Understanding 9/11: A Television News Archive

[8bitagent]

Yeah, and ten years later you still can't make a cell phone call from a jetliner.

Weird how a few people were able to back in 2001.

Heh...well a lot of '1 in a million miracles' happened simultaneously that day:)

[lucky]

aprapo nothing more than a random memory.... the victorians were seriously considering to close the patent office in the late 19th century as they belived that everything that could be invented had already been done so.
Bang on with the stagnation of time btw

[Searcher08]

Holy crap, that is fantastic! Wow. Bump. Etc.

Some interesting things I noted. Nobody was on cellphones yet as their first thing to reach for and call/text (this was before texting for the most part and even if they were the networks would have been much less robust). Essentially, what I mean is that nobody was filming with their phone cams, nobody was tweeting, nobody was updating their facebook page (none of which existed yet), nobody was even calling one another yet. Cellphones were in and the networks were coming along into what we know of them today, but it wasn't the first inclination for those filmed in this footage to immediately reach for their phones.

But what I find most curious, in a most PKDickian way is that time has seemed to have ceased. 10 years ago people look largely, fashionwise as they do today. No noticeable datedness, as though time really stood still from that day on. It's easy to see datedness within decades before 9/11/2001, but not I don't think, in this decade which has just passed. Hair styles have remained the same, clothing articles don't look like "remember when we wore shit like that?" Etc.

We all defined ourselves by that day and in turn defined one another and ourselves as a global society. Time travel, in this limited way we can do it, is most interesting.

This is a fantastic link and thank you for pointing it out!

I know we've rarely talked, but I feel like we are on a very very similar wavelength. What you just articulated gave me goosebumps as I've said the SAME thing over and over to friends.

The ONLY aesthetic difference between then and now is endless texting/smart phones, and the technicolor nightmarecoat of ipad/smart/cloud intergration. And back then tough guy rape rap rock was popular, now it's jangly indie rock(tho pop pop music hasnt changed at all...switch out spears and aguilara for gaga and perry)
But in 1990 when I was in jr high, they showed us a video shot of the girls volleyball team from 1985 and we all laughed at how dated and "80's" it looked...even tho 1990 was STILL the 80's pretty much.
Look at Taxi Driver, look at Easy Rider, look at Ridgemont high, look at Hackers or Speed. These all look VERY much of their time period(Se7en looks timeless as do a few other films)

But then look at LATE 90's films...The Matrix, Fight Club, Being John Malkovich, Eyes Wide Shut, etc. NOTHING about those films look like they couldnt have been filmed today.
Agent Smith in the Matrix refers to(Im assuming 1999/millennium) time being supplanted by the machine state without people realizing, so that time essentially got stuck in repeat. It's been non time ever since, a foggy dr office vestibule with nothing but dated Highlights and Golf Digest issues to read.

The horror show on Vessey and Church changed much...but in a way, it also got time frozen. And people, even if they cant put their finger on it, dont realize how much has changed and stayed the same.
Its why even most lefties dare not question 9/11, as a spell has been woven over so much of America that even the Bush years couldnt wake people up from. And just as we all predicted in 2007 and 2008
ALL of the yuppy/college left fell asleep when Obama "won" and then the fake controlled "waking up" of white angry conservative America was rattled in a sort of coopted steamvalve.

It's true, I do not believe in a lot of the 9/11 truth theories or the notion that "The US government/neocons carried out 9/11"...I feel this is as empty an explanation as the official left/right narrative.
I've come to view 9/11 as a much more complex, Jungian sort of prism whose explanation is a lot more vexing and sinister. But I do consider myself a 'truther' and fully am with the view that "incompetence", "blowback" and the leftgatekeeping crap has been a poison pill. But Ive also grown to find the stuff 82_28 talks about, or stories of that missing Indian woman or the identity of the Falling Man just as interesting as truther theories. 9/11 could be some CIA/Mossad/Saudi/ISI/Vatican/Masonic conspiracy, I've long stopped caring.

All I know is 1) Jihadism is a controlled proxy tool of hidden black networks and corporate interests, no need to "falsely blame" groups when you got willing brainwashed manchurian college kids
willing to stand where they're told

2) 9/11 has a lot deeper implications and origins than "pax americana/oil/pentagon spookery"

Brilliant thread.

Something stopped, or perhaps 'changed direction' from those times.That moment when the metaphorical light of the tranquil Shire begins fading and dark forces become always visible, however subtle or distant.

For me the change in direction was complete by the time of the Iraq invasion.

There was some thing about marching with a couple of million Brits who would normally "never do this sort of thing" - only to be ignored by Tony B.liar and to then tolerate that - that solidified this change.

There is something about the lack of safety changing from something external into something which was... struggling for words here - "existentially internalised and omnipresent". A personal example:

Many people who grew up in Belfast in the 1970s were left with a 'hair trigger' response to loud sounds - even now, someone dropping a pint glass on floor triggers a reaction of 'b o m b !' - yet post early 21stC is different. The world was always something to be 'fitted in to' - like a choir whose song in all its dissonce and glory I still wanted to contribute my small life vocals. I have become like a bird that doesnt want to add its song anymore.

I was talking to a mate about IT. He said the major change a major change he noted was the attitude to new ideas - people have become extremely risk averse. All senior recruitment is now requiring someone with immediate exact experience - post 3-months experience seems to be seen by recruiters as infecting an exec with a neuro condition that makes them totally amnesic, makes them loose all skills.

The name of the game is safety, risk reduction, variety supression, conformity.

Even something like Apple presents innovation now presents innovation in a totally non-threatening way. In the 1980s, Macintosh was seen as a total fuck you to IBM and centralised power and authority and corporate monoculture. Contrast that with the inherently 'non threatening' nature of Apple now. Contrast the 1990s RTFM "Read The Fucking Manual" with the Apple Shop expert showing you... how to switch it on a product.

Innovation and new ideas are now directed to "ease of fitting in", not revolution.

Many people dived into the Web in the early 21stC- the explosion of online fora, then social networking served to absorb massive amounts of complexity and variety reducing the creativity that previously was expressed in diverse fashions and music.

However, there is a scary trend here - if we take the vast amount of complexity in the system which turned from externally focused into 'virtually' focused - even given the vast effect of Facebook, it seems to me there is a HUGE amount of complexity which is missing. Social networking systems are only touching the tip of the tip of the iceberg of what they COULD be doing. It is like there is a 'DARK MATTER' of complexity which has vanished?

I propose that where it has vanished to is covered in WR and Bruce's post about the rise of beat of the "Algo Rhythm", the markets which vanish for reasins that are utterly unknown and NEVER WILL BE!.

A vast system of mathematics based intelligence, interacting in iatrogenic ways - while humans tweet and stare at cute ultra HD icons, unaware that by default they are giving away creative thought and being used systemically, a race outsourcing their ability to think differently to a 'few', driven by a technological system that seeks it's own growth over everthing else, existing in a natural system which is breaking down, in a spiritual system which was full of comforting certainties turning into uncomfortable facts.

[8bitagent]

Brilliant thread.

Something stopped, or perhaps 'changed direction' from those times.That moment when the metaphorical light of the tranquil Shire begins fading and dark forces become always visible, however subtle or distant.

For me the change in direction was complete by the time of the Iraq invasion.

There was some thing about marching with a couple of million Brits who would normally "never do this sort of thing" - only to be ignored by Tony B.liar and to then tolerate that - that solidified this change.

There is something about the lack of safety changing from something external into something which was... struggling for words here - "existentially internalised and omnipresent". A personal example:

Many people who grew up in Belfast in the 1970s were left with a 'hair trigger' response to loud sounds - even now, someone dropping a pint glass on floor triggers a reaction of 'b o m b !' - yet post early 21stC is different. The world was always something to be 'fitted in to' - like a choir whose song in all its dissonce and glory I still wanted to contribute my small life vocals. I have become like a bird that doesnt want to add its song anymore.

I was talking to a mate about IT. He said the major change a major change he noted was the attitude to new ideas - people have become extremely risk averse. All senior recruitment is now requiring someone with immediate exact experience - post 3-months experience seems to be seen by recruiters as infecting an exec with a neuro condition that makes them totally amnesic, makes them loose all skills.

The name of the game is safety, risk reduction, variety supression, conformity.

Even something like Apple presents innovation now presents innovation in a totally non-threatening way. In the 1980s, Macintosh was seen as a total fuck you to IBM and centralised power and authority and corporate monoculture. Contrast that with the inherently 'non threatening' nature of Apple now. Contrast the 1990s RTFM "Read The Fucking Manual" with the Apple Shop expert showing you... how to switch it on a product.

Innovation and new ideas are now directed to "ease of fitting in", not revolution.

Many people dived into the Web in the early 21stC- the explosion of online fora, then social networking served to absorb massive amounts of complexity and variety reducing the creativity that previously was expressed in diverse fashions and music.

However, there is a scary trend here - if we take the vast amount of complexity in the system which turned from externally focused into 'virtually' focused - even given the vast effect of Facebook, it seems to me there is a HUGE amount of complexity which is missing. Social networking systems are only touching the tip of the tip of the iceberg of what they COULD be doing. It is like there is a 'DARK MATTER' of complexity which has vanished?

I propose that where it has vanished to is covered in WR and Bruce's post about the rise of beat of the "Algo Rhythm", the markets which vanish for reasins that are utterly unknown and NEVER WILL BE!.

A vast system of mathematics based intelligence, interacting in iatrogenic ways - while humans tweet and stare at cute ultra HD icons, unaware that by default they are giving away creative thought and being used systemically, a race outsourcing their ability to think differently to a 'few', driven by a technological system that seeks it's own growth over everthing else, existing in a natural system which is breaking down, in a spiritual system which was full of comforting certainties turning into uncomfortable facts.

Yes, a thousand times over. For all the "technology progress", (least on the surface) it seems more of a giant de-evolution. Half of America seems dumbed down into endless texts/tweets and annoying cat videos on youtube. Studies have shown MIT students brain activity is fragmented when they think they are "multitasking" with laptops/texting/trying to listen to the professor. Where IS the great innovation at the turn of this new century as opposed to the last go around? Ok, for every CERN(and does that even work?) there's the Snuggie and Twitter. I have seen so many otherwise intelligent people I've known online and off de-volve into a series of broken "LOL" haikus to mark an increasingly mundane existence...maybe it's also the economy driving people away from imagination, passions and dreams.
That's why I love that Non Time thread, or what I call social entropy.

We have all seen the classic Twilight Zone series...no better description than to describe 9/11 and every day after than thinking it was an unaired Twilight Zone episode. I can imagine a stoned college kid in the late 90's thinking he saw really late at night a twilight zone episode where a major event hits New York, making time stop but noone seems to notice even as they become increasingly melancholy and vacant. I used to have EPIC talks with people about UFOs, coverups, and all this crazy "RI" type stuff in college around the millennium. After 9/11 people just didnt seem to want to go there...and while the Bush era brought out activists of a leftist stripe, it seemed all too narrowed on a few focal points. It didnt feel like that 1999/2000 era of anti WTO protests. I've speculated as to whether any sort of advanced
AI software was involved in any way with aspects of 9/11.

"Collapse" was the theme of the millennium...just not in the "Y2K" way people imagined(if anything Y2K was sept 11 2001, or the Coptic Egyptian and Ethiopian new year)
The collapse of the dot coms by 2001, the taliban destruction of the Twin Bamayan Buddhist statues, etc. Collapse I'd say of ingenuity...how MUCH technology and brainpower in regards to invention
was focused on military application in the last decade?

Btw, what did you sense in the wake of 7/7? As far as media, public sentiment, government, etc?

[redsock]

On June 12, 2005, I began a thread ta DU entitled "Which Flight 77 Hijacker is 'Mosear Caned'?"

On the morning of September 14, 2001, at about 10:11 am according to this CNN transcript, the official list of 18 hijackers was released.

Aired September 14, 2001 - 10:11 ET

LEON HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Folks, we are going to break into this press conference by the mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani, because we have some breaking news. Leon Harris here at the CNN Center in Atlanta, but we're going now to Washington D.C., where our Kelli Arena is standing by. She has got some breaking news on the identities of those 18 hijackers. Kelli, take it away.

KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Leon, we did manage -- CNN managed to grab a list of the names of the 18 suspected hijackers that is supposed to be officially released by justice sometime later today. I will do my best to read, to read the names, some are a bit unfamiliar. On American flight 11, the first name Walid Al Shehhi (ph), the second, Wellal Sheyi (ph), also known as Wahidal Sheyi. ... third name, Mohammed Atta (ph). ... Abdul Ala Mari (ph) and Setam Segani (ph), Marwanal Shehhi on the list as well. They are looking an awful lot alike here, Leon. Marwan Al Shehhi, a UAE passport. Fayez Ahmed, Mahad Al Shari (ph), Hanza Al-Gari (ph), Amdad Al Dandi (ph). Let me stop here for a moment. We have a few more names to read. The way this is working out, there were five hijackers on two planes, four hijackers on two others. We are told by law enforcement sources that most of these names in some way connect in some way to indirectly or directly to Osama bin Laden.

Continuing on, united Airlines flight number 93, Almad Alhanawi (ph), Almed Alnami (ph), Ziad Girad (ph) and Sayd Algamdi (ph). American Airlines flight number 77. Cammid Al-Madar, and Mosear Caned (ph), Majar Mokhed (ph), Nawar Al Hazni (ph) and Salem Al Hazni (ph). ... Again, this list not officially released yet by the Justice Department. We obtained this list of name through sources -- Leon.

**************

Then (same day, a few hours later I believe) the FBI released a list of 19 hijackers, including:

American Airlines #77
1) Khalid Al-Midhar
2) Majed Moqed
3) Nawaq Alhamzi
4) Salem Alhamzi
5) Hani Hanjour - Believed to be a pilot.

The phoentic spellings in the CNN transcript are a bit rough -- but they do match what was later released -- except "Mosear Caned" does not sound anything like "Hani Hanjour"!!

Why was this "Caned" guy replaced by Hanjour?

When I went to check out the CNN clip from 10:11 AM on September 14, 2001 -- click here and it is the middle video in the second row -- the CNN reporter never mentions "Caned". She skips right over it and, in fact, names only 4 men while the transcript clearly lists 5. Or maybe it's a damn good edit???

That is something else I wonder about. Are these archives complete or have there been little edits here and there? Unless someone has VHS tapes that they taped that morning and can compare, we may never know.

[8bitagent]

That is quite curious. While there was a lot of anomalous "side hijackers" reported(Bahkari bros, the mystery of flight 23, etc) generally by late 2001 it was reduced to the "19"...
(tho as Hopsicker and many others have uncovered a lot of supporting role characters)

While there's a zillion different English spelling interpretations of Arabic names(google "Qaddafi/Ghadafy/etc or "real name of 9/11 paymaster") that is a strange anomaly you pointed out.

Btw anyone seen the Archive.org documentary on 9/11 called "Between The Lines"? There's a big part covering the mystery of Flight 23 toward the end

[82_28]

Many people who grew up in Belfast in the 1970s were left with a 'hair trigger' response to loud sounds - even now, someone dropping a pint glass on floor triggers a reaction of 'b o m b !' - yet post early 21stC is different. The world was always something to be 'fitted in to' - like a choir whose song in all its dissonce and glory I still wanted to contribute my small life vocals. I have become like a bird that doesnt want to add its song anymore.

And though this is a bit off topic, but this is PRECISELY the reason I was opposed to the war and marched in every damn huge confluence of literally 100 million plus worldwide that did so. Anymore, I'm not even "opposed" to the "wars" insofar as stopping them, it's just the world we now live in, I am opposed to the systematic use of our emotions in order for them to get what they want. But it was the sheer act of cruelty, the not knowing, especially as a baby or child, the impressions of those poor people that did not know what was going on. I cried and cried for days for the poor children of Baghdad and elsewhere. In fact, it brings tears out of me now! Ugh. But the damage done to those little, pure, beautiful minds just now learning to adapt with bombs, terror, panic, everywhere. The utmost and most needless act of cruelty done upon innocents! That's how empire has always done it.

I made a brief call to a friend in Japan after the quake and tsunami and nuclear meltdown (expensive call so therefore brief) and I wound up apologizing for and getting angry about how "we" dropped da bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and obliterated so many good lives. She told me (in broken English, so I paraphrase), "as a Japanese person, we are over it. We know many good Americans. We do not blame you."

We need grace. True grace. The Japanese, for instance, seem to be a people of true grace.

Alright, back to topic.

[Nordic]

Talk about "risk averse":

"They told me that somebody had called and said they felt threatened by my painting," Schaefer said.



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 5501.story

An artist's incendiary painting is his bank statement

Alex Schaefer's depiction of a Chase branch going up in flames drew the attention of L.A. police, who asked if he was a terrorist. He said the work was a metaphor for the havoc banking practices have caused the economy.


By Bob Pool, Los Angeles Times
August 28, 2011

Standing before an easel on a Van Nuys sidewalk, Alex Schaefer dabbed paint onto a canvas.

"There you have it," he said. "Inflammatory art."

The 22-by-28-inch en plein air oil painting is certainly hot enough to inflame Los Angeles police.

Twice they've come to investigate why the 41-year-old Eagle Rock artist is painting an image of a bank building going up in flames.

Schaefer had barely added the orange-and-yellow depiction of fire shooting from the roof of a Chase Bank branch when police rolled up to the corner of Van Nuys Boulevard and Sylvan Street on July 30.

"They told me that somebody had called and said they felt threatened by my painting," Schaefer said.

"They said they had to find out my intention. They asked if I was a terrorist and was I going to follow through and do what I was painting."

No, Schaefer said. He explained that the artwork was intended to be a visual metaphor for the havoc that banking practices have caused to the economy.

A terrorist certainly would not spend hours on a public sidewalk creating an oil painting of his intended target, he told the officers.

The police took down his name, address and telephone number on a form — Schaefer declined to provide his Social Security number — and departed.

"They were friendly. They weren't intimidating," he said. "I figured that when they left, they probably decided the episode was stupid and they'd just wad up the form and throw it away."

Wrong. On Tuesday, two more officers showed up at Schaefer's home. This time they were plainclothes detectives.

"One of them asked me, 'Do you hate banks? Do you plan to do that to the bank?' " Schaefer again explained what his painting symbolizes.

He is actually doing a series of paintings depicting banks ablaze, he said. His first one two months ago featured a Burbank Chase branch, and he has a Bank of America painting in progress, he said. He will feature other large banks' branches as well; he does his own banking at a small community bank, Schaefer said.

"The flames symbolize bringing the system down," he said. "Some might say that the banks are the terrorists."

Although police elsewhere have occasionally challenged photographers taking pictures of things like refineries and governmental buildings in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, questioning an artist slowly creating an oil painting "is a horribly Orwellian act," said Andrew McGregor, a photographer who sometimes displays his work alongside Schaefer's.

A graduate of Pasadena's Art Center College of Design, Schaefer usually paints portraits, cityscapes and lush landscapes. He acknowledges that the bank series has overt political overtones.

The finished paintings will be displayed in a show called "Disaster Capitalism," scheduled for February at Inglewood's Beacon Arts Building, he said.

As Schaefer put the finishing touches on his Van Nuys bank painting, passersby stopped to admire his work.

"I like it. It is social justice," said Travis Stobbe, a Van Nuys apartment building owner.

Albert Acevedo, a salesman from Oxnard, snapped a photo of the painting with his cellphone. "This is great. I'm going in and withdrawing all my money out now," he joked.

Gary Kishner, a spokesman for Chase Bank, said his institution isn't sure what to make of Schaefer's work.

"It's a situation we don't take lightly. Hopefully, this is not what his actions are. It's kind of scary — you don't know what other people are thinking. We have to look out for the safety of our customers and employees," he said.

Schaefer said he has been surprised by the hubbub his burning bank has caused.

"I've only had two experiences with the police in my life, and these were both of them," he said. "I have this feeling I'll get different treatment at airports from now on."

Yup, 9/11 changed everything.