Congress Without Kucinich

[lupercal]

Normally, I'd say I can't see Republicans bothering to go over and mess with a race between two progressive Democrats (though Kaptor is pretty socially conservative and voted for NDAA)... but the 94-4 thing seems pretty bizarrely improbable.

Banksters et al. have been after his scalp since he was mayor of Cleveland and they've found many ways to make him pay for defying them. I'm thinking of several deaths in his immediate family.

"Why is that, ya think?"

Because the puppetmaster George Soros didn't want it to be, is that what you're getting at, Lupercal?

I think it was pretty clear what I'm getting at when I said "intel apparatus." If you want me to spell it out, I mean US-UK mil-intel alphabet agencies. If Soros has any connection to them I don't imagine it's an indispensable or essential one.

Because OWS's focus is/was on economics. I wish that it were more organized and could have come up with demands and action strategies that would include exposing electronic voting fraud, and the time is still now to do that, but that doesn't mean... whatever you're implying.

I concede that OWS is a contentious issue, even in my own family, and I feel like a rat for exposing it, but it's a patently obvious fraud and has been since before they even rolled it out, as there were a couple of earlier attempts from the same crowd, also laughably obvious intel ops, that fizzled. One was called "Operation Empire State Rebellion":

http://ampedstatus.org/acts-of-resistan ... c-tyranny/

Anyway, it's definitely sad that we're down a Dennis Kucinich. Marcy Kaptor is no Kucinich.

Agree with you there.

[wordspeak2]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get from the link you gave, which I clicked on, but- ?

Still, what are you saying? That the original call for Occupy Wall St. was an intelligence thing? First of all, why? I read the part of the OWS thread where this came up, and, you know, I really dislike Adbusters magazine, and always thought Adbusters had some real negative shit going on, but someone would have to explain how Occupy Wall St. has been a distraction from anything. Seems like the first mass movement in a long time to draw mass attention to capitalist greed, and, as any breathing person can see, it took on a life of its own, drawing in millions of ordinary people. I wish it were less anarchic, and I'm free to go to the GA and push that line, but I'm missing any motive to intel operatives to have had a role in starting it, and, as we all can see, it took on a grassroots life of its own. So, ?
I think the ultra-anarchic structure and the window-breaking are characteristics of protest movements that the intelligence apparatus has pushed for decades, leaving the movement rather directionless- so in a sense I agree with you- but I think the overall premise is right on-point.

[lupercal]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get from the link you gave, which I clicked on, but- ?

It's a link to a call to action for an OWS forerunner last June 14. I'm not sure what the result was as I don't live in NY and decided it was an intel op anyway so didn't follow up.

Still, what are you saying? That the original call for Occupy Wall St. was an intelligence thing?

Yes, that is my strong suspicion, which I hasten to add is just that, as it's difficult to be 100% metaphysically certain of anything intel-related, but of this I am 100% convinced, personally speaking.

First of all, why? I read the part of the OWS thread where this came up, and, you know, I really dislike Adbusters magazine, and always thought Adbusters had some real negative shit going on, but someone would have to explain how Occupy Wall St. has been a distraction from anything. Seems like the first mass movement in a long time to draw mass attention to capitalist greed, and, as any breathing person can see, it took on a life of its own, drawing in millions of ordinary people. I wish it were less anarchic, and I'm free to go to the GA and push that line, but I'm missing any motive to intel operatives to have had a role in starting it, and, as we all can see, it took on a grassroots life of its own. So, ?

Also difficult to answer with 100% certainty so again speaking personally it's a social control mechanism, i.e. a way of channeling political action into carefully controlled "free speech zones" and away from anything that presents a threat to operations of the MIC, for example election reform or participation in electoral politics, which as you probably know is anathema to the "business community," i.e. banksters and war profiteers, thus Chomsky, Cockburn, and the rest of the faux liberal pundits whose constant refrain is "they're all corrupt, voting doesn't matter, both parties are identical anyway so don't bother," etc., and thus the timing of OWS to distract from the Nov. 2011 elections which, in fact, had record low voter turnouts, meaning the dependably conservative oldsters who usually decide off-year elections did their thang without interference.

I think the ultra-anarchic structure and the window-breaking are characteristics of protest movements that the intelligence apparatus has pushed for decades, leaving the movement rather directionless- so in a sense I agree with you- but I think the overall premise is right on-point.

Yes, from what I can tell that's their way of a) turning off the spigot and b) giving all those hyper-militarized constabularies an opportunity to break some of the high-tech military equipment they've dumped on them.

[Simulist]

... it's difficult to be 100% metaphysically certain ...

"Metaphysically certain"? What a very odd phrase.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

Dennis Kucinich and “wackiness” By Glenn Greenwald

Establishment Democrats have long viewed Dennis Kucinich with a mixture of scorn, mockery and condescension. True to form, the establishment liberal journal American Prospect gave Kucinich a little kick on the way out, comparing his political views to the 1960s musical “Hair” (the Ohio loser talked about “Harmony and understanding”!), deriding him as “a favorite among lefty college kids and Birkenstock-wearers around the country,” and pronouncing him “among the wackiest members of Congress.” Yes, I said The American Prospect, not The Weekly Standard.

[jingofever]

"Metaphysically certain"? What a very odd phrase.

You need to watch more McLaughlin Group.

A phrase he often begins questions to the panelists with, "On a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 representing zero possibility and 10 representing complete metaphysical certitude,...?"

[eyeno]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get from the link you gave, which I clicked on, but- ?

Still, what are you saying? That the original call for Occupy Wall St. was an intelligence thing? First of all, why? I read the part of the OWS thread where this came up, and, you know, I really dislike Adbusters magazine, and always thought Adbusters had some real negative shit going on, but someone would have to explain how Occupy Wall St. has been a distraction from anything. Seems like the first mass movement in a long time to draw mass attention to capitalist greed, and, as any breathing person can see, it took on a life of its own, drawing in millions of ordinary people. I wish it were less anarchic, and I'm free to go to the GA and push that line, but I'm missing any motive to intel operatives to have had a role in starting it, and, as we all can see, it took on a grassroots life of its own. So, ?
I think the ultra-anarchic structure and the window-breaking are characteristics of protest movements that the intelligence apparatus has pushed for decades, leaving the movement rather directionless- so in a sense I agree with you- but I think the overall premise is right on-point.

I have a copy of Sun Tzu Art Of War on my book shelf. I get it out and read passages from it every now and then for the pure fascination for what it reveals.

I am not saying that OWS is a contrived social push by the alphabet agencies. I am not saying that the participants in OWS are not sincere because they are sincere.

I am saying this...when it becomes inevitable, due to economic factors, that a society is collapsing, it is sometimes better for the alphabets to 'push it' (a movement) into existence. In this way the alphabets can get a bearing on the people that might be instrumental in resistance. In this way the resisters can be identified. In this way the resistance can be dismantled. China did a similar thing many years ago named Let Every Flower Bloom. (if memory serves me correctly)

If a garden is forced to bloom early the "weeds" can be rendered from the garden before they spread into an uncontrollable force. Before they organize into something that cannot be controlled. Flushing the foxes from the brush so to speak. Arab Spring is in full bloom.

Arab "Spring" a very interesting term. No harvest is made without a "Spring" season. Get my drift?

Is this OWS? I don't know. Does it fit a certain model? Yes it could. Do the instigators of OWS have a checkered past? Yes they do. Is this a small localized garden these days? No it is not. This is a global garden.

[eyeno]

Excerpt from Sun Tzu:

"My eldest brother sees the spirit of sickness and removes it before it takes shape, so his name does not get out of the house. My eldest brother cures sickness when it is still extremely minute, so his name does not get out of the neighborhood. As for me, I puncture veins, prescribe potions, and massage skin, so from time to time my name gets out and is heard among the Lords."

[Simulist]

"Metaphysically certain"? What a very odd phrase.

You need to watch more McLaughlin Group.

A phrase he often begins questions to the panelists with, "On a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 representing zero possibility and 10 representing complete metaphysical certitude,...?"

Thanks, Jingo.

Although I clearly don't remember the phrase now, I actually used to watch the McLaughlin Group rather frequently back in the 1990s (I wonder if that phrase was operative back then), until I realized just what a cacophonous collection of calcified claptrap the McLaughlin Group contributors actually create.

(And sustain.)

[eyeno]

Sun Tzu,

Stir opponents up, making them respond to you; then you can observe their forms of behavior and whether they are orderly or confused. The military wizard Wu Qi devised this strategy for assessing generals. Have brave young men lead lead crack troops and then run away after skirmishing, without being punished for running away. Then observe the enemy's behavior, if there is orderly rule and the enemy does not give chase to the fleeing troops and does not try to take advantage to grab what can, this means the general has a strategy. On the other hand if the enemy behaves like a mob and giving chase in total confusion, giving chase and trying to greedily plunder, you can be sure that the directives of the general are not carried out, so you can attack them without hesitation.

Induce them to adopt specific formations, in order to know the ground of life and death.

jackriddler wisely said in another thread, "live and let die."...words to the wise, as jackriddler said...

[Searcher08]

Dennis Kucinich and “wackiness” By Glenn Greenwald

Establishment Democrats have long viewed Dennis Kucinich with a mixture of scorn, mockery and condescension. True to form, the establishment liberal journal American Prospect gave Kucinich a little kick on the way out, comparing his political views to the 1960s musical “Hair” (the Ohio loser talked about “Harmony and understanding”!), deriding him as “a favorite among lefty college kids and Birkenstock-wearers around the country,” and pronouncing him “among the wackiest members of Congress.” Yes, I said The American Prospect, not The Weekly Standard.

The contrast between the clarity and focus of Greenwald on Kucinich's integrity and drivel of The American Prospect's patronising, self-righteous faux-liberal denialism was almost unbearable at times.

[Nordic]

Thanks, eyeno, that's good stuff. And you can bet that's a big part of what they're up to. Also that's part of Rush's nonsense is, too. Hopefully the reaction is far more than they bargained for this time.

[eyeno]

Thanks, eyeno, that's good stuff. And you can bet that's a big part of what they're up to. Also that's part of Rush's nonsense is, too. Hopefully the reaction is far more than they bargained for this time.

Possibly but I doubt it.


Zbigniew Brzezinski: "It is easier to kill a million people than to control a million people."

During World War 2 something like 147 million Russians got snuffed. (don't quote me on that number) Back then the technology was a gun and a bullet. Sometimes they lined them up in 2's and tried to shoot through two people at a time to save bullets.

These days, technology is a satellite, a laser painter, microwaves, and some serious pain. If people truly understood the seriousness of what is happening they would fall to their knees in fear.

[Nordic]

If people truly understood the seriousness of what is happening they would fall to their knees in fear.

Or they might actually fight back before it's to late.

[lupercal]

^ fight back against who, how, led by whom? Kucinich, for instance? The whole point of psyops is to render any such fight impossible, except of course on the silver screen, and it's clearly working.

"Metaphysically certain"? What a very odd phrase.

don't get hung up on it Sim. C'est une blague.