not be facts at all.

It may very well be that the FBI successfully and within legal limits arrested a dangerous criminal intent on carrying out a serious Terrorist plot that would have killed many innocent people, in which case they deserve praise. Court-approved surveillance and use of undercover agents to infiltrate terrorist plots are legitimate tactics when used in accordance with the law.

But it may also just as easily be the case that the FBI -- as they've done many times in the past -- found some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner; created a plot it then persuaded/manipulated/entrapped him to join, essentially turning him into a Terrorist; and then patted itself on the back once it arrested him for having thwarted a "Terrorist plot" which, from start to finish, was entirely the FBI's own concoction. Having stopped a plot which it itself manufactured, the FBI then publicly touts -- and an uncritical media amplifies -- its "success" to the world, thus proving both that domestic Terrorism from Muslims is a serious threat and the Government's vast surveillance powers -- current and future new ones -- are necessary.

There are numerous claims here that merit further scrutiny and questioning. First, the FBI was monitoring the email communications of this American citizen on U.S. soil for months (at least) with what appears to be the flimsiest basis: namely, that he was in email communication with someone in Northwest Pakistan, "an area known to harbor terrorists" (para. 5 of the FBI Affidavit). Is that enough to obtain court approval to eavesdrop on someone's calls and emails? I'm glad the FBI is only eavesdropping with court approval, if that's true, but certainly more should be required for judicial authorization than that. Communicating with someone in Northwest Pakistan is hardly reasonable grounds for suspicion.

Second, in order not to be found to have entrapped someone into committing a crime, law enforcement agents want to be able to prove that, in the 1992 words of the Supreme Court, the accused was "was independently predisposed to commit the crime for which he was arrested." To prove that, undercover agents are often careful to stress that the accused has multiple choices, and they then induce him into choosing with his own volition to commit the crime. In this case, that was achieved by the undercover FBI agent's allegedly advising Mohamud that there were at least five ways he could serve the cause of Islam (including by praying, studying engineering, raising funds to send overseas, or becoming "operational"), and Mohamud replied he wanted to "be operational" by using exploding a bomb (para. 35-37).

But strangely, while all other conversations with Mohamud which the FBI summarizes were (according to the affidavit) recorded by numerous recording devices, this conversation -- the crucial one for negating Mohamud's entrapment defense -- was not. That's because, according to the FBI, the undercover agent "was equipped with audio equipment to record the meeting. However, due to technical problems, the meeting was not recorded" (para. 37).

Thus, we have only the FBI's word, and only its version, for what was said during this crucial -- potentially dispositive -- conversation. Also strangely: the original New York Times article on this story described this conversation at some length and reported the fact that "that meeting was not recorded due to a technical difficulty," but the final version omitted that, instead simply repeating the FBI's story as though it were fact: "undercover agents in Mr. Mohamud’s case offered him several nonfatal ways to serve his cause, including mere prayer. But he told the agents he wanted to be 'operational,' and perhaps execute a car bombing."

Third, there are ample facts that call into question whether Mohamud's actions were driven by the FBI's manipulation and pressure rather than his own predisposition to commit a crime. In June, he attempted to fly to Alaska in order to work on a fishing job he obtained through a friend, but he was on the Government's no-fly list. That caused the FBI to question him at the airport and then bar him from flying to Alaska, and thus prevented him from earning income with this job (para. 25). Having prevented him from working, the money the FBI then pumped him with -- including almost $3,000 in cash for him to rent his own apartment (para. 61) -- surely helped make him receptive to their suggestions and influence. And every other step taken to perpetrate this plot -- from planning its placement to assembling the materials to constructing the bomb -- was all done at the FBI's behest and with its indispensable support and direction.

It's impossible to conceive of Mohamud having achieved anything on his own. Before being ensnared by the FBI, the only tangible action he had taken was to write three articles on "fitness and jihad" for the online magazine Jihad Recollections. At least based on what is known, he had no history of violence, no apparent criminal record, had never been to a training camp in Afghanistan, Pakistan or anywhere else, and -- before meeting the FBI -- had never taken a single step toward harming anyone. Does that sound like some menacing sleeper Terrorist to you?

Finally, there is, as usual, no discussion whatsoever in media accounts of motive. There are several statements attributed to Mohamud by the Affidavit that should be repellent to any decent person, including complete apathy -- even delight -- at the prospect that this bomb would kill innocent people, including children. What would drive a 19-year-old American citizen -- living in the U.S. since the age of 3 -- to that level of sociopathic indifference? He explained it himself in several passages quoted by the FBI, and -- if it weren't for the virtual media blackout of this issue -- this line of reasoning would be extremely familiar to Americans by now (para. 45):


Undercover FBI Agent: You know there's gonna be a lot of children there?

Mohamud: Yeah, I know, that's what I'm looking for.

Undercover FBI Agent: For kids?

Mohamud: No, just for, in general a huge mass that will, like for them you know to be attacked in their own element with their families celebrating the holidays. And then for later to be saying, this was them for you to refrain from killing our children, women . . . . so when they hear all these families were killed in such a city, they'll say you know what your actions, you know they will stop, you know. And it's not fair that they should do that to people and not feeling it.


And here's what he allegedly said in a video he made shortly before he thought he would be detonating the bomb (para. 80):

SNIP!

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:02 am

Man, "Mohamed Osman Mohamud"...you can't make this stuff up.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:36 am

DoYouEverWonder wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:
Joe Hillshoist wrote:I thought it was still ww1.


You know the Napoleonic war never really ended.

Actually, this crew has been waging war on the rest of us since William the Conqueror.

I recommend Michael Parenti's The Assassination of Julius Caesar. The Bastard was a tyro.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:55 am

JackRiddler wrote:You motherfuckers of the USG flew palettes stacked with billions of dollars in CASH straight from the Federal Reserve and dispensed it to who-knows-who in the middle of a war zone as CASH!

And you motherfuckers of the USG (the prime suspects) want bank records!!!


Not just "as cash", but in the form of bricks of hundred dollar "bills". No change provided for locals to actually spend the money, the supposed reason for it being there. Everything cost a minimum of $100.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:05 am

8bitagent wrote:Man, "Mohamed Osman Mohamud"...you can't make this stuff up.


You can't.
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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:35 am

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THE SPOILS OF WAR
Billions over Baghdad
Between April 2003 and June 2004, $12 billion in U.S. currency—much of it belonging to the Iraqi people—was shipped from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Some of the cash went to pay for projects and keep ministries afloat, but, incredibly, at least $9 billion has gone missing, unaccounted for, in a frenzy of mismanagement and greed. Following a trail that leads from a safe in one of Saddam's palaces to a house near San Diego, to a P.O. box in the Bahamas, the authors discover just how little anyone cared about how the money was handled.

by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele
October 2007
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... ions200710

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Money for Nothing
OCTOBER 24, 2005 ISSUE
THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/oct/24/00007/


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A packet of one hundred $100 bills is less than 1/2" thick and contains $10,000. Fits in your pocket easily and is more than enough for week or two of shamefully decadent fun.

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While a measly $1 million looked a little unimpressive, $100 million is a little more respectable. It fits neatly on a standard pallet...

http://amakoo.net/What-does-one-trillion-dollars.html

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You’re looking (above) at the most expensive piece of art ever made, the “One Billion Dollar” artwork from artist Michael Marcovici. This work of art is just as the name suggests, 1 billion dollars made with $100 USD notes stacked on 12 standard palettes. The best thing about this piece of art is that, if you own it, you can sell it to yourself by just grabbing the notes. Awesome.

http://thelistcafe.com/10-different-per ... ig-numbers

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How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish
Special flights brought in tonnes of banknotes which disappeared into the war zone
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

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An armed guard poses beside pallets of $100 bills in Baghdad. Almost $12bn in cash was spent by the US-led authority

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Re: Greenwald: Today in Endless War

Postby RocketMan » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:10 am

Once again I get the feeling Greenwald is dancing on that very fine line:

I’m unable to write much today, but I did want briefly to note one of the towering, central contradictions in War on Terror logic: namely, that the only foreign government which likely had any connection to 9/11 is the one which is the least likely to be attacked by the U.S. From The New York Times today:

For more than a decade, questions have lingered about the possible role of the Saudi government in the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, even as the royal kingdom has made itself a crucial counterterrorism partner in the eyes of American diplomats.

Now, in sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, two former senators who were privy to top secret information on the Saudis’ activities say they believe that the Saudi government might have played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.

“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.

His former Senate colleague, Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a Democrat who served on the separate 9/11 Commission, said in a sworn affidavit of his own in the case that “significant questions remain unanswered” about the role of Saudi institutions. “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the September 11th attacks has never been fully pursued,” Mr. Kerrey said.
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